CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
lol, hes not just back in it, he's the sole leader of the Brawl+ project. the same guy that told everyone to bug off and learn your characters instead of kindly saying there just isnt a changelist and that it's his fault.
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WBR Applications: No longer solely Brawl+, PM apps to Bionic DUE TONIGHT!!!!!!!!
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Hella.
Come on Chibo, play nice. Even though Cape has some attitude issues, he's been working his *** off and he doesn't want to see a bunch of noobs rush in, glance at the changelist and rage at him, demanding things go their way. He DOES know what he's doing, and with him and his group of (7?) people he's given out two builds greater than WBR's previous quality. He's a fitting leader if you treat him right, and he only disrespects in retaliation to disrespect. I haven't known him for years like most of you have but from what I've seen, unless you write a rant, he can be understanding.
Do not compromise principles on the basis that you think its "better". The lack of changelist and the attitude he had with people is unnacceptable. The WBR is a mess and yeroc having full authority to give the project to whomever he feels like is completely ********, nothing less.
Veril
Frame Savant
I completely disagree with swordgard. Principles are a means to an end. The lack of a changelist was actually a great thing aside from all the b****ing. GetSexy-BR > WBR. We're much better organized and infinitely more productive. I personally don't give a s*** what the sbr thinks about how this is run, it has a completely different purpose and organization.
I don't agree with everything Cape does, but... "shrug" its pretty entertaining tbh
LOOK AT YOUR SIG FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!
I don't agree with everything Cape does, but... "shrug" its pretty entertaining tbh
LOOK AT YOUR SIG FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!
A zinger if I ever did see one.
It's clear that the former WBR was getting nowhere. If not nowhere it was either going in the wrong direction or the right way with three broken tires.
If Brawl+ was going to continue in the right direction than somebody with the commitment to take it there had to take charge. Cape was that person. If people take the time to read his posts then you would see that it is far from Cape being some tyrant pulling the strings of his pawns. He's said it before, and I'll say it for him right now:
His changes all came from him listening to us. Taking the time to read through the character threads and look at what the players suggested. Any suggestion that had potential was tested and tweaked around. It wasn't just anybody testing either; he sent the files to tournament players. Bionic put things the best; Cape actually listened to him where as the former WBR did not.
It's great to see that the WBR is going in a new direction, as well as B+. The product Cape has put out has clear results and even if Cape could handle things differently results talk. The community is always going to be a part of this project, but lets be honest; Smash has always had a secret room for people to get things done. Melee has one, Brawl has one, even every Brawl character has one. The fact is, the community is a big part but can also steer things wrongly. Its why Smash has a history of filtering the community into the most trusted individuals. If everyone was free to make changes we would have RC1 Ness, trolls, and immature 13 year old kids with tons of spam posts, along with more posts filled with :V than the eye could see.
Say what you want, but a means to an end is more than worth some snickering comments from some of us here.
CloneHat
Smash Champion
Well, Brawl+ has finally reached the point where it has a community so big it needs a separate committee to make changes.
It was going to happen sometime. It's not like Nintendo would listen to the individual opinions of Smashboards members if they were to change the game. Frankly, I'm pretty impressed, and proud to see the project go so far.
It was going to happen sometime. It's not like Nintendo would listen to the individual opinions of Smashboards members if they were to change the game. Frankly, I'm pretty impressed, and proud to see the project go so far.
MK26
Smash Master
What do you mean, finally? It's been this way for months...
ThatGuyYouMightKnow
Smash Champion
Agreed with Plum completely. Basically an Oligarchy.
[TSON]
Hella.
Absolutely disagree. He retaliates against disrespect with more disrespect. It may not be the wisest thing to do but it is how he acts and I wouldn't expect anything less. Oh and sorry for using the 'B word', I meant of better quality.
Veril
Frame Savant
I'm still waiting for some math/research phenom to come out of the woodworks and amaze me.
I mean, come on... I could use someone else helping me (a few people really). My data wishlist is enormous beyond the point of it being possible for me to do all of the testing by myself and there's a lot that can't be easily extrapolated from PSA. The problem is finding people who are actually qualified for this AND willing to put in the time.
I mean, come on... I could use someone else helping me (a few people really). My data wishlist is enormous beyond the point of it being possible for me to do all of the testing by myself and there's a lot that can't be easily extrapolated from PSA. The problem is finding people who are actually qualified for this AND willing to put in the time.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Still, the fact that someone was kicked out who continuously offered help and did a bunch of other work for the Brawl+ community practically for the sole reason that he dissaproved with some of Capes decisions and methods is a complete travesty.
