We need Wavedashing, we must take action to assure it

[BrimconSako]

Good question, but then again I'm kinda new-esque here, but I want to make a comment anyways

I'm a Pikachu player, always have been, always will be.

I can't wavedash with him for the life of me even if I try my hardest.

However, with Samus I can. Personally though. I could care less. I like my Dash-Dancing, my Dash-Cancel into Up Smash

But, Brawl is going to be very very good without Wavedashing, or anything like that. Just be patient everyone. It will come in four months. Just.. Wait.

 

[Zankoku]

Yeah, and the one who said that doesn't know what was the Pi number... and a decimal number, and how X island name is...

Urulok: kirby HASN'T GOT combos in 64: most of them can be DI'ed out. THe only one combo 0 to death go can be DI'ed out is Ness' and that has been saying for those pros you trust so much.

There's only one kind of DI in Smash64, and I doubt you know what it is.

 

[creep]

I've seen a lot of terrible threads on smashboards but this one is probably the worst..

 

[Urulok]

There's only one kind of DI in Smash64, and I doubt you know what it is.

Owned again Yoshi Fan?

Mew2King and Ankoku > Yoshi Fan

 

[KirbySSB]

I'm more glad than sad that wavedash, L-cancelling are out and the gameplay slowed down. Mainly cause I'm not much of a technical player, I can't pull off those crazy fox stuff or whatever most people can lollz. WDing is pretty fun though.

<3 Azen
I agree with you!

 

[Shai Hulud]

This thread has left me speechless.. I can't even think of a proper reply. M2K is making himself seem like quite the selfish whiner.. :/

I am really glad to see the majority of the community doesn't really care about things changing. :D

You and a bunch of scrubs are not "the majority of the community."

You are not even part of the community.

 

[BubbleShield]

Why hasn't this thread been locked yet?

cuz m2k is a pro and gets special treatment, with a little brown-nosing sprinkled on top.

 

[Cactuar]

kirby HASN'T GOT combos in 64: most of them can be DI'ed out. THe only one combo 0 to death go can be DI'ed out is Ness' and that has been saying for those pros you trust so much.

You are incorrect.




The same people who were pros in the melee will likely be the top players in brawl regardless of differences in slight technical abilities. Our mindsets are much more in tune to how people react and how to pressure them to doing what we want. I don't really care about all this WDing and L-cancelling. For me, the primary thing I'm going to work on technically is pure fluidity in movement and the extent to how my characters can be manipulated. Learning characters movesets, how to combo, and how to DI all the new stuff is going to be what is initially important.

 

[yoshi_fan]

There's only one kind of DI in Smash64, and I doubt you know what it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP46Y7GmYts

I have to make a vid? Search Smash 64 DI in youtube and you will see that IT HAVES DI

Showing better :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Kcg6BD4bA

In a black hole.

If you can Di out of a continuos hit, you can do the same with kirby.

Kirby have some combos, but not as many as the others. Kirby is more hit-based than combo-based

And i quit this thread lol

(Urulok is one of these ****ing spanish pros: you see, he only knows pro>noob when some of them who thinks are pro are really noobs, and only a few are really pros...(he is very good))

 

[creep]

You and a bunch of scrubs are not "the majority of the community."

You are not even part of the community.

Oh, I didn't realise that 'the community' were such elitist pricks, sorry, next time I'll just shine your shoes and keep quiet.

 

[brawlpro]

But, Brawl is going to be very very good without Wavedashing, or anything like that.

By anything like that you mean advanced techniques, so wut your just gonna throw out attacks at random times and run away to be defensive...?

 

[BrimconSako]

Oh, I didn't realise that 'the community' were such elitist pricks, sorry, next time I'll just shine your shoes and keep quiet.

I was about to say.. What about those who are trying to be PART of Said comminuty? What are we? Scrubs? Wait.. no don't answer that.

Edit:

By anything like that you mean advanced techniques, so wut your just gonna throw out attacks at random times and run away to be defensive...?

No, But then again, I've never really L-Canceled, so the "Auto Lag Reduction" helps me a bit, And no, Running away? Hah.. I play mind games all the time, I just don't do what you do?

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

You and a bunch of scrubs are not "the majority of the community."

You are not even part of the community.

Someone has his angry pants on today doesn't he? Chill out d00d.

 

[brawlpro]

2260 POST!!!!!

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I can't imagine playing Brawl without Wavedashing, especially because the better I get, the more I apply and use Wavedashing, instinctively even, and there's a LOT of depth that can be unfolded with Wavedashing still in.

Why should things such as Bowser's Flame Cancel be in Brawl while Wavedashing isn't????

