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WHO'S more broken? #2

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Cryptic C62 said:
Mango plays several characters very well, and he probably has the best Mario out there. However, HBox may have a better puff, Dr. PeePee has a better falco, and several people have better Falcons.

Isai is consistently excellent with all 12 characters in SSB64. With the possible exceptions of Falcon and Yoshi, he is probably the single best player with each character.
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Mango has the best falco, jiggs and falcon. With that being said, I think isai is more broken in 64
 
The Star King

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Kanelol said:
I actually played 64 for the first time in literally 10 years last week

it's mad fun

if i went to a tourney and there was a 64 side event, i'd get on that **** in a second

i must implore the melee community, don't be to 64 what brawl is to us

it physically pains me to see quotes like this, because i remember how it made me feel when brawl***s came in here saying the exact same ****
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Thank you for this post. I played Smash 64 for the first time in my LIFE in January of 2009. I didn't even expect to like it that much, but I fell in love with it. I'm just saying, you don't need to have grown up with it or something like that to love the game.

And that's a good point about what Brawl players used to say. Remember when Brawl first came out, and Melee tourneys were nearly non-existent for a little while, and Brawl players said the same things about Melee that underdogs22 said to me about 64? Even after all that talk, Melee has remained strong.

If Melee players had given up hope when Brawl players said that Melee is "tiny and shrinking", and is certainly going to end up dying, would Melee have survived? Just like Melee players didn't give up hope because of Brawl players, I'm not going to give up hope on Smash 64 because of people like underdogs22.

P.S. There's going to be Smash64 at Genesis 2. Also, JB usually has Smash 64 side events at his tournaments. Unfortunately, both of these are West Coast.
 
Doc King

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Isai in SSB because even though Mango is good in Melee, people have a chance against him (like M2K, Armada, and Hungrybox), but when it's isai, nobody can beat him or even close to beating him.
 
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Isai can 5 stock the next best player with a bottom tier character on a terrible stage against his opponent's main.

Mango can ****, but cannot pick up Kirby and 4 stock Mew2king.

Therefore, Isai.
 
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I'm pretty limited personally in my knowledge of both Smash 64 and Melee, but from what I've noticed of watching Isai and watching Mango is that Mango seems like he can mindgame harder/play just smart in general, catch habits intelligently, an mix it up very well, whereas Isai seems, to me, anyways (anyone who knows the games better can correct me) to have simply mastered the technical parts of the game (spacing, combos, etc).

Like when I watch Isai play 64, it could just be from ignorance and lack of knowledge about the game, but to me it never seems like he's making intense reads, it seems more like he's just covering options perfectly, and comboing like perfectly. Whereas when I watch Mango, he seems like he's just in his opponents head, and gets hard reads more often.

Isai definitely wins more, though, lol.

Although it's more likely than not that I don't know either game well at all and I'm just stupid haha
 
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theunabletable said:
Like when I watch Isai play 64, it could just be from ignorance and lack of knowledge about the game, but to me it never seems like he's making intense reads, it seems more like he's just covering options perfectly, and comboing like perfectly. Whereas when I watch Mango, he seems like he's just in his opponents head, and gets hard reads more often.
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You were right that it only seems that way because of lack of knowledge, because Isai definitely can read pretty much anybody else like a book. You're right, he DOES cover his options and combo near-perfectly, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the reads, too.
 
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Anth0ny in this post is probably the most correct anyone is in any conversation.
 
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You were right that it only seems that way because of lack of knowledge, because Isai definitely can read pretty much anybody else like a book. You're right, he DOES cover his options and combo near-perfectly, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the reads, too.
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I didn't mean that Isai doesn't read people, just that it doesn't seem like it's as much as Mango does. But that could just be because I'm ignorant of the game, and Isai's mastery of the technical aspects and covering options overshadows his reading ability in comparison to Mango's.

You seem more knowledgeable so you're probably more right than I am lol
 
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You do have to consider that the sb64 scene is a lot smaller which makes a difference in terms of imbaness.
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I'm going to say nothing and remain neutral to this because the game mechanics of each are so different that I think it gives in-accurate and unfair judgment.
 
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Ha, I thought this was a whole new topic, but when I saw everyone voting for Isai I had a doubt.

Personnally, I love both these players' edgeguards, but I must vote for M2K, and M2K's Sheik to be precise. It's elegant, whereas Armada's edgeguards are often butt hits. Very beatiful butt hits, but butt hits nonetheless.
 
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I thought this was a whole new topic and thought everyone was just trolling the **** out of you.

Uhhhhhhhhh, they are both pretty good. I think m2k is better at gimping people, but I feel like I see Armada more chill at the edge and edge guard more consistently ( not including his ****** of space animals/gimping ). I have a feeling this is going to mesh with gimping, which I am not considering the same thing, but a lot of people might. I also feel the first thing we are going to think of is how easily they both **** the **** out of fox/falco fire. Maybe I am a bit biased towards Armadabut he is, as described by Wife, "Master of the ledge guard." ( given in said matches were Wife mentions that, he has a hard time edge guarding m2k. )


Isai?
 
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how exciting it is, from my understanding, is irrelevant to which is 'more broken', or better.


Also

Really? I mean given watching booty bumps and drop down nairs with peach aren't exciting, but sheik edge guards are THAT pretty to look at.



edit - 1,000th post. Go me.
 
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wouldn it have been easier to just make a new thread??? but yea id have to say m2ks cause that gimp game is too nice amd too clutch shiz vs m2k from rom anyone? i have yet to play either of them sadly but by watching them i feel that id have less a chance of making it back if m2k is edgeguarding me than if armada was. that could just because of the nature of the characters iono. but this is a good question.
 
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I'm going to give it to Armada. M2k has that flash to his edgeguard but Armada is just soooo consistant. Against M2k, you either die or make it back. Vs Armada, EVEN IF you make it back, you'll have a ton more damage by then.
 
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