I would have preferred this remain a private matter, but it seems that's not an option anymore. Chibo, I already explained to you I'm sorry you were let go. I didn't particularly enjoy having to make the decisions I had to make concerning you or the others I ended up removing from the WBR. Though I didn't make them alone. Several of my trusted fellow members and I discussed the prospect of removing members that had not been active or did not seem well suited to the WBR's new direction. Regrettably Chibo fell into both of these categories to some degree.
Since I can't make links to some of the posts that factored into our decision, I can only explain my impressions of the things you said. The fact of the matter is, much of the past several months you've been extremely inactive, punctuated by bursts of questions about extremely dated codework, or making suggestions that were incongruous with what was happening at the time, or demands that our attentions focus on issues not at all central to the finishing of the Brawl+ project. You would disappear for weeks at a time, only to show up and make suggestions about a code we'd already discussed, experimented with, and scrapped ten days prior for a newer superior method. Or the time you tried to spur the stage legality discussion so that we could make a recommended set in time for your own tournament. I understand you didn't even use the recommendations, which suggests to me how little you seem to care about our opinions, and were simply looking for something to slap an official stamp on so it looked better. What about the time you suggested we remove the random spawning of Peach's articles and just not tell anybody? I realize it was said half-jokingly. But honestly, for as much complaining you've done to me and Cape about not providing a changelist for this new release, I don't find it particularly funny. I can look over the last ten posts made in the WBR and all I see are uninformed contrivances based upon an out-of-step presupposition about the project, with an overwhelming focus not on the aims of the group as a whole, but on how you can most benefit your own position within it. It was not contributing to the functioning of the room, and myself and the others decided that we could not abide it, and that such actions would not be tolerated within the new structure of the WBR.
If anyone views the decisions I have taken part in making as harsh, please understand I'm only doing what I think is right for the WBR. If I see something that I don't think is going to work well in the room, I will do my best to make amends, but I won't sacrifice my aims for the sake of trying to make everybody happy. I can't please everybody, much though I would like.
So, that's out in the open. And that's all there will be said about it here. Chibo, if you have more to say to me, you can do it elsewhere. Everyone else, let's get back to discussing the new WBR or the Brawl+ set. I'm still anxious to read all the applications that I haven't received from Bionic yet.
Since I can't make links to some of the posts that factored into our decision, I can only explain my impressions of the things you said. The fact of the matter is, much of the past several months you've been extremely inactive, punctuated by bursts of questions about extremely dated codework, or making suggestions that were incongruous with what was happening at the time, or demands that our attentions focus on issues not at all central to the finishing of the Brawl+ project. You would disappear for weeks at a time, only to show up and make suggestions about a code we'd already discussed, experimented with, and scrapped ten days prior for a newer superior method. Or the time you tried to spur the stage legality discussion so that we could make a recommended set in time for your own tournament. I understand you didn't even use the recommendations, which suggests to me how little you seem to care about our opinions, and were simply looking for something to slap an official stamp on so it looked better. What about the time you suggested we remove the random spawning of Peach's articles and just not tell anybody? I realize it was said half-jokingly. But honestly, for as much complaining you've done to me and Cape about not providing a changelist for this new release, I don't find it particularly funny. I can look over the last ten posts made in the WBR and all I see are uninformed contrivances based upon an out-of-step presupposition about the project, with an overwhelming focus not on the aims of the group as a whole, but on how you can most benefit your own position within it. It was not contributing to the functioning of the room, and myself and the others decided that we could not abide it, and that such actions would not be tolerated within the new structure of the WBR.
If anyone views the decisions I have taken part in making as harsh, please understand I'm only doing what I think is right for the WBR. If I see something that I don't think is going to work well in the room, I will do my best to make amends, but I won't sacrifice my aims for the sake of trying to make everybody happy. I can't please everybody, much though I would like.
So, that's out in the open. And that's all there will be said about it here. Chibo, if you have more to say to me, you can do it elsewhere. Everyone else, let's get back to discussing the new WBR or the Brawl+ set. I'm still anxious to read all the applications that I haven't received from Bionic yet.
With those questions answered, I'm gonna put a stop to this discussion, it's already done and past and with the explanations should clear up a lot of things. If you want to discuss this further, please PM Yeroc or any parties involved, just not in this topic or the boards.
