Official Viability Ratings v2 | Competitive Impressions

[hypersonicJD]

Alrigh then. I'll try to get better with Greninja. By the way: Did EVO change any character match-up? Or any grasp of a specific character? Like Wii Fit Trainer thanks to John Numbers.

 

[zeldasmash]

Am i the only one that think's Mewtwo is an underrated character? He's got all the tools to be a great character: Excellent killing power, one of the best recoveries in the game, great dash attack, one of the best usmashes, powerful throws, a reflector, an excellent projectile and an extremely strong punish game. I think what holds him back is the fact that he is light as a feather and because of him being so light and large he has a tough time in neutral because he is basically at risk of any move.

 

[C0rvus]

Wii fit can crouch>ftilt in the same way Mega crouch>utilts since ftilt is a f4 kill move (lol). But wii fit doesn't force Zsam to do anything in midrange while Mega will constantly press his "neutral +" game against you.

Pellets beat doing nothing. And doing nothing is incredibly strong in this game. Lol @ bait and punish doesn't win.

The only character that get rewarded for doing nothing is Wario, since he gains Waft charge for simply existing. But, lemons are an interesting tool, very strong at midrange against most of the cast.

And idk, the lack of dash dancing makes bait and punish seem weaker. I would love to have my view changed, but if you have a lead in this game, you have little incentive to ever eat the bait, so to speak.

 

[bc1910]

Greninja's approach is fine. He has a lot of safe options, you just have to mix them up because some of them are reactable, but that's where baiting comes in. Greninja doesn't have any big weaknesses, even his OoS game is better than most people think (though it is his biggest real weakness, a normal grab would be great). Rather, he has a few smaller weaknesses, just like characters such as Fox, Mario and Wario all of which are very good. Greninja's biggest weakness is stigma over nerfs, and if I had to choose a big weakness for my character I'd take that over anything else.

As people learn more about the importance of MU spreads over tier position, faith in Greninja will rise. He doesn't lose to Pikachu by the way, Hydro Pump completely ruins Quick Attack. I've also labbed some stuff to make the Sonic MU better. Sheik is bad, but at least he can keep up with her mobility and outrange her. Plus, let's be realistic, there are probably more Sheik nerfs on the way. Not something to rely on but having a bad MU with Sheik probably isn't as bad as having a bad MU with Diddy (nerfed a ton) or ZSS (almost never been touched) at this point.

 

[Yonder]

Am i the only one that think's Mewtwo is an underrated character? He's got all the tools to be a great character: Excellent killing power, one of the best recoveries in the game, great dash attack, one of the best usmashes, powerful throws, a reflector, an excellent projectile and an extremely strong punish game. I think what holds him back is the fact that he is light as a feather and because of him being so light and large he has a tough time in neutral because he is basically at risk of any move.

He is a bit underrated as in I don't think he's bottom 10, but being big, floaty, and dying far too early really hurts. But his projectile is still amazing, and I'd also say dash attack, up throw, confusion, and d tilt are amongst the better moves in the game too. Fair is also really good at chaining and killing. And Mewtwo does have better survivability at times than certain characters with bad recoveries since Mewtwo's is amazing. I mean, he has no use or results sides Trela though that one time so actions speak louder than words. I think he's lower mid. Game and Watch though, who I though was lower mid, has proven himself a bit at EVO and I think he''s mid or upper mid now.

 

[FullMoon]

by the way, Hydro Pump completely ruins Quick Attack..

To touch on that now, something that's really nice about Greninja is that Hydro Pump messes with teleport recoveries really, really badly.

Those recoveries are among the safest in the game, so a character that can gimp those so safely is a pretty big thing.

This also makes Greninja probably the only character in the default metagame that can gimp Sheik's Vanish safely without putting himself in the range of the explosion.

 

[zeldasmash]

He is a bit underrated as in I don't think he's bottom 10, but being big, floaty, and dying far too early really hurts. But his projectile is still amazing, and I'd also say dash attack, up throw, confusion, and d tilt are amongst the better moves in the game too. Fair is also really good at chaining and killing. And Mewtwo does have better survivability at times than certain characters with bad recoveries since Mewtwo's is amazing. I mean, he has no use or results sides Trela though that one time so actions speak louder than words. I think he's lower mid. Game and Watch though, who I though was lower mid, has proven himself a bit at EVO and I think he''s mid or upper mid now.

