What's stopping Sonic from getting more characters?

[RetrogamerMax]

I'm still miffed that Shadow wasn't added in as an Echo Fighter and it's been two years.

Well he's Assist Trophy so that's probably why. He could get promoted though as a full unique character through DLC I think.

 

[Quillion]

I'm sure they'll break the "Assist Trophies can't be DLC" pattern someday. But maybe not during Ultimate.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I'm sure they'll break the "Assist Trophies can't be DLC" pattern someday. But maybe not during Ultimate.

Since they already broke the Spirit barrier, I'm expecting for them to break the Assist Trophy barrier as well since most of the Assist Trophies have playable character like expressions when they're hit or grabbed. Plus certain Assist Trophies are turned off in curtain stages so why is that suddenly a thing in Ultimate when it wasn't in Brawl or Smash 4? Probably because Sakurai and the team had the thought of promoting at least one Assist Trophy. But how can the same character be a Assist Trophy and a playable character you may ask? Well, they can just turn their Assist Trophy off when someone or a CPU is playing as them. It's not far fetched as Robin still has Chrom in his Final Smash and he's playable now. It's possible for a character to be both a Assist Trophy/cameo and a playable character.

 

[StrangeKitten]

Could also just delete the Assist Trophy from the game. I doubt anyone's gonna cry about the Shadow trophy being removed if it means he can be playable instead

 

[Lenidem]

Could also just delete the Assist Trophy from the game. I doubt anyone's gonna cry about the Shadow trophy being removed if it means he can be playable instead

Why delete it when you can just deactivate it when Shadow is being played?

 

[StrangeKitten]

Why delete it when you can just deactivate it when Shadow is being played?

That's most likely what they would do. I was just providing an alternative if that doesn't work out

 

[Lit]

Espio would be a great addition to the series ngl

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Making the Assist Trophy Shadow's spine lines yellow and calling it a Shadow Android would be the best situation. Shadow would get to be playable, the Assist Trophy would get to stay, and there's no jarring "Shadow's both a playable character AND an Assist Trophy!" nonsense.

 

[UserKev]

I really wish Big The Cat had the criteria to have been a random Nintendo character from an obscure Nintendo IP. You can do almost anything with his fishing rod, adding to more Smash heavy weights.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I really wish Big The Cat had the criteria to have been a random Nintendo character from an obscure Nintendo IP. You can do almost anything with his fishing rod, adding to more Smash heavy weights.

At least he still would be easier to include than Waluigi, since he's about as popular as him; the main difference is that he actually had a few major roles in mainline games.

 

[Janx_uwu]

My own two cents on Shadow's AT, I think they could easily leave it as it is. A Bomberman Mii Fighter doesn't prevent the AT from coming out. Though I guess they could just say it's an android-makes sense, since Shadow Androids have less polygons than the real guy, and Assist Trophies have less polygons than fighters.

I really wish Big The Cat had the criteria to have been a random Nintendo character from an obscure Nintendo IP. You can do almost anything with his fishing rod, adding to more Smash heavy weights.

I unironically love Big and would love to see him in Smash. He's a great contrast to the main characters-adventuring heroes, and then there's just this everyday middle-aged cat that likes to fish.

 

[Otoad64]

Since they already broke the Spirit barrier, I'm expecting for them to break the Assist Trophy barrier as well since most of the Assist Trophies have playable character like expressions when they're hit or grabbed. Plus certain Assist Trophies are turned off in curtain stages so why is that suddenly a thing in Ultimate when it wasn't in Brawl or Smash 4? Probably because Sakurai and the team had the thought of promoting at least one Assist Trophy. But how can the same character be a Assist Trophy and a playable character you may ask? Well, they can just turn their Assist Trophy off when someone or a CPU is playing as them. It's not far fetched as Robin still has Chrom in his Final Smash and he's playable now. It's possible for a character to be both a Assist Trophy/cameo and a playable character.

the reason some assist trophies are turned off in certain stages is because those stages have those characters in other places (knuckles is in the background of green hill for example) which is, if you ask me is evidence that they won't be promoted

 

[RetrogamerMax]

the reason some assist trophies are turned off in certain stages is because those stages have those characters in other places (knuckles is in the background of green hill for example) which is, if you ask me is evidence that they won't be promoted

Yeah but actually, I think it could also be a sign that Assist Trophy promotions could be a thing too. Why is this suddenly a feature in Ultimate when it wasn't in Brawl or Smash 4?