ThatGuyYouMightKnow
Smash Champion
I consider myself of both. Depends on what you're working with though. Some new things you or Yeroc or anyone of that potential come up with, confuse the **** out of me. But I can at least keep up.
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
I would, but I lack two things: experience and an actual wii. Time I have loads of.
In other words, what yeroc says goes and he does what he feels is right for the WBR. And that can be w/e he sets as goal for B+.
Cool.
Not.
Dantarion
Smash Champion
All the people saying that GSH is better than the WBR could possibly do:
You are aware of how old RC1 was, right?
You are aware of how much new knowledge/playtesting/codes existed before GSH1 was made right?
Cape and his crew didn't do ALL of the work. I mean ****, some of my new codes were first released in GSH1, (Skyworld+, etc) and an entirely new method of making codes(Fighter.pac PSA injections) was created.
The WBR may have not have released much of anything, but progress was being made prior to GSH1. Cape just got bored of how inactive the WBR was, which was mostly due to lack of organization, and real life making it hard to cooperate online to get things done.
You are aware of how old RC1 was, right?
You are aware of how much new knowledge/playtesting/codes existed before GSH1 was made right?
Cape and his crew didn't do ALL of the work. I mean ****, some of my new codes were first released in GSH1, (Skyworld+, etc) and an entirely new method of making codes(Fighter.pac PSA injections) was created.
The WBR may have not have released much of anything, but progress was being made prior to GSH1. Cape just got bored of how inactive the WBR was, which was mostly due to lack of organization, and real life making it hard to cooperate online to get things done.
Veril
Frame Savant
I loled. There's more to this than coding. The wbr sucked EXCEPT for coding (which it is amazing at, I will grant). I did so much god d*** work with balancing numerically, it meant nothing inside the wbr, maybe a pat on the back ;p. S*** actually got done with the GSH sets because I didn't have to deal with the ridiculous inertia and infighting of the wbr and tbh the lack of actual knowledge from many members.
I have nothing against anyone in the backroom. In fact, I really like them, they're good people. Still, I made the choice to leave and work with Cape. Nobody can accuse me of not putting in the effort, it was a waste of time though until I actually took the time to talk to Cape and look past his abrasiveness.
GSH is better than what the wbr was capable of.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
If Cape hadn't shaken things up and taken matters into his own hands, we'd still be playing RC1 most likely.
Scary, I know.
Scary, I know.
shanus
Smash Hero
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I think part of the issue of the flawed WBR was that in the past few months was also a large change in productivity. Myself, yeroc, Cape and magus all were very productive leaders within the WBR for a long period of time. However, in the past 6 months real life has definitely kicked into gear for Yeroc, Magus, and I greatly prohibiting our productivity and thereby both the quality and rate of output of the WBR. Cape, Veril, and others had valid concerns in that our process was slow and inefficient at that point and decided to restructure and assume project lead.
His work in producing GSH1 was a step necessary in B+'s evolution. We needed project leader with time to invest in the project and who values the insights of competitive players and with a clear goal in mind.
I think the results speak for themselves. GSH2 is highly reviewed, and while organization has not been stellar with the release of a changelist, I think it's not something to dwell on either. The fact that the WBR is being restructured will solve this organization issue as well, and we should be better off now with a more formalized process as well.
Overall, swordgard and others are being judgemental with no knowledge in hand. Assumptions make an *** of you is such a valuable jingle.
His work in producing GSH1 was a step necessary in B+'s evolution. We needed project leader with time to invest in the project and who values the insights of competitive players and with a clear goal in mind.
I think the results speak for themselves. GSH2 is highly reviewed, and while organization has not been stellar with the release of a changelist, I think it's not something to dwell on either. The fact that the WBR is being restructured will solve this organization issue as well, and we should be better off now with a more formalized process as well.
Overall, swordgard and others are being judgemental with no knowledge in hand. Assumptions make an *** of you is such a valuable jingle.
MK26
Smash Master
you got this out of that?
if you were obsessed with discussing nothing but the Melee ruleset in the SBR-B (and, when not discussing the Melee ruleset, you were inconspicuously absent for long periods of time), how long would it be before you got kicked out? Until Chibo responds, I see no reason not to believe what Yeroc says.
But you're trolling anyways, so w/e
Dant, you know more than anybody that coders get the least amount of recognition out of anybody in this project. We definitely don't say it enough, but we're all really grateful for what you and all the other coders have done for this project. I'm fairly sure that when people say 'GSH is better than anything the WBR could have produced', they're referring to the whole, not the efforts of individuals such as yourself. Especially not individuals such as yourself. Cape found a more efficient way of getting everyone's **** together, but that doesn't invalidate what everyone else did, does it?