Agree with you on Mr. Game & Watch. I used to think he wasn't anything special, but the fact that Mr. Game & Watch got pretty far at EVO was unexpected and we saw awesome play from him. I wish Mewtwo, Ganondorf & Samus get this treatment because they are underrated, and hopefully Link as well (the 2 Link's at EVO were not pleasant to say the least).

 

[Emblem Lord]

Greninja is not what I would call a safe character besides Shuriken zoning.

But yeah he is solid.

 

[Nu~]

To touch on that now, something that's really nice about Greninja is that Hydro Pump messes with teleport recoveries really, really badly.

Those recoveries are among the safest in the game, so a character that can gimp those so safely is a pretty big thing.

This also makes Greninja probably the only character in the default metagame that can gimp Sheik's Vanish safely without putting himself in the range of the explosion.

Oh, but he's not the only one

By placing a big item hitbox in front of the ledge, Pac-Man can deny any recovery that gets near it without harm

 

[hypersonicJD]

Mewtwo also has a really good Nair. And Bair protects him from attacks. That thing has a nice reach.

I will start playing with Greninja again. And I have always though that Greninja is even with Sheik. Maybe the Sheik's I battled aren't that good. But Greninja can keep up with her speed and can kill her as early as she can kill Greninja. But she has better approach options and throw combos.

 

[Yonder]

Mewtwo also has a really good Nair. And Bair protects him from attacks. That thing has a nice reach.

Nair is decent to rack damage and for setups, but bair has sadly misleading hit boxes at times. So I think it's just alright, not one of his better moves. D tilt has reach without any misleading hit boxes.

 

[Luco]

What tournament is this? Where is it?

Meltdown weeklies, I can't remember the name of the suburb but it's somewhere close-ish to Camden Town in the north of London. I'm going there tomorrow evening, so if you'd like to meet the man, the myth, the legend Luco himself (I'm really not that impressive lol don't worry guys <3 ) be there at like 5-ish? I would actually really love to meet you, I tried asking Afro Smash too but he said the travel wasn't worth it so I might just have to play him online. *sad*

Anyway, what the actual hell guys? appeared in top 32 twice and literally like 3 people mentioned it.

This character isn't low tier, AUSTRALIA WAS JUST THE FORESHADOWING OF A MUCH DARKER TIME TO COME.

Nah but seriously that's exciting and you should be freaking out about it. It's hilarious that just a moment ago she was put into the 11 characters that top players aren't scared of.

 

[NachoOfCheese]

To touch on that now, something that's really nice about Greninja is that Hydro Pump messes with teleport recoveries really, really badly.

Those recoveries are among the safest in the game, so a character that can gimp those so safely is a pretty big thing.

This also makes Greninja probably the only character in the default metagame that can gimp Sheik's Vanish safely without putting himself in the range of the explosion.

One of these days I'm gonna end up switching to Greninja because of you

 

[⑨ball]

It's hilarious that just a moment ago she was put into the 11 characters that top players aren't scared of.

You have to take this into consideration with how often players are likely to face one of the three reputable WFT mains (one of them being in Australia) and how many people were thinking of customs in this regard.

Dabuz for sure, does not like the custom WFT mu and has opted for Olimar everytime he faced one on stream.

 

[bc1910]

Meltdown weeklies, I can't remember the name of the suburb but it's somewhere close-ish to Camden Town in the north of London. I'm going there tomorrow evening, so if you'd like to meet the man, the myth, the legend Luco himself (I'm really not that impressive lol don't worry guys <3 ) be there at like 5-ish? I would actually really love to meet you, I tried asking Afro Smash too but he said the travel wasn't worth it so I might just have to play him online. *sad*

Anyway, what the actual hell guys? appeared in top 32 twice and literally like 3 people mentioned it.

This character isn't low tier, AUSTRALIA WAS JUST THE FORESHADOWING OF A MUCH DARKER TIME TO COME.

Nah but seriously that's exciting and you should be freaking out about it. It's hilarious that just a moment ago she was put into the 11 characters that top players aren't scared of.

Oh okay, I actually just got a full time job so I won't be able to make that. If it was on a weekend I'd have thought about it though.

 

[Snackss]

Greninja has a lot of minor issues that really add up. His Water Shuriken got badly nerfed and just doesn't do the job it should be doing as well as it needs to. He needs a fast projectile because he isn't a strong rushdown or mixup character, and they took that from him. His tilts are unsafe and have issues with knockback growth that turn punishes/ reads or up throw into his only KO options against certain characters. He has the tools in theory, but in practice it's incredibly difficult to maintain and doesn't add up to a character that really has a single, clearly-defined edge over anyone else other than "goes fast."
People also always bring up the slow standing grab, and it sucks, but I assume it's the trade-off for having one of the best dash grabs, which also has a 10 frame faster recovery than some characters' dash grabs.

