Stevo
Smash Champion
I think Roy is better than DK
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What's next for Low Tiers?
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DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
I'm gonna have to bring back Bowser.
otg
Smash Master
I think DK's bair alone makes him better then Roy
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Bair is basically blessed.
However ...
Uair is unarguably unpairalloled.
However ...
Uair is unarguably unpairalloled.
Stevo
Smash Champion
Actually DK/Roy would be good low tier'd characters to play together.
DK cannot handle spacies pressure (no chance to even turn around to b-air and they are too short to up-b out of shield) and Roy can "Marth" the spacies.
For bad characters, they kinda complement eachother well.
DK cannot handle spacies pressure (no chance to even turn around to b-air and they are too short to up-b out of shield) and Roy can "Marth" the spacies.
For bad characters, they kinda complement eachother well.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
DK handles Fox pressure by not shielding in the first place. He has to resort to bairs for stuffing Fox's approaches + CC -> grabbing nairs + SDI -> grabbing drills.
Falco is a tad bit more work. I don't even know what you do, but I think you need platforms.
Falco is a tad bit more work. I don't even know what you do, but I think you need platforms.
Stevo
Smash Champion
IMO DK being able to handle fox is so like '07
but I havnt been able to perform well with DK since around then LOL so Im biased
people think DK's bair is the answer to all his problems, but it really is not that easy.
but I havnt been able to perform well with DK since around then LOL so Im biased
people think DK's bair is the answer to all his problems, but it really is not that easy.
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Yoshi > Pikachu, jus saying... Pikachu is soooooooo 2010...
2011 is year of the Yoshi.. I'll make it happen.. ^^
(I hope) ><;
2011 is year of the Yoshi.. I'll make it happen.. ^^
(I hope) ><;
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Do you think Sheik vs Yoshi is unwinnable, Vman?
I like ICs vs Sheik.
I like ICs vs Sheik.
That roy video makes me want to play roy, hah. I think I'll stick with mario though. So many fun things to do with him, although accidental wall jumps after my up B on dreamland make me cry. If only I didn't suck, I'd attempt to bring mario to life.
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
^depends on the variables you mean by "unwinnable' NTSC, i'm leaning towards that way...but It's really hard for me to say anything is technically "unwinnable'.... I'd say def easier on PAL on this MU... but I don have enough experience... I didn't do too badly vs kirbykaze (he didn't CG me, what a guy <3) but he's the only major sheik I notably remember playin with Yoshi.. from here...
I played amsah and got tossed around with Yoshi.... I think i could've played better, but he told me he's got yoshi exp etc.... Im sure as I progress I'll find solutions etc... but for now... I don think I know enough about the MU.. even tho if i'd have to make an estimated guess.. I dont exactly like my chances Yoshi vs sheik in NTSC, PAL i'd def say it's winnable.. but NTSC, i just don't know... or can see it at this point in time... Hopefuly i can continue to make it to brackets with Yoshi at internationals.. like Pound, and find more solutions.. etc ^^
I played amsah and got tossed around with Yoshi.... I think i could've played better, but he told me he's got yoshi exp etc.... Im sure as I progress I'll find solutions etc... but for now... I don think I know enough about the MU.. even tho if i'd have to make an estimated guess.. I dont exactly like my chances Yoshi vs sheik in NTSC, PAL i'd def say it's winnable.. but NTSC, i just don't know... or can see it at this point in time... Hopefuly i can continue to make it to brackets with Yoshi at internationals.. like Pound, and find more solutions.. etc ^^
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Yoshi vs Sheik is weird because if you don't include her ability to CG him, the matchup isn't nearly as bothersome.
otg
Smash Master
Really? I feel like I UpB oos all the time vs. spacies.... Maybe it wiffs if they are just standing?
I didn't say it was the answer to all his problems, he would be a good character if that was the case. It is his best move tho, and imo makes him better then Roy/most low tiers.
Stevo
Smash Champion
well I wasn't directly meaning you, I just meant in general people think DK's bair is his answer for everything.
It does make him playable, for sure.
Alright I'll concede that he could be better than Roy, as Roy IS terrible
It does make him playable, for sure.
Alright I'll concede that he could be better than Roy, as Roy IS terrible
otg
Smash Master
That's fine, I wasn't assuming you were addressing me directly, I just had to clarify on my point of view.
DK and Roy are both pretty horrible, let's just concede that everyone below the top tier is bad and if you lose to them, the other player is way better then you.
<3 Axe.
DK and Roy are both pretty horrible, let's just concede that everyone below the top tier is bad and if you lose to them, the other player is way better then you.
<3 Axe.
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Psssh, axe...that' guy's lame...he plays pikachu... he's a loser..Yoshi >> pika
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Roy might be better than DK in like 2 match-ups but overall DK outclasses him.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Na, everything above mid tier are good, the tops are just exceptional. Mid tiers are just ok.
low tiers are bad but not unusable, then there are the last few characters who borderline being unusable.
The reason I say that is because its about player vs player. Low tiers dont just get obliterated(sans sheik for most), they may lose alot, but they dont always just get obliterated just because they are playing vs a high tier, and Im talking about somebody who knows the MU, and in some cases are even the better player. They just have exploitable flaws, it just depends on how well a player can mask the flaws and boost the strengths.
and I agree that DK is a better overall character than Roy. DK sucks, but he isnt really all that bad, I just underestimate his strengths.
low tiers are bad but not unusable, then there are the last few characters who borderline being unusable.