We need this back, we need to all write to Nintendo/Sakurai and tell him that what he's doing is a BIG mistake that needs to be fixed.

Lol I've been saying this for 10 months man. And all it's gotten me is an anti fanclub of people who treat me like Im the ONLY person who values this stuff.

Nevermind wavedashing, we at the very least NEED L cancelling.

See? The best friggin' smasher in the world agrees with me.

I win. 10 months of being flamed is so worth it right now. Also being completly right about what brawl is going to do to the best game ever made.

Solution ? Play melee.

M2K : Nintendo wont listen to you. Wii games are supposed to be easy because easier games apparantly sell better and nintendo ONLY cares about money. They used to be intrested in their fans AND hardcore gamers, but now it's all about the money.

There is nothing we can do but boycott this game competitivly and keep melee's tournament scene alive.

I'm probably gonna buy brawl at some point or another to play by myself or with a few friends though, I cant miss out on all the new stuff

but why play competitive checkers when you've already played competitive chess, if you catch my drift?

 

[BigRick]

By anything like that you mean advanced techniques, so wut your just gonna throw out attacks at random times and run away to be defensive...?

Lol Melee is already a defensive game.

 

[susu_atari]

So, uh... I hear you want to play that game, you know... Super Smash Bros. Melee.

Me? Yeah, I like Melee, but right now I'd rather play Super Smash Bros. Brawl. You know, that new game that everybody's been talking about? You know it's different to Melee? Yeah, it's exactly how Sakurai wants it, though, and it's bound to be great.

 

[Mew2King]

I don't consider myself an elitist prick, I'm probably one of the nicest top smashers in that regard, but even if I wasn't half as good as I am at melee I would still STAND BY MY POINT and defend it. Choosing to listen to me only because I'm known at SSBM is up to you, but I never requested it. I still think my points on why WDing should be in are important though.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

Lol I've been saying this for 10 months man. And all it's gotten me is an anti fanclub of people who treat me like Im the ONLY person who values this stuff.

Nevermind wavedashing, we at the very least NEED L cancelling.

See? The best friggin' smasher in the world agrees with me.

I win. 10 months of being flamed is so worth it right now. Also being completly right about what brawl is going to do to the best game ever made.

Solution ? Play melee.

M2K : Nintendo wont listen to you. Wii games are supposed to be easy because easier games apparantly sell better and nintendo ONLY cares about money. They used to be intrested in their fans AND hardcore gamers, but now it's all about the money.

There is nothing we can do but boycott this game competitivly and keep melee's tournament scene alive.

I'm probably gonna buy brawl at some point or another to play by myself or with a few friends though, I cant miss out on all the new stuff

but why play competitive checkers when you've already played competitive chess, if you catch my drift?

Hey! Don't diss competitive checkers! I've been kinged fifteen times you know!!!!

 

[Mew2King]

M2K : Nintendo wont listen to you. Wii games are supposed to be easy because easier games apparantly sell better and nintendo ONLY cares about money. They used to be intrested in their fans AND hardcore gamers, but now it's all about the money.

I can't bring myself to believe that even if it's true, that's just incredibly sad.

 

[The King]

In all honesty, with the loss of Wavedashing comes a loss of many more effective tactics that really could have added more depth in brawl.

-We lose Wavedashing, which means we cannot alter our current direction at almost any moment on the ground, which gives more options and mix-ups for spacing, as well as making many characters faster or actually viable.
-We lose options for attacking/maneuvering out of our shield, as well as quickly following up ground/grab combos. We also lose the ability to Triangle-Jump.
-We lose the ability to aim our airdodge. This is just as important, due to all the options for recovery we currently enjoy and employ in Melee. We lose options for dodging and escaping combos in the air, and (currently) allows us less options for recovering back onto the stage.

It's not that we NEED wavedashing in Brawl, as we'll no doubt learn and adapt without it. It's just unfortunate how much depth we're losing in the melee/brawl transition with the physics properties of the airdodge being changed.

 

[v3x?]

My god lol

I've just read through this entire thread and im appauled that people have assumed that simply because m2k wavedashes and wavelands correctly he wins.

That's actually ridiculous.

I'm gunu be open, since i don't know m2k i can only go on what i've heard and seen. The reason m2k wins is he's a bit of a geek! He knows the game inside out, percentages, counter picks, stages, mindgames, tricks whatever you name it: knowledge/experience. Knowledge is power.

On topic, i for one am extremely pissed with brawl. I cannot BELIEVE how much fox sucks 'BASED ON THE DEMO' (before every has a go at me for that lol) My main... my precious fox! Wtf am i gunu do with my fox's speed?