I don't play enough Wii Fit to understand where they should go. They have too many obvious issues to go right into high tier, but the off-stage and projectile also makes them pretty scary.

 

[Luco]

Oh okay, I actually just got a full time job so I won't be able to make that. If it was on a weekend I'd have thought about it though.

Well you're no fun. :<

Thankfully I think there's some kind of tournament also happening this upcoming weekend. If it's somewhere in the London area I'll probably try to make my way to that also. We can also play online in the mean-time.

You have to take this into consideration with how often players are likely to face one of the three reputable WFT mains (one of them being in Australia) and how many people were thinking of customs in this regard.

Dabuz for sure, does not like the custom WFT mu and has opted for Olimar everytime he faced one on stream.

Of course, the exposure has been less-than-great until now, but I hope after this performance her usage will increase. She's shown she's got the potential in the right hands to do quite well. John Numbers is great. I wish he posted around here more often like he used to.

 

[FullMoon]

Oh, but he's not the only one

By placing a big item hitbox in front of the ledge, Pac-Man can deny any recovery that gets near it without harm

Okay that's actually pretty cool.

Still, there's a lot of setup for doing this that might not make it that practical.

For instance, after throwing Sheik offstage you need to

A) Generate the melon (I'm guessing the others just go too fast to catch or take longer to create)

B) Throw it and dash attack in order catch it

C) Position the item just right at the ledge

All that while Sheik is recovering, I can only see Pac-Man doing that if he already has a melon ready, which I can't imagine will be very often. Meanwhile all Greninja needs to do is send her offstange and stand at the ledge and read her recovery path.

Don't get me wrong I bet it does work out well when it does but it's a lot less practical than just spraying Sheik with water.

One of these days I'm gonna end up switching to Greninja because of you

Doooo eeet

The frog propaganda is working /o/

Greninja is not what I would call a safe character besides Shuriken zoning.

But yeah he is solid.

He's not very safe, no, his only safe moves are F-Tilt and F-Air when they're spaced right. N-Air can't be shield grabbed if spaced well too but I think faster moves might still be able to hit him.

If you space yourself right Greninja can be surprisingly safe and since he has the mobility to weave around with ease, getting space with him is not that hard. It still requires a lot of precision. aMSa spaces himself with F-Air really well but it doesn't look like he practiced much with the new F-Tilt yet

In order to be safe with Greninja you need to be really on point with your positioning which is another thing that raises his skill ceiling quite a bit. I do believe the reward is worth it though.

 

[⑨ball]

Of course, the exposure has been less-than-great until now, but I hope after this performance her usage will increase. She's shown she's got the potential in the right hands to do quite well. John Numbers is great. I wish he posted around here more often like he used to.

Doubtful to change anything. WFT's results have always been higher than her tier placement would suggest when she has good players behind her, but it doesn't change the fact that she has very real issues that need to be looked at. Customs helps mitigate some of these, but they still exist, which ontop of her high skill floor makes for a very unappealing character to play. Peach tends to be in the same boat with much less extreme states to further discourage her play.

 

[Nu~]

Okay that's actually pretty cool.

Still, there's a lot of setup for doing this that might not make it that practical.

For instance, after throwing Sheik offstage you need to

A) Generate the melon (I'm guessing the others just go too fast to catch or take longer to create)

B) Throw it and dash attack in order catch it

C) Position the item just right at the ledge

All that while Sheik is recovering, I can only see Pac-Man doing that if he already has a melon ready, which I can't imagine will be very often. Meanwhile all Greninja needs to do is send her offstange and stand at the ledge and read her recovery path.

Don't get me wrong I bet it does work out well when it does but it's a lot less practical than just spraying Sheik with water.

Which is exactly why I use a new way of retrieving the melon. You can throw it at the stage and re catch it like you can do with the key, only the melon is easier since it travels back to you horizontally. After catching it, you can start the set up from there. Every other fruit flies too fast to just levitate by the ledge (this is way too easy with the lazy fruit though, but that's a customs environment).

So it isn't that hard to set up, but definitely requires more effort than greninja's hydro pump shenanigans.

 

[bc1910]

@ Luco That's fine, I can add your friend code tomorrow. I'll put mine on here too, I just keep forgetting lol.