With that said, you really need to check your PMs more. Is this the second time now?
I've got a new, more specific way of getting the windmill done, ill pm you the details in a few.edit@Shanus: it's 'don't assume, it makes an *** out of u and me'
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
The problem here though is that everything that was used to make GSH2 could have been done in the WBR. Nothing has to be in secrecy in social groups or AIM or the IRC, we have been granted a great power here on SWF being able to have our own Workshop sub forum, Workshop Character sub forum, a WBR, a WBR character area, and a WBR user group to handle admissions. We were able to get mods to help everything out and put work into this for us whether it be keeping the workshop clean (Bio ur doin a great job btw), or organizing things in general, tracking polls, etc.
For the people involved in the making of GSH2, if they weren't in the WBR (a majority were afaik), then invite those new people. If people aren't helping, kick people out. Simple as that. There is no reason why it should have taken as long as it did to change some of the admissions since afaik, all it required was Yeroc clicking a accept button on the applicants.
Now sorry for replying to this, but I'm not going to let all this out in the open without me having any kind of reply to it, and also because MK26 wanted to hear a reply to it.
1. You did not explain to me why I was let go at all. To sum it up simply, it was along the lines of sorry we forgot to tell you we kicked you out of the WBR, bye. The closest thing you gave to a reason was "Activity and contributions to the project factor into our decisions as well." The fact that I was kicked out of the SBR without any warning at all only to be FINALLY PM'd about 2 days later alone is a very un-professional way of approaching the situation. And after it happened after IM'ing any WBR members I could find on AIM, none of them knew what was going on and why I wouldn't be back there.
2. Regarding my activity... I've already expressed my personal stance on the whole nightly sets. Mainly things such as testing sets ending up being used for tournaments, being updated every single night (they used to), and plenty of other people felt the same way. During these times I simply did not have the time to test every set and comment on everything. When I finally got around to doing whatever I could, everyone would be like LOL you obviously don't have the newest set! This was especially tough to keep track of considering there was no organized stickied thread in the WBR called like CURRENT BUILD with a convenient link in the OP. So much work was done in the IRC, which I made an effort to pop in every now and then (and I attended every meeting I knew of that I could make) but being active in the IRC was never a requirement of the WBR. In terms of Smash (because I have plenty of other things to worry about in life that aren't Smash related), I don't play just Brawl+ like most of you - I play Melee, Brawl, and Brawl+ and tend to try and keep a balance of all games. I've been a member of the SBR (now BBR) for over a year (I think it's been about a year) and that has taken up a lot of my time on SWF, and frankly has a much greater importance over the WBR because of how it's ran. And if you take into consideration the last 5 months or so, I've been a moderator as well needing to spend time modding my area, partaking in mod discussions, etc.
However, most of this is a moot point anyway because as far as I can tell, you've hardly began to touch removing the inactive WBR members like you said you have been doing, and I can check who is in the WBR to validate that point.
3. Sorry I asked a lot of questions, that's the kind of person I am. I want to make sure I'm doing everything right. Especially considering I was trying to work on coding and such (not just discussions), not all of the documented codes were explained well, and what do you expect me to do if I have problems? Fact of the matter is that when I went to these "bursts of questions," I was eager in helping out with the project and willing to devote time to it.
4. I never "demanded" to shift your focus away on anything. I'm sure you guys are capable of discussing a few things at a time right? One of the main things I can think of that fall under this is that I brought up multiple times the removal of luck from the game. Everytime I brought it up it spiked some good discussion, and I certainly wasn't the only person who was for the change as there were others that agreed with me as well, and overall helped offer ways to make these changes.
And as for why I would bring it up again and again, is because the topic would eventually just die off and the people who build the codesets and packaged them up for testing never did anything about it to even test it out.
5. Tourneys were being held with no consistent ruleset, so I took the time to organize everything into various stage votes the same way the SBR/BBR does to create the first official reccomended ruleset. And you're talking about it in a negative way? If YOU didn't want it back then you should have said so, but it seems that a lot of people appreciated it and a good amount took part of the discussions and voting. I originally started it without BtL2 in mind, but yes I did work to finish it up in time for then, but why shouldn't I? Not because it was my tournament, but because it was the biggest Brawl+ tournament yet.