...Switch to sonic....

Wavedashing should be in if sakuri plans the game to attract the vital number of highly dedicated smashfans it already has, whilst keeping a long lifespan for the game.

BOTH of these are marketing goals that he should have (as a company) aimed to get at before the game was in alpha stage.

I'm keeping my mind open incase there is a chance that the someone will find a way of recreating wavedashing (even if its harder than doubleshines) within the next 4months.

I mean hell... They havnt even announced airdodging on the main site - maybe they just havnt put it all in yet!

I am, as someone quoted earlier, in the denial stage.

I will be depressed for months lol

 

[yoshi_fan]

Owned again Yoshi Fan?

Mew2King and Ankoku > Yoshi Fan

See my post and you will se who is pwned (sorry for double post)

Stupid pretentious pros... i wish one day i might be a pro and stop this pretentious pro flaming.

And azen, good post at least.

 

[BentoBox]

You said you wouldn't post anymore Dylan, gtfo.

It's gone.

But you are right about the fact that they enjoy making games easier. I've been told that the next Mario Kart will receive the same kind of treatment to allow nübs to "catch up".

 

[Zankoku]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP46Y7GmYts

I have to make a vid? Search Smash 64 DI in youtube and you will see that IT HAVES DI

That is indeed the one kind of DI it has. But since you went to the trouble of finding the video on SDI, I'm sure you're so very adept at mashing the control stick in the same direction 2 or 3 times to mini-teleport to the correct location that would send you at that trajectory back to the stage, right?

Or are you being unknowledgeable and thinking that you just hold a direction and it'll magically change your angle? Silly yoshi fan, that was something that was implemented in Melee.

Oh, I didn't realise that 'the community' were such elitist pricks, sorry, next time I'll just shine your shoes and keep quiet.

The Smashboards community originally implied a community of competitive players. It also had a small community of the casual players, people who liked the game but didn't really play it competitively. They represent the majority of Smash players. I suppose that sort of changed when the Brawl discussion boards were introduced. Now in addition to the competitive and casual players, we've got the vast vast minority, the competitive-haters also known as scrubs. You people know what wavedashing and L-Canceling is, and probably got wrecked by someone who used them effectively, along with other important things depending on character. Rather than putting time in to learn for yourselves how to use advanced techniques, you suddenly changed your classification from "a good player" to "a casual player" (NOTE: you're not really a casual player) and spent the rest of your time on Smashboards hating on competitive players because the only reason they can win is with wavedashing, a move involving tilting your control stick and pressing X and R to get a directional slide.

 

[h1roshi]

sorry M2K, i would love WD'ing in as much as the next guy but they are way too far into development now for them to change something like that. we just have to accept brawl for the new game that it is...peace

-hiroshi

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

That is indeed the one kind of DI it has. But since you went to the trouble of finding the video on SDI, I'm sure you're so very adept at mashing the control stick in the same direction 2 or 3 times to mini-teleport to the correct location that would send you at that trajectory back to the stage, right?

Or are you being unknowledgeable and thinking that you just hold a direction and it'll magically change your angle? Silly yoshi fan, that was something that was implemented in Melee.


The Smashboards community originally implied a community of competitive players. It also had a small community of the casual players, people who liked the game but didn't really play it competitively. They represent the majority of Smash players. I suppose that sort of changed when the Brawl discussion boards were introduced. Now in addition to the competitive and casual players, we've got the vast vast minority, the competitive-haters also known as scrubs. You people know what wavedashing and L-Canceling is, and probably got wrecked by someone who used them effectively, along with other important things depending on character. Rather than putting time in to learn for yourselves how to use advanced techniques, you suddenly changed your classification from "a good player" to "a casual player" (NOTE: you're not really a casual player) and spent the rest of your time on Smashboards hating on competitive players because the only reason they can win is with wavedashing, a move involving tilting your control stick and pressing X and R to get a directional slide.

What's so bad about being a casual player? Going from a good player to a casual player? Or what do you mean..? I'm confuzzled.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

I can't bring myself to believe that even if it's true, that's just incredibly sad.

Really, Nintendo always cared about money. That is the sole reason any company exists; to make money. It's just the way things work.

Lol @ Dylan: I knew you would eventually post here. I even mentioned you once in one of my posts here.

 

[BubbleShield]

ya know, sakurai's probably reading all of this right now and laughing his *** off. In the japanese version of smashboards that is

 

[GOTM]

M2K : Nintendo wont listen to you. Wii games are supposed to be easy because easier games apparantly sell better and nintendo ONLY cares about money. They used to be intrested in their fans AND hardcore gamers, but now it's all about the money.