The reason I say that is because its about player vs player. Low tiers dont just get obliterated(sans sheik for most), they may lose alot, but they dont always just get obliterated just because they are playing vs a high tier, and Im talking about somebody who knows the MU, and in some cases are even the better player. They just have exploitable flaws, it just depends on how well a player can mask the flaws and boost the strengths.
and I agree that DK is a better overall character than Roy. DK sucks, but he isnt really all that bad, I just underestimate his strengths.
t3h Icy
Smash Master
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V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
^ wooot
*Vman likes this* n_n; im serious 2011 is year of the Yoshi... im gonna try so hard! ><;
*Vman likes this* n_n; im serious 2011 is year of the Yoshi... im gonna try so hard! ><;
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
2011 is the year of the Low Tier. We got this Vman and Axe!
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
^ haha even better. year of the low tier... let's do it... 
leffen
Smash Champion
pika is mid guys >_>.
But yeah... Im gonna main yoshi from now on. Lets roll *****es
But yeah... Im gonna main yoshi from now on. Lets roll *****es
ItalianStallion
Smash Journeyman
My answer to this question comes in two different forms:
1. Which low tier characters I want to break through.
2. Which low tier characters I think will break through.
Answer 1:
I would love two see certain mid/low tier characters rise while other high tiers fall. I am very biased in this regard as for me, it comes down to my favorites. I would love it if Mewtwo was taken higher. I disagree with Roy being higher than him. Also, I think Luigi has way more potential than he is made out to have. I think Pikachu will also rise up, and someone in the top ten will fall down. Yoshi should also move up at least a little bit. I see Samus falling a little bit. I see Roy falling a little bit. I see Ness rising slightly, as long as someone gets serious with him. I see Ness having more potential than some other characters that are above him. Basically, I see Roy falling the most. Mewtwo and Yoshi and Ness all above Roy. But Roy is still above G&W. I also see Peach and Marth switching places. I see DR. Mario moving down by one. And although I don't see this happening, I would love if Sheik were moved to #26, because I don't like Sheik.
Answer 2
I see Mewtwo moving down and Yoshi moving above him. And I see Pikachu and Samus switching places. Overall, I don't think too much change is coming to the tiers in 2011, but I would love to be proven wrong.
No more Sheik, Samus, or Jigglypuff!
They should be #26, #25, and #24 respectively.
1. Which low tier characters I want to break through.
2. Which low tier characters I think will break through.
Answer 1:
I would love two see certain mid/low tier characters rise while other high tiers fall. I am very biased in this regard as for me, it comes down to my favorites. I would love it if Mewtwo was taken higher. I disagree with Roy being higher than him. Also, I think Luigi has way more potential than he is made out to have. I think Pikachu will also rise up, and someone in the top ten will fall down. Yoshi should also move up at least a little bit. I see Samus falling a little bit. I see Roy falling a little bit. I see Ness rising slightly, as long as someone gets serious with him. I see Ness having more potential than some other characters that are above him. Basically, I see Roy falling the most. Mewtwo and Yoshi and Ness all above Roy. But Roy is still above G&W. I also see Peach and Marth switching places. I see DR. Mario moving down by one. And although I don't see this happening, I would love if Sheik were moved to #26, because I don't like Sheik.
Answer 2
I see Mewtwo moving down and Yoshi moving above him. And I see Pikachu and Samus switching places. Overall, I don't think too much change is coming to the tiers in 2011, but I would love to be proven wrong.
No more Sheik, Samus, or Jigglypuff!
They should be #26, #25, and #24 respectively.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Does Ganon count as a low tier?
AXE 09
Smash Master
Pikachu's only been mid tier for like 2 months lol. I still say he's a low tier.
2011: Year of the low tiers
And sure, Ganon counts lol.
2011: Year of the low tiers
And sure, Ganon counts lol.
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
^Pikachu's mid tier? lol really!?!? why!?!?
/inb4thelookatAxesresults
I know that, but is that the sole reason? just curious
/inb4thelookatAxesresults
I know that, but is that the sole reason? just curious
Divinokage
Smash Legend
There will be upsets!!!
Stratford
Smash Champion
Yes. It's guaranteed.Y Link will raise at least 5 spots on the next tier for sure
Also I've noticed that low tier mains try to convince people that their character is better than everyone thinks, whereas high tier mains try to convince people that their character isn't as good as everyone thinks.
Funny stuff.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Maybe the game is just more balanced than most people give it credit for, and the characters really don't matter as much anymore.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I don't know if you heard, but Vman is retiring from Yoshi.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298966
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298966
Marth307
Smash Journeyman
I 100% agree with this.Just because more people win with some chacters than other people with thier "low tier" characters doesn't make them bad.
A side note,What is Meta-game???
N64
Smash Champion
Low tier mains tend to either grossly overrate or grossly underrate their char.
Having said that, pikachu sucks.
Having said that, pikachu sucks.
Axe is just too good : D
Marth307
Smash Journeyman
I dont think people should rate the character...they should rate the player of the character
Doser
Smash Ace
Can't say we all didn't see this coming. It's a shame though.
t3h Icy
Smash Master
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Props to Cosmo for taking 2nd at SMYM! I can't wait until Cosmo goes to an international. Armada vs Cosmo would be sweet. Amsah vs Cosmo, not so much.
And a Zelda in international bracket would be amazing, since TheLake always gets so close but never quite makes it. ;_; Yoshi did though. <3
And a Zelda in international bracket would be amazing, since TheLake always gets so close but never quite makes it. ;_; Yoshi did though. <3