Oh and it's laughable to brush off "goes fast" as if it doesn't mean anything when mobility is the most important trait in the game. The only top tier who isn't uber-mobile is Rosalina, who has a space pillow to make up for it.

I can at least agree that having the old shurikens would go a long way toward fixing most of his problems though. Give them back and Greninja is an instant high tier with nowhere to go but up.

 

[Luco]

Doubtful to change anything. WFT's results have always been higher than her tier placement would suggest when she has good players behind her, but it doesn't change the fact that she has very real issues that need to be looked at. Customs helps mitigate some of these, but they still exist, which ontop of her high skill floor makes for a very unappealing character to play. Peach tends to be in the same boat with much less extreme states to further discourage her play.

Right, but the fact is she's proven she can somewhat stand even with these flaws when other good players with other good characters have failed. I don't think this character can viably be called bottom tier or possibly even low tier, like, at all. Not when the only other characters that got 2 or more placings in top 32 were all hilariously top tier.

EDIT:

x2

Seriously, please stare at this line again. Does it not bore into your brain?

Oh, also, EVO was land of the well-placing villagers, but to what extent was it customs and to what extent was it players? I have a high opinion of Villager in both customs on and off, although an argument could be made that the balloon nerfs did something in a few match-ups.

 

[adom4]

Right, but the fact is she's proven she can somewhat stand even with these flaws when other good players with other good characters have failed. I don't think this character can viably be called bottom tier or possibly even low tier, like, at all. Not when the only other characters that got 2 or more placings in top 32 were all hilariously top tier.

Oh, also, EVO was land of the well-placing villagers, but to what extent was it customs and to what extent was it players? I have a high opinion of Villager in both customs on and off, although an argument could be made that the balloon nerfs did something in a few match-ups.

The only Villager that crutched on customs was captain awesome, SS & MJG played very well & didn't try to stall.
I do think custom Villager is a problem but i say give more time, at least until the next patch, last patch they tried to nerf custom Villager by nerfing the balloons & i think it shows that they know to some extent as to what's going on in the metagame.

 

[RayNoire]

Am i the only one that think's Mewtwo is an underrated character? He's got all the tools to be a great character: Excellent killing power, one of the best recoveries in the game, great dash attack, one of the best usmashes, powerful throws, a reflector, an excellent projectile and an extremely strong punish game. I think what holds him back is the fact that he is light as a feather and because of him being so light and large he has a tough time in neutral because he is basically at risk of any move.

He also has:

The largest hurtbox in the game (Much bigger than his actual body)

Extremely poor and misleading hitboxes on many key moves, including all forms of grab

One of the worst disadvantage states

Bottom-tier traction that makes a lot of moves safe on his shield

Actually pretty bad throws aside from Uthrow

Very bad frame data (No move below frame 6; no aerial below frame 7)

Very few safe moves

...Basically, name a weakness other than killing and damage, and Mewtwo has it. He may not be the worst character, but he definitely belongs in the conversation.

 

[adom4]

He also has:

The largest hurtbox in the game (Much bigger than his actual body)

Extremely poor and misleading hitboxes on many key moves, including all forms of grab

One of the worst disadvantage states

Bottom-tier traction that makes a lot of moves safe on his shield

Actually pretty bad throws aside from Uthrow

Very bad frame data (No move below frame 6; no aerial below frame 7)

Very few safe moves

...Basically, name a weakness other than killing and damage, and Mewtwo has it. He may not be the worst character, but he definitely belongs in the conversation.

Out of curiousity, who do you think Mewtwo beats?
I really can't think of a character he beats so i figured asking the Mewtwo main would be a better idea.

 

[Snackss]

@ Luco That's fine, I can add your friend code tomorrow. I'll put mine on here too, I just keep forgetting lol.

Oh and it's laughable to brush off "goes fast" as if it doesn't mean anything when mobility is the most important trait in the game. The only top tier who isn't uber-mobile is Rosalina, who has a space pillow to make up for it.

I can at least agree that having the old shurikens would go a long way toward fixing most of his problems though. Give them back and Greninja is an instant high tier with nowhere to go but up.

I only brush it off because Sheik is the current #1, so nobody is going to be particularly impressed by the frog that nobody knows how to play being able to move quickly as well.
Really want that shuriken fix though.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Does Shiek have any bad match ups or even match ups? I honestly can't think of any really. So I guess my other question is what character has the best chance to go even or beat Shiek? On another note I have been messing with buffed Charizard and I personally think with his spacing, grab combos, kill throw, and insane kill power is the best heavy or close to it. I think he should be about where Ike is honestly. Any thoughts?