 

[Otoad64]

Yeah but actually, I think it could also be a sign that Assist Trophy promotions could be a thing too. Why is this suddenly a feature in Ultimate when it wasn't in Brawl or Smash 4?

were there any assist trophies that were also stage cameos in those games?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

were there any assist trophies that were also stage cameos in those games?

I think Tingle was. I don't remember about anyone else though.

 

[Otoad64]

I think Tingle was. I don't remember about anyone else though.

no, tingle appears on the great bay stage, which is only in melee and ultimate

 

[RetrogamerMax]

no, tingle appears on the great bay stage, which is only in melee and ultimate

You're right, I forgot. But was Great Bay in the 3DS version? I don't remember.

 

[Otoad64]

You're right, I forgot. But was Great Bay in the 3DS version? I don't remember.

no it wasn't, checked smash wiki (which usually has accurate information)

 

[Wings000]

You're right, I forgot. But was Great Bay in the 3DS version? I don't remember.

Nope, stage didn't come back till Ultimate

 

[Technomage]

But how can the same character be a Assist Trophy and a playable character you may ask? Well, they can just turn their Assist Trophy off when someone or a CPU is playing as them.

Plus, there are characters, like Spring Man, who have clones, like Springtron, that can replace their Assist Trophy if their fighter is being used.

 

[DrCoeloCephalo]

Sonic, Shadow, Knuckles, Amy, and Tails would cover all the bases with Eggman there as well.

We should not rest until Big the Cat is playable.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Sonic, Shadow, Knuckles, Amy, and Tails would cover all the bases with Eggman there as well.

We should not rest until Big the Cat is playable.

And I won't rest until Blaze is playable. Zavok will probably get in no matter what tho, but I wouldn't mind it since we'd get Bowser comparisons.

 

[Quillion]

Sonic, Shadow, Knuckles, Amy, and Tails would cover all the bases with Eggman there as well.

We should not rest until Big the Cat is playable.

That's a bit too much there. Maybe two Smash games later, but I think four Sonic characters would be good.

 

[Oracle Link]

I'm fine with the modern design. I think it lends itself better to the squash-and-stretch animations Sonic has than the classic design would have, though I think classic would still work fine. Would be nice to update his victory theme to not be from 06, though.

I mean Sonic 06 was the death of Sonic because the game was bad No you know at the end when they reset the Timeline this Brought Mephiles into Segas Office (at the begin of the meta era) and he convinced them that if they continue making Sonic Games that try to be more the world will turn on them and send Omega to kill them

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Sonic, Shadow, Knuckles, Amy, and Tails would cover all the bases with Eggman there as well.

We should not rest until Big the Cat is playable.

I think all Sonic really needs in the roster is Sonic, Tails, Dr. Eggman, Knuckles, and Shadow. Everyone else is less of a priority and should take time to get in. Tails, Eggman, Knuckles, and Shadow should all be in by Smash 7 at the earliest.

 

[Oracle Link]

____________________hi Silver from Sonic__________________________Hi Trunks from Dragon Ball
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Janx_Uwu dont kill me pleaaase!

 

[UserKev]

Honestly, Silver and Blaze would be the most pointless characters to add. As harsh it may sound, Chaos, Rouge and E102 are the last Sonic characters you can throw in Smash. Big The Cat at least has that joke factor and Amy is very bottom of the barrel.