As for me not even using the stage list, read back in the BtL2 thread and you will see why. Someone leaked out the stage list as it was being worked on and people HATED it. Some atrocious stages got on there, though that's not my fault, it's the fault of the WBR and the voters. And when I decided to go to a very conservative stage list for the sake of it being a huge tournament, people loved it and were very glad for that decision I made. If you compare the stages I used at the tourney compared to what I voted on, you'll note that I didn't even allow all of the stages I personally wanted legal.
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I have to leave for work now. More when I get home.
For the people involved in the making of GSH2, if they weren't in the WBR (a majority were afaik), then invite those new people. If people aren't helping, kick people out. Simple as that. There is no reason why it should have taken as long as it did to change some of the admissions since afaik, all it required was Yeroc clicking a accept button on the applicants.
Now sorry for replying to this, but I'm not going to let all this out in the open without me having any kind of reply to it, and also because MK26 wanted to hear a reply to it.
I'll discuss it point by point, seems to be the easiest way.
1. You did not explain to me why I was let go at all. To sum it up simply, it was along the lines of sorry we forgot to tell you we kicked you out of the WBR, bye. The closest thing you gave to a reason was "Activity and contributions to the project factor into our decisions as well." The fact that I was kicked out of the SBR without any warning at all only to be FINALLY PM'd about 2 days later alone is a very un-professional way of approaching the situation. And after it happened after IM'ing any WBR members I could find on AIM, none of them knew what was going on and why I wouldn't be back there.
2. Regarding my activity... I've already expressed my personal stance on the whole nightly sets. Mainly things such as testing sets ending up being used for tournaments, being updated every single night (they used to), and plenty of other people felt the same way. During these times I simply did not have the time to test every set and comment on everything. When I finally got around to doing whatever I could, everyone would be like LOL you obviously don't have the newest set! This was especially tough to keep track of considering there was no organized stickied thread in the WBR called like CURRENT BUILD with a convenient link in the OP. So much work was done in the IRC, which I made an effort to pop in every now and then (and I attended every meeting I knew of that I could make) but being active in the IRC was never a requirement of the WBR. In terms of Smash (because I have plenty of other things to worry about in life that aren't Smash related), I don't play just Brawl+ like most of you - I play Melee, Brawl, and Brawl+ and tend to try and keep a balance of all games. I've been a member of the SBR (now BBR) for over a year (I think it's been about a year) and that has taken up a lot of my time on SWF, and frankly has a much greater importance over the WBR because of how it's ran. And if you take into consideration the last 5 months or so, I've been a moderator as well needing to spend time modding my area, partaking in mod discussions, etc.
However, most of this is a moot point anyway because as far as I can tell, you've hardly began to touch removing the inactive WBR members like you said you have been doing, and I can check who is in the WBR to validate that point.
3. Sorry I asked a lot of questions, that's the kind of person I am. I want to make sure I'm doing everything right. Especially considering I was trying to work on coding and such (not just discussions), not all of the documented codes were explained well, and what do you expect me to do if I have problems? Fact of the matter is that when I went to these "bursts of questions," I was eager in helping out with the project and willing to devote time to it.
4. I never "demanded" to shift your focus away on anything. I'm sure you guys are capable of discussing a few things at a time right? One of the main things I can think of that fall under this is that I brought up multiple times the removal of luck from the game. Everytime I brought it up it spiked some good discussion, and I certainly wasn't the only person who was for the change as there were others that agreed with me as well, and overall helped offer ways to make these changes.
And as for why I would bring it up again and again, is because the topic would eventually just die off and the people who build the codesets and packaged them up for testing never did anything about it to even test it out.
5. Tourneys were being held with no consistent ruleset, so I took the time to organize everything into various stage votes the same way the SBR/BBR does to create the first official reccomended ruleset. And you're talking about it in a negative way? If YOU didn't want it back then you should have said so, but it seems that a lot of people appreciated it and a good amount took part of the discussions and voting. I originally started it without BtL2 in mind, but yes I did work to finish it up in time for then, but why shouldn't I? Not because it was my tournament, but because it was the biggest Brawl+ tournament yet.
As for me not even using the stage list, read back in the BtL2 thread and you will see why. Someone leaked out the stage list as it was being worked on and people HATED it. Some atrocious stages got on there, though that's not my fault, it's the fault of the WBR and the voters. And when I decided to go to a very conservative stage list for the sake of it being a huge tournament, people loved it and were very glad for that decision I made. If you compare the stages I used at the tourney compared to what I voted on, you'll note that I didn't even allow all of the stages I personally wanted legal.
