We need Wavedashing, we must take action to assure it

[Mew2King]

All I'm saying is that we have 4 months to do something about it. I would rather not whine about it, but do something about it, but I will still defend what I think because my opinion isn't going to change.

I think Wavedashing adds depth, and it would be better with it.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[brawlpro]

Looks like people who want wding will be playing melee forever. You guys keep doing that while the rest of us enjoy brawl.

how are you gonna enjoy brawl without wavedash...not wavedashing limits you too much.

 

[creep]

I was really trying to avoid this thread, because I knew what to expect... I went in once I saw 'Mew2King' and what do I get?

The same old silly whining I've been hearing/reading since the first reports of wavedashing being removed.

I really expected better of an experienced tournament veteran like you, M2K. I thought that you of all people would have the forethought and insight to realize that BRAWL IS NOT MELEE. I'm not trying to flame you, for I have a ton of respect for you as a player. You've worked your *** off for five years trying to climb to the top of the mountain and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that you are an inspiriation to every kid who dreams of being the best through hard work and determination.

Now, that aside, I want to address all the little toadys who've been jumping on the M2K bandwagon and all the flamers on both sides of this silly argument:

UGH. For God's Sake... If M2K/ChuDat/your momma/whoever feels like they need wavedashing and l-cancelling, then stick with Melee! It's that simple... Brawl is its own game, as was the original SSB and Melee before it.

Anyone who wanted Melee 2.0 is just going to have to cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it. It seems to me that the development team seems pretty focused on fixing the things that needed fixing. Obviously, it looks like Sakurai and his team believed that wavedashing had to go. It's not as HUGE a loss as people are making it out to be.

All this whining and worrying over a short 2-minute demo that doesn't even scratch the surface of the immense game that Brawl is... I expected better of you, Smashboards...

QFE. Pretty much sums up everything that needs to be said.

 

[S_B]

It's out, get over it.

Denial
Anger
Bargaining <-- you are here
Depression
Acceptance

hahaha, awesome and accurate.

 

[YangKang]

Ok... so when i use with sheik doing some sandbagging, i only use the ftilt to keep the bottom tier (put for example picachu) being hitted in the air at about 90% to then being faired to death ZOMG IS A ****ING COMBO

C'mon, if that is only you know about 64, stop saying ****. Also that's is why kirby must be banned from tournamens xd

Also... is very strange that you caught someone into your utilt perfectly. Sorry, i don't think so

Continue playing 64 without using kirby, and you will se the depthness of the game, mr. pro

You really should play against him and get your *** 5 stocked

 

[BigRick]

how are you gonna enjoy brawl without wavedash...not wavedashing limits you too much.

gimpyfish seems to enjoy brawl alot

and they also found some new advanced techniques already

 

[freeman123]

He's not afraid to lose, he's afraid the game won't be fun once people get good at it. Like imagine if every matchup in Melee was like Jigglypuff dittos on Dreamland, no one would want to play it.

Why would you assume that this game is going to be like that when you know next to nothing about it?

And I wasn't aware that wave dashing was the only thing that kept stages other than Dreamland playable, and allowed other characters to compete with Jigglypuff.

 

[BUM163]

ya people r crazy. now m2k is wavedashin is out i ask u that earlier n u said u not gonna quit. y even bother, when u can find sumthin new out n own people regardless? yea it makes the game deep, but sequels r known 4 doin this such as street fighter alpha to street fighter three. me i'm just gonna adapt whether itz there or not

 

[Zankoku]

Ok... so when i use with sheik doing some sandbagging, i only use the ftilt to keep the bottom tier (put for example picachu) being hitted in the air at about 90% to then being faired to death ZOMG IS A ****ING COMBO

C'mon, if that is only you know about 64, stop saying ****. Also that's is why kirby must be banned from tournamens xd

Also... is very strange that you caught someone into your utilt perfectly. Sorry, i don't think so

Continue playing 64 without using kirby, and you will se the depthness of the game, mr. pro

It's called DI in Melee, something that Smash 64 doesn't have. If Kirby were banned from tournaments then everyone would just go Pika and Isai would keep rocking people with whoever the hell he or someone making a request feels like anyway.