 

[Oracle Link]

Honestly, Silver and Blaze would be the most pointless characters to add. As harsh it may sound, Chaos, Rouge and E102 are the last Sonic characters you can throw in Smash. Big The Cat at least has that joke factor and Amy is very bottom of the barrel.

Amy is not at the bottom i mean think about it even if you like her Elise makes -100% sense to be a fIghter in Smash
her final Smash blowing her attacks getting Captured/Talking!

 

[UserKev]

Amy is not at the bottom i mean think about it even if you like her Elise makes -100% sense to be a fIghter in Smash
her final Smash blowing her attacks getting Captured/Talking!

Amy is bottom of the barrel as in, she's the last Sonic character you can add just off the fact she's been around for a long time. She has no other merits in terms of wants tho. Amy is a more or less random pick.

 

[Oracle Link]

Amy is bottom of the barrel as in, she's the last Sonic character you can add just off the fact she's been around for a long time. She has no other merits in terms of wants tho. Amy is a more or less random pick.

I mean what about Cream?

 

[UserKev]

I mean what about Cream?

Why?

 

[Oracle Link]

Why?

Where is she in relation to Amy?

 

[Janx_uwu]

Honestly, Silver and Blaze would be the most pointless characters to add

I agree with Silver (as much as it hurts me to say it), but Blaze is one of the few Sonic characters that all fans seem to like. So I can't imagine her inclusion would be terribly pointless.

 

[UserKev]

I agree with Silver (as much as it hurts me to say it), but Blaze is one of the few Sonic characters that all fans seem to like. So I can't imagine her inclusion would be terribly pointless.

I don't mean to keep dunking on your favorites, dude. I don't think Tails is necessary. He's an assist at best. I don't really know Blaze, so maybe I'm bias.

 

[Janx_uwu]

I don't mean to keep dunking on your favorites, dude. I don't think Tails is necessary. He's an assist at best. I don't really know Blaze, so maybe I'm bias.

I know. I agree Silver and Blaze should wait in line for a while-but maybe Blaze can have some priority there. I don't see her getting in as a second character, but the third or fourth, sure.

____________________hi Silver from Sonic__________________________Hi Trunks from Dragon Ball
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Janx_Uwu dont kill me pleaaase!

He was directly based off of Trunks anyways so idc.

 

[Otoad64]

honestly rouge is bottom of the barrel if anything, especially because she would probably be a clone of tails or knuckles. Tails though is 100% neccesary imo, he's the most logical addition after eggman

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Amy is bottom of the barrel as in, she's the last Sonic character you can add just off the fact she's been around for a long time. She has no other merits in terms of wants tho. Amy is a more or less random pick.

Amy isn't at the bottom of the barrel, I would say she's right behind the big 5 due to just her iconic status alone being Sonic's gal. But yeah, there would be other Sonic characters that would be more fun to play as than her. But ignoring her would be like ignoring Peach for Mario.

 

[UserKev]

honestly rouge is bottom of the barrel if anything, especially because she would probably be a clone of tails or knuckles. Tails though is 100% neccesary imo, he's the most logical addition after eggman

I said that. Amy is bottom of the barrel, but doesn't single her out. After Amy, you can still sneak in Rouge like Chaos and E102. Chaos, Rouge and E102 are in the extra characters zone.

 

[Otoad64]

I said that. Amy is bottom of the barrel, but doesn't single her out. After Amy, you can still sneak in Rouge like Chaos and E102. Chaos, Rouge and E102 are in the extra characters zone.

oh, I thought bottom of the barrel meant that amy is the last sonic character to add

also silver and blaze make way more sense than chaos, he may as well be a one off!

 

[RetrogamerMax]

honestly rouge is bottom of the barrel if anything, especially because she would probably be a clone of tails or knuckles. Tails though is 100% neccesary imo, he's the most logical addition after eggman

Honestly, I think there are other Sonic characters that would be at the lower part of the barrel than Rouge. She isn't that important or interesting, but she's definitely in the top 15. Also, she definitely wouldn't be a Echo or semi-clone of Tails or Knuckles.