VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[crismas]

LOLOLOL omg Jaden...in regards to upsmash you should do my ********, combo dash attack, usmash, dash attack usmash then nair edgeguard ROFL. I remember you were soo confused.

 

[Cia]

I think everybody saw Vidjo's Dsmsah-->Peach Bomber on spacies at Pound4. It only works if you predict their missed tech, but he did it twice and I screamed both times.

LOL.. that's why i do Dsmash > jab reset > peach bomber.

there's no need to guess =]

Crismas - LOL.. I REMEMBER that!!!! i couldn't believe there was enough stun from the weak Usmash hit to let you follow up with Dsmash.

Oh.. and I have this combo on scribz. I forgot how it started, but it ended with Dash attack > Weak Usmash > Broken Usmash.

I have to VM teco to see if he can upload those matches.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Dtilt bomber still works.
I'm applying a lot more of they campish stratagies you've given me, vanz, and it's worked out better each time. me and proverbs are playing with more people tomorow, I'll see what I can show you and get some critique.

 

[bladeofapollo]

LOL.. that's why i do Dsmash > jab reset > peach bomber.

there's no need to guess =]

Jab reset is smart, I'll have to try that. Do you have to move back first so that the Bomber doesn't move past them, or does it work in place?

 

[The Irish Mafia]

what are peaches' b moves that aren't umbrella tricksies and turnip stuff doing in this thread
I played with a good fox yesterday and got ***** most of the day. I'm still working on not being a ****** while playing 100 % of the time, and I'm making some progress. I keep on messing up my shield pressure and oos nairs, I guess I need to work on that

 

[thesage]

I like using bomber to mindgame my recovery and stall. I was using it a bit too much in pound 4 cuz I wanted to practice it lol.

 

[Cia]

Jab reset is smart, I'll have to try that. Do you have to move back first so that the Bomber doesn't move past them, or does it work in place?

only if they SDI the jab toward you, then yeah. just take a small step back first.

I love doing that because it's humiliating even though it's unavoidable

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Does it even do good damage? What's the point? you could do pivot usmash or some sneaky trick to use the reset better

 

[Cia]

because it's humiliating

to answer your question Mafia.

and the best responses follow ups after jab reset will ALWAYS be grab, Dsmash, or FC aerial. Grab more often than not.

 

[bladeofapollo]

I believe it does 16%, which is solid damage, but the combo DOES end after that. It's just for fun, remember why we play this game.

 

[john!]

to answer your question Mafia.

and the best responses follow ups after jab reset will ALWAYS be grab, Dsmash, or FC aerial. Grab more often than not.

I sometimes do dtilt...

 

[DoH]

I think if you do a smash bomber it does 18%

 

[ChivalRuse]

John, your sig is godly.

 

[Cia]

lol.. 2010 metagame = more peach bombers

and yeah, that's one of the most creative sigs i've ever seen.

 

[crismas]

HAHAHA oh...god...

I can just see it now...

MOST EMBARRASSING SMASH MOMENTS a new combo video staring VANZ, let's see how many times he can embarrass his opponent!

 

[_Keno_]

smash bomber

Are there two different peach bombers? One smash and one normal? I thought this for a while, but I could never figure it out. Does one just have a longer reach?

 

[Rain(ame)]

I don't know how I did it...but I was playing Reik and I did Turnip -> Peach Bomber. It was weird....

 

[MacD]

Are there two different peach bombers? One smash and one normal? I thought this for a while, but I could never figure it out. Does one just have a longer reach?

yea, the easiest way to tell is when you try to wall bomb, you have to smash bomb to hit the wall again, it's the reason why people miss

 

[Cia]

HAHAHA oh...god...

I can just see it now...

MOST EMBARRASSING SMASH MOMENTS a new combo video staring VANZ, let's see how many times he can embarrass his opponent!

Funny you should say this. I'm uploading a test combo video tonight (for a different character) and I'm going to use the feedback to help me finish the Apex hype video, and my Peach combo video. But a good portion of the clips are just so defaming.. haha.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

I wanna see that

 

[Kouryuu]

Hey Vanz (or anyone else), can you let me know where I can find the frame data for Peach's moves (and if possible, every other characters as well)?