Charizard's theory is growing, and I recall that a Charizard lately took a game from a Sheik in a tournament? That's some good news for Charizard, sure. But I still think that as it stands in terms of heavies, Ike and DK are still superiour. Still, Charizard on Customs is crazy. And he definitely has a lot of cool options and shenanigans going for him. I feel he's underrated as it is. But he's not the best heavy. If we count Wario to, that title definitely belongs to Wario first, then Ike, but DK and Charizard could actually be just about even... DK just has a lot more pressence.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Can we drop the delusion that Zard has a chance against Sheik?

That one match was Bloodcross (arguably the best Zard) against a random Sheik in pools.

 

[RayNoire]

Out of curiousity, who do you think Mewtwo beats?
I really can't think of a character he beats so i figured asking the Mewtwo main would be a better idea.

We tend to beat characters whose height/fall speed and lack of combo-breaker options allow us to rack up damage fast and kill early with Jab to Disable. So basically heavies (Except Ganon for some reason, also **** that MU) and light heavyweights like Link, ROB, etc.

We also beat Villager (Although we struggle with EBT) and have an okay Rosalina MU, which is nice.

Fast and aggressive characters like Fox and Mario destroy us. Those MUs are among the most lopsided in the game in my opinion.

Actually I'd imagine our MU spread is pretty similar to Zelda's.

 

[exnecross]

I feel like Zero is top tier rather than Sheik. Mr. R, Die Nasty, False, etc are not nearly as convincing. Sheik is definitely one of the best, but I have to wonder how much of an impact Zero has had on her perceived viability.

 

[Antonykun]

We also beat Villager (Although we struggle with EBT) and have an okay Rosalina MU, which is nice.

please explain

 

[Firefoxx]

I feel like Zero is top tier rather than Sheik. Mr. R, Die Nasty, False, etc are not nearly as convincing. Sheik is definitely one of the best, but I have to wonder how much of an impact Zero has had on her perceived viability.

2nd place to ZeRo at the biggest tournament ever isn't convincing?????

edit: oh and Mr. R's other loss was to Nairo who he then beat later???

And top 32 was like 1/4th Sheik

 

[RayNoire]

please explain

We exploit Villager's blind spot pretty well in advantage. We also have a reflector and can't be gimped.

As for Rosalina, Dtilt, fair, and dash attack all send Luma into tumble, and she can't easily escape Usmash landing traps, which also kill her very early.

There's more to both obviously but that's the gist.

 

[Snackss]

I feel like Zero is top tier rather than Sheik. Mr. R, Die Nasty, False, etc are not nearly as convincing. Sheik is definitely one of the best, but I have to wonder how much of an impact Zero has had on her perceived viability.

None. Everyone already knew Sheik was #1 or #2 even when everybody was playing Diddy, she just didn't have the absurd KO power that Diddy did, so why bother?

 

[Shaya]

It's a sad thing, but the best strategy against WiiFit genuinely is time out.
And it's not the opponent's fault at all, it's wii fit.
The character's entire meta is punishing you attempting to punish her spamming dodges in front of your face when you're close and being as happy as rain if you're not within mid range. She will never approach you or anyone. If you let her, she's passively gaining health and suddenly gaining sub 100% kill power. If she gets hit off stage or above a character's full hop above the ground she's getting a free Sun Salutation charge and will spend the next 30 seconds as invulnerable against 90% of the cast.

Ever wondered why Samus can't charge her B in the air (beyond replicating original game mechanics)?
She's honestly worse than Brawl Wario to fight. She's a distinctively disgusting play style and game plan and you should be happy she doesn't appear in your scene.
Her cancel window for her two charges is way too low to be honest... #SaltyShaya, but the character has a good forward tilt, good damage dealing combos and then is campier/less counter play to her lame than Custom Villager.
Like, if charizard reads a needle charge from sheik he can dragon rush that and Sheik can struggle to shield in time. Wii Fit can start a charge and cancel it 2 times in the same window. It honestly doesn't make sense.

Customs on/off I don't think she's bottom 10. But she's definitely the most frustrating character out of high tier. She isn't fun to play against at all. I look forward to many "lame" match ups in all smash games (although ICs in Brawl eventually broke the camel's back), but I would take Hammer Dash Sonics, plankager and cyclone kong over competent Wii Fit. Everyone of the aforementioned have disadvantaged states.... WiiFit just doesn't play Smash Bros and forces a game of PvE "5-10 frame vulnerability windows with directional air dodges" or take 30% for trying... so... why try? There's absolutely no reason whatsoever for a character to fight wiifit because she just is never ever going to be playing the same game as you are.