That's how it is with every company. The fact that you think they care about gamers is tremendous marketing and smart development. All companies need to make money or they wouldn't exist. We wouldn't have brawl if companies cared about people, lol..as weird as that sounds its the truth. there not going to change their game, obviously, because at this point, they'd be losing money.

the world is all about money today, no matter how much that sucks sometimes.

ahem...lemme not get ahead of myself....WDing will not be in brawl

 

[BigRick]

In all honesty, with the loss of Wavedashing comes a loss of many more effective tactics that really could have added more depth in brawl.

-We lose Wavedashing, which means we cannot alter our current direction at almost any moment on the ground, which gives more options and mix-ups for spacing, as well as making many characters faster or actually viable.
-We lose options for attacking/maneuvering out of our shield, as well as quickly following up ground/grab combos. We also lose the ability to Triangle-Jump.
-We lose the ability to aim our airdodge. This is just as important, due to all the options for recovery we currently enjoy and employ in Melee. We lose options for dodging and escaping combos in the air, and (currently) allows us less options for recovering back onto the stage.

It's not that we NEED wavedashing in Brawl, as we'll no doubt learn and adapt without it. It's just unfortunate how much depth we're losing in the melee/brawl transition with the physics properties of the airdodge being changed.

Hmm true we definitely lose some options, but don't we get some new ones because we can jump after an airdodge? I don't know for sure since I haven't played the game, but the dynamics or air-to-air combat will probably change a lot.

Maybe we could see scenarios like, both characters jump towards each other, one attacks, the other airdodges through, then double jumps backwards to punish.

Again I'm just speculating because I never played the game...

 

[Andromeda]

M2K, when you've reached "Acceptance" on Arymans list, you're probably going to learn to **** everyone without WD. Sure, the game looses depth, but there really isn't much we can do about it now.

I wonder what Toadbanjoconker would've said about this... :/

 

[creep]

The Smashboards community originally ~snip~

Thanks for furthering my point.

 

[NES n00b]

Thanks for furthering my point.

What is your point?

 

[Zankoku]

What's so bad about being a casual player? Going from a good player to a casual player? Or what do you mean..? I'm confuzzled.

Casual players tend to not really know about wavedashing or L-canceling, and it doesn't tend to affect them. There are plenty of people who didn't know about those, thought they were good because they could beat their friends, got wrecked at a tourney, and decided that the competitive scene is ********. They still play to win, see, they just have this distinct hate for advanced techniques because it was very visible what it did and thus they feel that it's all that separates winning against their friends from losing badly in a tournament.

Ehh. Not really.

 

[Ness EX-2 Plus ALPHA]

I read this topic this morning when it had 0 posts, and I thought it was just a joke.

Come on folks, just adapt to the new gameplay, I'm sure you'll find a lot of depth and (more importantly) fun while you play the finished game next February.

 

[Tony_]

All the tourneyF@ags in the topic need to shut up and just play the game. If you take smash too seriously you are loser with no life whatsoever.

I know I am going to get flamed, but what I speak is true. All the supposed "Pros" that have been causing un-needed $hitstorms are only ***** who think they can get away with **** because the type behind a computer screen and a keyboard.

To all those who are calm about losing wavedashing, very good. You have taken this well.

For the record, I am neutral. I have played in a few tourney's here and there, but that was during summer time, and that was when I was traveling a lot.

I also play casually, so I can see from that side as well.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Oh, I didn't realise that 'the community' were such elitist pricks, sorry, next time I'll just shine your shoes and keep quiet.

Dude.

Your join date is TODAY.

And you are posting about the "Smash community" as if you know your *** from your elbow. You don't know anything.

If you want to be part of the community, go to tournaments. Meet people. You don't just post in some forum and think suddenly you ****ing matter.

 

[Rash]

While the introduction of new airdodge mechanics may have taken away some of the potential ground-metagame, it has very much added to the airial metagame, and that's something I definitely think people should appreciate.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

Casual players tend to not really know about wavedashing or L-canceling, and it doesn't tend to affect them. There are plenty of people who didn't know about those, thought they were good because they could beat their friends, got wrecked at a tourney, and decided that the competitive scene is ********. They still play to win, see, they just have this distinct hate for advanced techniques because it was very visible what it did and thus they feel that it's all that separates winning against their friends from losing badly in a tournament.

Ehh. Not really.

Ow, my ego. And the collective egos of "casuals" who really couldn't care one way or another. Way to group us all together. There are "casuals" here I would NOT want to be associated with, thank you very much.