Everyone knows WDing is out as of the demo, and while I don't agree with M2K making a thread over it, some of you have to realize that you're not being any better of a person going "stfu brawl isn't melee" or "qq more noob."

 

[brawlpro]

You really should play against him and get your *** 5 stocked

99 stocked.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

What do you suggest we do, M2K? Send an email to nintendo? We tried that with online, and that was with TONS of people participating. It didn't work. Now, with many people not participating (at the most we could probably get like 100 people together), we won't accompish anything. Fission Mailed. Now what?

 

[brawlpro]

What do you suggest we do, M2K? Send an email to nintendo? We tried that with online, and that was with TONS of people participating. It didn't work. Now, with many people not participating (at the most we could probably get like 100 people together), we won't accompish anything. Fission Mailed. Now what?

how do you know it didn't work, brawl is online...

 

[Emblem Lord]

Gah.

So much ignorance in this thread.

All the competitive smashers have brains in this thread as well as some of the casuals as well with valid arguments.

Then there is yoshifan and guys like him.

Gah.

It was't just the WD. Sakurai axed alot of the advanced stuff.

Stuff that had no effecy on casuals. Why take it out? Cuz casuals get butthurt by people who use advacned techs? lolz. It's not the advanced techs that ***** them. It was the player who was better then them that did that. Skill beat them not exploits. You need skill to know how to use exploits.

But Sakurai being the casual pleasing ****** that he is, removes advanaced techs anyway and gives us what?

Ink drop? A technique that is near useless? Oh and wavelanding that is now super easy to predict becuase you airdodge with your momentum?

GTFO!!!

 

[NES n00b]

Why would you assume that this game is going to be like that when you know next to nothing about it?

And I wasn't aware that wave dashing was the only thing that kept stages other than Dreamland playable, and allowed other characters to compete with Jigglypuff.

Why do you assume it is awesome? We do we assume anything and that is an example anyways.

 

[yoshi_fan]

All I'm saying is that we have 4 months to do something about it. I would rather not whine about it, but do something about it, but I will still defend what I think because my opinion isn't going to change.

I think Wavedashing adds depth, and it would be better with it.

That's all I'm saying.

That's ok. Now i agrees with your point

You see, not be like "I HAVE THE ULTIMATE THRUTH" makes people add with you more

I dont know if i have sayed but... i liked the advance things in melee. And i'm a little disgusted because they are out, but i'm not complaining that much ****

This remembers me my change to melee from ssb64 where kirby got nerfed to hell... and at first i didn't like the new game but then it started to be a EXCELLENT game. I know this si gonna be the same

(Emblem lord: if you don't like my posts, don't look at them )3

And ankoku, 64 HAVE Di, but is not that useful. I didn't saed it becuase i didn't know if it was that combo the one where you can't get out even with DI... but no, you can go out of kirby combo using DI: the only one broken combo is ness'

Another thing is as bad saying brawl musn't have Wdash as saying Wdash must have Wdashing. I'm only saying that complaining about a thing that is out so the game will suck without it is IDIOT because we haven't used the game yet :S

I'm out now: someone spanish starts geting prepontous that M2K has the point ONLY because he is the number one in the world... so go complaining and have luck, if you make Wdash in: good if you can't: good that's all ok?

 

[brawlpro]

This thread gets 7 responces per 15 seconds...

 

[SGX]

As a Luigi player, I completely agree with M2K.

L-canceling felt like an artificial skill barrier, but WDing was a legitimate maneuver. I really feel like it helped out the lower tier characters more than the top tier characters.

I really don't know why people are HAPPY to see that Sakurai has reduced our maneuverability...

what I've gathered about it from various E 4 All threads:
No wavedashing
Characters are floatier
No directional Air Dodge
Characters have less traction

I would really like to feel like I have some level of precision over my character. However, I'm not sure this will be the case.