Anyway, not to take away from Wave (or any wiifit), he's likely the best player in our country and the character isn't easy by any means either. But I do wish I was always in a situation of gaining pressure by passive actions through muscle memory and then allowing all my focus to be reacting to feeble mid-range advances.

 

[Nobie]

Characters I think Mewtwo has at least a slight advantage against:



Mewtwo in general has a good time against larger characters because he doesn't have to worry as much about his attacks whiffing. Charizard in particular is I think vulnerable to this because he doesn't have quite the kill power of the other heavies (though still a good amount). Another big thing is that Flare Blitz is a really bad idea against Mewtwo. Like, people say that you shouldn't Flare Blitz against anyone, but Mewtwo can literally shield, dash forward and instantly do one of the strongest up smashes in the game.

I know some people disagree with this, but I think Mewtwo still does well against Lucario, winning neutral, neutralizing Aura Sphere, and being able to exploit holes in offense with some strong attacks.

Re: Villager, Mewtwo's Reflect can be baited but the large Reflect Window can be nasty. Dash attacks get tossed aside. Reflecting lloid rocket at close range will simultaneously pick up Villager AND launch the rocket into him. Slingshots off the ledge can also get eaten by reflect.

Closer to 5:5

This isn't to say all of the other characters are 4:6 or worse, I just haven't thought as much about them. Also somewhat ironically I think Mewtwo's best against himself.

 

[RayNoire]

Characters I think Mewtwo has at least a slight advantage against:



Mewtwo in general has a good time against larger characters because he doesn't have to worry as much about his attacks whiffing. Charizard in particular is I think vulnerable to this because he doesn't have quite the kill power of the other heavies (though still a good amount). Another big thing is that Flare Blitz is a really bad idea against Mewtwo. Like, people say that you shouldn't Flare Blitz against anyone, but Mewtwo can literally shield, dash forward and instantly do one of the strongest up smashes in the game.

I know some people disagree with this, but I think Mewtwo still does well against Lucario, winning neutral, neutralizing Aura Sphere, and being able to exploit holes in offense with some strong attacks.

Re: Villager, Mewtwo's Reflect can be baited but the large Reflect Window can be nasty. Dash attacks get tossed aside. Reflecting lloid rocket at close range will simultaneously pick up Villager AND launch the rocket into him. Slingshots off the ledge can also get eaten by reflect.

Closer to 5:5

This isn't to say all of the other characters are 4:6 or worse, I just haven't thought as much about them. Also somewhat ironically I think Mewtwo's best against himself.

Charizard is a bigger kill threat to us than the other (non-Ganon) heavies, but I do still like that MU.

Lucario's even I think. I don't have theory on this one, just feels.

 

[Kofu]

We exploit Villager's blind spot pretty well in advantage. We also have a reflector and can't be gimped.

As for Rosalina, Dtilt, fair, and dash attack all send Luma into tumble, and she can't easily escape Usmash landing traps, which also kill her very early.

There's more to both obviously but that's the gist.

Mewtwo's complete combo bait for Villager and even if we're being careless with our slingshots I'm not scared of Confusion because of how weak they are at range. Frame 3 NAir breaks combos, UAir and DAir are disjointed. Shadow Ball is super risky, if we Pocket a fully-charged one you can die to it as low as 10% from center stage. I'm not super scared of you reflecting it, either, since we can just Pocket it again. The only thing Confusion makes me wary of is trying to gimp you with FSmash. Sure, you can edgeguard us with default balloons but who can't?

Long story short, in my experience as soon as Mewtwo gets in disadvantage he gets bodied by Villager. And if you think Villager loses to Zelda too you're mistaken.

 

[Ffamran]

Ray, Wisconsin doesn't have notable Villagers, right? There is a notable Zelda, Link, Ganondorf, and Sheik... Really, Wisconsin? Really? You don't have a notable Toon Link? WE COULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN FOR MAINING HYRULE!

In case nobody knows what I'm talking about.

... Pit, Link, Triple D, and Robin... Great, it's going to be a rough ride for Falco... At least there isn't a Rosalina. *Rayquaza visits Wisconsin*

 

[hypersonicJD]

Diddy Kong It's really fun to play now. I like him :O

By the way, Yoshi didn't appear in EVO :O

Why does Diddy Kong's Banana is still so great? Is it the fact that you can re-grab it anytime you want? or just the banana pressure itself?