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I have to leave for work now. More when I get home.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
It could have, sure, but it wasn't happening. Someone had to step up.
The way I see it, no one wants to be kicked out of a position of "power" (for lack of a better term), and no one wants to be the A-hole who has to kick people out. A lot of people should have been kicked out a long time ago, but Yeroc is generally a nice and non-confrontational guy, so it never happened until Cape set things into motion.
Why you got kicked out, well, you pretty much answered that yourself. You disappeared for long periods of time, and when you came back you were always pretty far out of the loop, and it didn't seem worth it to catch you up knowing you were going to disappear again. If you don't have time to check the WBR or hop on the IRC a few times a week at least to know what's going on, then you should probably step down and let someone more active take your place.
If there are any inactive members left who have little or nothing to contribute, they should be removed too.
B+ TOs were using rulesets just as consistent as vBrawl TOs. We all used the basic vBrawl ruleset. We all used 4 stocks unless there were time constraints. Stagelists differ just as much in vBrawl tourneys as they do in B+ tourneys. Putting out an "official" B+ ruleset wasn't exactly a priority because it was never a problem. An official stagelist would be nice but odds are it will be ignored by TOs just as much as the vBrawl one is.
I leaked the stagelist. So what? That was the final vote. There weren't going to be any changes unless the public demanded them. It was a crappy stagelist and you were right to adjust it. What incentive was there to hide it until later? The tourney-goers would've been just as pissed if the stagelist was revealed the day before the tourney or the month before.
PS - Please don't view any of this as a personal attack. I respect you as a player and a fellow TO and ROB main. I just think that your devotion to Brawl+ is unfortunately lacking, and so you shouldn't be so upset about being kicked out of the WBR.
Shell
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Eh, just a reminder. Cheers.
Did you just admit to leaking something out of the WBR O.o
Also, this is a pretty bad rebuttal as all you did was something like this.
Yeroc says A
Chibosempai replies as to why A is wrong
You repeat A
You basically said he was out of the loop for too longs, but you guys did not even leave the codeset on the WBR nor put any changelist up >.>
This thread has gone way out of control at the moment, this is a private matter, and I think it might be in everybody's best interest to lock this thread until further notice and sort it out in PM's instead of making it public.
Admissions will still be going on until January 6th as planned, but on the advice of those I talked to, it's best to lock it for now despite the warnings and punishments I've given.
Admissions will still be going on until January 6th as planned, but on the advice of those I talked to, it's best to lock it for now despite the warnings and punishments I've given.
Thread re-opened.
Apps due tonight.
Apps due tonight.
ThatGuyYouMightKnow
Smash Champion
Even though I can't see what may have been going on, shouldn't he have at least been able to follow the GSH2 thread, or post around in the IRC?
What he said was probably outside of GSH anyway.
But back OT, I'm curious, is Bio the only one processing the apps?
Veril
Frame Savant
<3
I'm a little sad that the applications aren't posted in this thread. I would have really liked to see some of them.
"nudges Bio"
shanus
Smash Hero
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There is an obvious reason why they aren't. Ask me in PMs if you'd like.
Veril
Frame Savant
I didn't say it was a bad idea to have the applications PMed instead of posted, just that it is unfortunate.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
the first round of wbr apps were public here in the thread and the same for bbr and mbr
Veril
Frame Savant
the last round of wbr apps also had a bonus question involving comics or some s***... ;p
: p
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
i think the more important question now is when can we expect to hear back on who is accepted, no?
None of it is handled by me, normally it would be Yeroc who gets the PM's but he can only have up to 50 PM's, while I can have 1,000; good enough accommodation for applications. I'm just the forwarder
shanus
Smash Hero
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Applications made public can provide multiple disincentives for new posters.
Here is a prime example:
Say a fantastic coder comes along with ridiculous knowledge of PSA, stage file structure, etc, but little tournament experience. He checks this thread, and finds an application from someone like say ChuDat, or the like. This player may see all this tournament experience and simply pass off the opportunity despite being a valuable resource.
the BBR and MBR are not nearly as diverse in attractive skillsets for acceptance, wherein they do not need to worry about deterring individuals of various skillsets. Fundamentally, privatized apps maximizes application quality, diversity, and does not restrict the pool.
There are other reasons too, but I'm too lazy to keep going.
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