Thanks.

 

[ChivalRuse]

http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/frames.html

 

[Kouryuu]

Thanks.

 

[Requiem]

peach bomber double jump peach bomber.

It happens, and always makes me feel dirty aftwerwards :/

 

[VA]

to answer your question Mafia.

and the best responses follow ups after jab reset will ALWAYS be grab, Dsmash, or FC aerial. Grab more often than not.

On spacies a nice thing is reset > FC uair > grab. I posted this a while ago, it's good.

Also http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9457434#post9457434

Watch my videos. I think my peach does some interesting things that not many other peach players do. Dtilt edgegaurd into fair/nair is one thing. My play from the edge is weird, prbably massively punishable but interesting to look at I guess. I use toad loads too xD

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Yeah I forgot who put reset uair grab. I do that now, or uair > uair > armadacomboooooo

 

[MacD]

haha i'm so bad at this game, if i jab reset someone somehow i miss my spacing and go to far and miss the grab XD \


i'm sooooooooooo good

EDIT: i watched winners finals vanity, i liked the first commentator a lot, british accents were too good, and when the 2nd guy said "this isn't a fashion show" i busted up laughing

though idk about advice for you, sorry

 

[Meverse]

how du u face a dr.mario/mario with peach? this matchup seems 2 trouble me?

 

[GSUB]

how du u face a dr.mario/mario with peach? this matchup seems 2 trouble me?

Float cancel bairs through their pills/fire, and it hits them after because it stays out. Literally just spam those bairs. I zero to deathed with just bairs once.
The usual spaced float canceled fair.

and don't get grabbed.
That usually gets me by pretty good.

And if they recover high with falling pills, just float under the pills (under him) offstage, and nair or bair him, easy edge-guard.
but I think against peach they're supposed to recover low.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

My main troubles with doc was ledgeguarding. Well spaced dair nair works, I think. The matchup is very very dependent on bairs, just spam that move.
agressive FC nairs tends to work for me, I don't like spacing fairs a lot in the matchup because of the utilt, it's priority beats out overhead approaches. My aerials are generally off the ground. One thing you need to do is float Fairs off the ground, if you space it correctly it can outrange pretty much all of doc's moves.

 

[Cia]

Dtilt edgegaurd into fair/nair is one thing.

I do this against Ganon EVERYTIME. Your playstyle seems interesting tho. =]

 

[bladeofapollo]

how du u face a dr.mario/mario with peach? this matchup seems 2 trouble me?

The way Exarch described the Mario match-up to me was:

Float just above his Usmash range and you'll never be in danger of dying. He's gonna combo you to 100%, but he won't kill you until 180%. You just have to out-last/gimp him.

As for Doc, similar to Mario, just watch for Fairs. They are WAY more deadly than Usmash.

 

[VA]

I do this against Ganon EVERYTIME. Your playstyle seems interesting tho. =]

Thanks ^_^

I'm working on being more consistent, my main issue is lack of high level practice. I'm going to a big euro tournament in April, so watch out for me taking Armada out in Peach ditto. I'm going to toad him to death.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheWaffle77#p/u

Guys guys lookie here
Looks like Hella's back, and, well, losing. A lot.

 

[MacD]

i didn't even know hella was at R3 wtf, and i know he was maining ganon the last few things he went to

weird stuff

 

[Rosedemon]

Eh, Nicks not really BACK back, but he does go to the occasional tourny, and he usually plays Ganon.

You cant really knock him for losing to Ky, he knows the Peach match up very well, and hes very decent albeit not all that consistent. (I play him all the time)

 

[The Irish Mafia]

He showed me his "hella DBR" diabetes dog tag at genesis. We then discussed the falco player who was in DBR for about a week.

 

[pockyD]

that was a great story, thank god i read it

 

[MacD]

pocky do you just read like every thread on smashboards

 

[crismas]

So, I was playing Teczero tonight, and he used Fox for a few and it went something like this:

dtilt > dash attack > falling fair off stage



I wish that recorded.

But actually I played 483902849302 Peach dittos with him and they were some of the best I've ever played. Yay, fun! Just wish we had all those recorded cause we kinda gayed each other.