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By no means is -2 undoable, it just means the odds are fairly strongly against you. Anything beyond that is a hard counter though. I think the set defined the mu pretty well though, although on average I think Falcon gets gimped more (contrary to what the commentators said I think he would've been dead in the game that he won if False didn't drop down and get up b'd).
Tweek is the truth. I wonder if this will change ESAM's opinion of BowJow?
Why are you so happy about it?
I was referring to Ryu's up B there, not Roy's. Thought I was clear enough, guess not. I was just referring to Roy being underused and underdeveloped too. And, as someone else said I guess Ryu is only invincible on startup.
i think it changes from 3 to 21? I remember it being 21~28
She's above average in all forms of movement except for air control where she's one of the highest along with Yoshi, Palutena, and Peach. That's the part where she becomes really slippery. Rosalina being floaty means nothing since Peach and Yoshi are floaty too and they glide around the stage. It only hurts her with survivability, but that's if you can hit her.
Not to mention that there's maybe like five people in the entire world that actually main the character. He suffers from the same problem as WFT and Megaman, a lot of potential but almost no one plays as them. This is probably the biggest advantage that these players have right now but at the cost of their metagame taking longer to develop.
20 frames. It's great.
Not happy, just shocked. He's not the absolute best Smash 4 player, but I figured he would have adjusted much better during the set.
The fart is the biggest trump card that this game has to offer. I've seen so many ridiculous comebacks with that move alone that I'm surprised that there are still people who argue that Wario is less than high tier.
Yeah it's a pretty ongoing thought, but it's a lie (well maybe at low level he does?). Mega doesn't really keep luigi away because pellets don't reset space, he just chips some damage and gets rekt by luigi once he can't run back anymore.
I've seen 6wx and that's about it. It's not that I'm not paying attention it's just that I don't believe anyone can give a full potential analysis of the character who hasn't been out that long. Not trying to start some kind of flame war just expressing how I feel.
But... but the ZSS mains tell me you can DI the upair->UpB strings? Shouldn't Dabuz be able to do this, since he plays against ZSS all the time? Or were they LYING?
You can sometimes get out of it with good DI, but I think it's also guaranteed sometimes.
Why? BowJow is obviously a character who excels when he actually has a chance to do stuff and like use his koopalings but gets destroyed hard by those that can shut him down.
Not sure. He really emphasized Bowser Jr. getting gimped easily out of his upB from weak hits. Not sure how much we saw of that being capitalized or attempted much.
Spacing with Mega Man isn't just pellet spam. If you just keep doing backwards hopping pelletx3, of course you're going to get caught. You need to mix up single, double, and triple lemons with forward and backward hops, as well as simply walking.
To be fair:
Trifroze
On character size, I would agree but as I said below, Nario was pulling this **** off on PIkachu.I really don't know any more.
Maybe that's because he only goes for it when he's sure that he'll get it? I see him do u-air chains without following up with up-b sometimes, even though the up-b seems like it would connect. I assume it's because he knows that it wouldn't be guaranteed?EDIT: @
I really don't know any more.
The Up B usually fails when the Uair knocks them too high and they get hit by the second half of the Up B, so they pop out before the final kick.
However in my experience as long as you start Up B right next to them and don't move to the left or right, they can DI however they want but they're gonna get hit with the whole move.
I used to think ZSS' Uair Up B ladder required very specific percent ranges but Nairo pulls it off almost every time he goes for it, even on tiny characters like Pikachu. So maybe it just requires, y'know, some practice. Or rather, even though the percent range is still specific, it's far from tiny.
Considering Nairo's consistency, I don't think "they can fall out of Up B" is much of a defense any more.
Well i was trying to be brief with my explanation :x
And how would that be?
He jumps with a metalblade in hand and uses leafsheild. Then he starts rolling towards you and gets in safely.
No he doesn't. Outside of a possible(?) Downb shield break he could've gotten on him, he played that fine.
for the final top 8 @sktar, am i missing someone? thoughts?
No, he kept doing grab punishes that could and should have been up smashes. He whiffed punishes really bad.
Just a regional. This SKTAR had minimal advertising and pretty much no out of region names. Even M2K is originally from NJ. Nebulous in NYC still got 92 entrants today.
How? Besides KO and weight, how does Bowser beat Link? Link has basically a better everything then Bowser: better disadvantage state, more range, more defensive capabilities, can actually land due to projectiles, has one of the best ledge trump games, can edge-guard better, has one of the best grab games, has a better recovery due to having the ability to mix it up, much better pressure due to projectiles, better OoS options (though Whirling Fortress is good) and you're basically forced to play his neutral if at a disadvantage.