 

[BUM163]

lol **** this thread is crazy. emblem lord u in nj right? whenz the next nj tournament? i wanna go 2 it show nj sum luv

 

[Rash]

People act like wavedashing is Smash's only gateway to the competitive scene. That bothers me, especially since none of us have had hours of hands-on experience with the new game. If Brawl's removal of the wavedash takes away its competitiveness, who's to say that new mechanics and techniques won't make up for it? Why does the wavedash have to be the most critical depth-factor for the game?

 

[KK321]

If WDing was absence in SSBB, wouldn't characters such as Luigi and Gandandorf be pretty much unplayable in higher level plays or tournament level. They won't really stand a chance against faster opponents. Also, most characters will lose their well known abilities in SSBM such as Fox's waveshine combo (even though this technique probably wasn't intended during delopment). In other words, SSBB will be a dubbed down version of melee, as mentioned earlier in the tread.

Even though there's is no WDing in the demo, I'm still getting this feeling that it will be in the final version of Brawl. And remember, there are 4 control types. Most likely, using the Wii remote + Nunchuck and classic controller are used for novice and intermediate play. And Sakarai probably put the Gamecube controller option in SSBB for higher level players. So I think that Wavedashing might only be done using the Gamecube controller.

 

[creep]

This game is turning into Super Smash Brothers Bawl.

You can tell who all went to E 4 All, everyone that has actually played Brawl loves it. Everyone else is just complaining.

 

[Mikagami]

No thanks, I'd rather Brawl come out February 10th then be delayed to cater to the minority of Smash players. There will be other advanced techniques, and Melee will not just "magically disappear" when Brawl comes out.

 

[brawlpro]

gimpyfish seems to enjoy brawl alot

and they also found some new advanced techniques already

short hop triple laser wtf lol

gimpy enjoys it because bowser is ridiulous in brawl.

 

[MetaKnight0]

I'd love to have a Melee balance update but honestly you can't reasonably and fairly say that Brawl's gameplay must derive all of Melee's gameplay.

 

[BigRick]

gimpy enjoys it because bowser is ridiulous in brawl.

hehe I know

 

[BUM163]

people keep sayin witout wavedashin ganondorf n luigi would b wack n ur correct on that, but this is brawl a completely new game wit n those 2 characters can b different as well. i want wavedash in, but if itz not in that means u gonna quit?

 

[NES n00b]

People act like wavedashing is Smash's only gateway to the competitive scene. That bothers me, especially since none of us have had hours of hands-on experience with the new game. If Brawl's removal of the wavedash takes away its competitiveness, who's to say that new mechanics and techniques won't make up for it? Why is the wavedash the most critical depth-factor for the game?

When lots of advance techs are removed purposely from a game, it is very apparent what he is trying to do with the game. I don't see how removing bomb jumping, missile cancels, DJC, L cancelling, Wavedashing, characters with decent traction, directional airdodging, and making everything automatic to do makes the game seem more competitive. If this game has depth, it is a stroke of very dumb luck or some kind of grand design that can not be seen by close to anyone.

 

[Azen Zagenite]

=^_^=

I'm more glad than sad that wavedash, L-cancelling are out and the gameplay slowed down. Mainly cause I'm not much of a technical player, I can't pull off those crazy fox stuff or whatever most people can lollz. WDing is pretty fun though.

 

[Rash]

gimpy enjoys it because bowser is ridiulous in brawl.

Which is why people shouldn't worry about slower characters having a disadvantage without the wavedash. In Brawl, characters will be more equalized and certain ones won't be so reliant on "techniques" to bring them up to snuff with the rest of the roster.

 

[BigRick]

I forgot who said it (Hugs?) but wavedashing wouldn't be as important in this game because it is slower overall.

I bet that M2K will get addicted to Brawl when he starts playing it... hehe

 

[darkNES386]

MARIO STRIKERS CHARGED DOES NOT HAVE A TURBO BUTTON

Why... well similar to the quote below. This is really a debate about whether or not muscle memory should be the driving force of a video game. I would like to think, that more than mindless combos... I hope Brawl will be a game where intuition, positioning at all times, and a solid use of a characters attacks will be drawn upon. What if there's a randomness to the game... and you can't always rely on your attack sending them off on the same exact trajectory to combo everytime? What if you have be open to a couple different strings of combos and not always the exact same sequence... what if you have to THINK a little more in the middle of the game?

Back to the main argument though. If it were possible for everyone at a competative level to wavedash... is it really necessary? The ultimate decision of who is the best should not be based off of any single move.

If you disregard execution, does wave dashing make up such an important part of Smash progressively? What if there was a simple 'wavedash' button that allowed people to use the technique with ease? Then becoming good at Smash revolves around the stategic use of wavedash and skillfully use that to punish and evade. Theres nothing wrong with that, it just seems to me that without wavedash, you require more insight (rather than pure reflex) on what the opponent may do. It will make Brawl much more about positioning and zoning than Melee was. It trades technical skill for strategic skill.

edit: Clarified my stance a bit.

Please open your minds to a game that may have more to offer then just a second version of melee.

 

[NES n00b]

LOL Azen.

I am going to find stuff that will make everyone who hates wavedashing in this thread hate me.

I do feel the need to make everyone wish that they had a Melee 2.0. XD

Edit: Mindless combos? fail.

 

[BUM163]

this is not gonna go anywhere, but one side sayz we want this n the otha side is happy cuz they got that lol. if u gonna do sumthin about it, go talk 2 the man that created the game

 

[brawlpro]

Which is why people shouldn't worry about slower characters having a disadvantage without the wavedash. In Brawl, characters will be more equalized and certain ones won't be so reliant on "techniques" to bring them up to snuff with the rest of the roster.

bowsers up-b made up for his slowishness lol

 

[Rash]

I wish this game could just come out and we could play it. I'm really getting tired of having these discussions. You'd think that maybe the wavedash talk would slow down a bit after we finally get some concrete information about its possible inclusion/exclusion from Brawl, but instead we get MORE threads about it.

I blame the pro-wavedash people. If wavedashing was confirmed for the game then you definitely wouldn't be seeing anybody posting threads for petitions to get rid of it. You people and your inability to let go of something are causing way too much overflow on SmashBoards.

 

[creep]

Why hasn't this thread been locked yet?

 

[Mew2King]

DSF and Trevyn said they didn't like Brawl.

 

[Urulok]

Yoshi Fan - you're really dumb if you think that. Kirby can combo Captain Falcon to like 90% by doing a bunch of up tilts from 0%, then when you think you're out of range with up tilts, come down with a Short Hop Fair just before they can DJ away, then before that Fair finishes (Which would push them away because that's what the final hit of his Fair does) you do another up tilt, then a double jump bair (rock if ur feeling risky at lower %s)

That combos most characters to a high %, and depending on the character depends how many up tilts you can do, and it's good to watch what they are doing to see when you need to do the Fair.

You obviously don't know anything about Smash 64.

Yoshi Fan Owned

Mew2King > Yoshi Fan

Catalonia is not Barcelona Yoshi Fan.

 

[NES n00b]

I wish this game could just come out and we could play it. I'm really getting tired of having these discussions. You'd think that maybe the wavedash talk would slow down a bit after we finally get some concrete information about its possible inclusion/exclusion from Brawl, but instead we get MORE threads about it.

I blame the pro-wavedash people. If wavedashing was confirmed for the game then you definitely wouldn't be seeing anybody posting threads for petitions to get rid of it. You people and your inability to let go of something are causing way too much overflow on SmashBoards.

No, then people would complain about supposed glitches ruining the game again.

How many threads do you see that say "stop complaining" from anti-wavedash people?

In other words, BULL ****!

 

[yoshi_fan]

Yoshi Fan Owned

Mew2King > Yoshi Fan

Catalonia is not Barcelona Yoshi Fan.

Yeah, and the one who said that doesn't know what was the Pi number... and a decimal number, and how X island name is...

Urulok: kirby HASN'T GOT combos in 64: most of them can be DI'ed out. THe only one combo 0 to death go can be DI'ed out is Ness' and that has been saying for those pros you trust so much.