VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[Rosedemon]

Roll, Roll, Grab.

 

[Cia]

Roll, Roll, Grab.

I would DIE if I saw this happen.

 

[MacD]

lol omg alan i love you

and vanz it did happen

we've dubbed it the jfox combo, let me see if i can find it

 

[DoH]

omg jfox Xelic has moved on to black jinjo. you're sol

 

[MacD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mODRxwkUFJc

8:05 go go go

lol doh, don't act like you aren't sad too

 

[Cia]

HAHAHAHAHAHA.. that sounds like Jfox 100%

either way, I'm favoriting that video instantly. You guys come up with the most humiliating Peach techniques.

I'm gonna invent the toad > peach bomber combo.

 

[crismas]

LOL omg...

 

[MacD]

i'm trying to figure out fall off the ledge, reverse toad a falco or something, and make sure they get hit by that one spore that spikes them, and since it's falco, he'll die... omg that sounds amzaing

or fall off reverse/toad a fox, then float out of toad and fair

omg amazing!!!!!!

ps vanz the video is above your post if you didn't see it

 

[Cia]

LOOOOOOL

that's freaking hilarious!! was that Light or Jfox?

 

[Rosedemon]

That was light, but it was such a jfox thing to do.

 

[DoH]

sad about what? Xelic is too skinny and black jinjo is too short. I need a man like chosen one unfffff

 

[john!]

i'm trying to figure out fall off the ledge, reverse toad a falco or something, and make sure they get hit by that one spore that spikes them, and since it's falco, he'll die... omg that sounds amzaing

Toadgames are WAY TOO GOOD for recovery.

Like if you're barely below the ledge and you jump, they'll always try to hit you...

...but then you TOAD their *** and since Toad lifts you up a bit, you get onstage anyway and commence further ****.

Another opportunity is when spacies try to go offstage and hit you... because they have such a small window of time in which their double jump can reach... you can usually toad them safely.

 

[Rosedemon]

OR you could NOT toad.

That usually works.

 

[john!]

OR you could accept it as yet another mixup in Peach's arsenal... you can never have too many options.

 

[JustCallMeJay]

We should dub me cocksmacking MacD in the face a Jfox combo.

 

[DoH]

MacD is like a foot taller than you. o_O

 

[JustCallMeJay]

so you're saying you want to be the one to pull off the combo? thats cool, just name it after me

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Vanz/MacD:
You guys need to understand just how much melee I am playing. Not even joking, I am usually playing 4 days a week against legitimate players, most of who are better than me, so I think you can excuse me when I'm a little skeptical that playing more is the answer. I've been consistently improving for a long time, but not at the rate I'd like to, and I haven't come close to a skill level where I'm satisfied with my playing. I'm trying to get some perspective on my playstyle and really trying to forget most of the thing's I've assumed about peach.

So Jfox is back? Cool i guess

 

[Eval]

I had Black Jinjo in my pool. He's sooo cute but... too short cause Im 6'4'' :/...

Tod is really situational... Pulling toad once or twice in a whole set can be good but after that its just too risky to do it. (even doing it twice is)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZazEMtZRPw#t=4m35s <-- Mind **** toad to **** lol...

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Toad doesn't work. Like really if you do it don't do it again even if it worked it's just such a bad idea

Before I get all the "herp de derp it has this one application when recovering" or whatever, it's still a predictable and punishable move that hurts more than it helps. I've experimented with it and get burned pretty much every time.

 

[Eval]

Toad doesn't work. Like really if you do it don't do it again even if it worked it's just such a bad idea

That's what Im exactly saying, lol. Risk reward is not enough... the chance of getting **** after the first time you use it is 99.9%.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

yeah
So a while ago we were discussing CP stages for marth, and I think I finally realized the best option, assuming it isn't banned: DL64. You live plenty from all his tipper bull****, the high platforms save you from utilt and auto-tipper fsmash while giving you options to come down, and you have room to get away from him/make him approach.
This or DK 64 because it gives you more options while recovering which is important to avoid the cstick of doooooom

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Marth is just gnna **** you regardless of stage. We dnt need BS tippers cuz you guys always like to DI into Ken Comboes...cept Vanz

 

[Rain(ame)]

Mafia- Maybe he means play more people? O_o I know that's my problem. I don't have enough people practice. Plus, it's kind of hard playing the people that'll be critical of me so I get what I'm doing wrong. (One of the reasons I'm said I didn't get to play VaNz over the weekend.)

HBK- sadly you are correct, xD. I haven't been hit by nearly as many Ken combos as I thought I would...but I find myself nearly getting hit by them.

 

[Rosedemon]

Jfox - Get *****.

DoH - LMAO.

Eval - You're mad cute in person.

Mafia - Just CP DK64. The slants make f-throw --> tipper difficult, its a big stage, barrel can help against a ken combo, and you can pull a Pink Shinobi and camp him to death.

MacD - We're ****ing amazing.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Yeah, if anyone needs to learn the marth matchup with peach or vice versa, talk to god**** husband and wife. According to husband if you DI Marth's Fthrow down and out and then neutral tech following up is virtually impossible.


Edit: LOL JFOXES ICON

 

[JustCallMeJay]

i see whats happening now. rosedemon is trying to score some virtual a$$ via a message board by going into a room filled with a bunch of f*gs. where better than the peach boards...

now i can see why im the odd man out, its cuz i prefer vag. well, in that case, good luck with the cybersex kids

 

[Rosedemon]

That wasnt a nice thing to say.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

I think Jfox is mad cause he lost to MattDotZeb in tournament.
Him and a Roy main. On Mute City.

 

[Cia]

You guys need to cool off for a while. So I'm temporarily closing this thread.

..

Oh wait, I can't do that -_-

 

[JustCallMeJay]

mafia, you're wayy to easy. ill let this one go

its been fun kids! see ya around

 

[MacD]

too much hype after a big tourney!!!!!!!!

alan we are pretty amazing

and god, why do i have to be so ugly/take bad pics

EDIT: DoH i'm ********, when i said you're jealous, i totally misread your post oh well

 

[The Irish Mafia]

So I played some matches today and did my best to absorb your advice, vanz. The vids'll be up soon, I just tried to play more to your advice than my usual "chase them down and attack" method

 

[Cia]

^ nice. how did you do overall? did changing your playstyle feel better or worse?

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also, i've got about 4 mins 59 secs of combo footage. So, my combo video should be out sometime during Feb. Raaaaape.

 

[ConnorTheKid]

I just read the past 2 pages. Jfox is awesome LOL

IrishMafia you are the most motivated player I've seen.

Also, playing a lot encourages bad habits. You could be playing the same people everyday the same way and not notice the bad habits you do all the time.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Connor you don't know how bad I need to be good. Thanks.

Vanz, the major changes I made was I played a lot campier, and mostly forced him to approach. Whenever I saw the window to follow up an attack, I tried to reconsider and decide if I'd get punished/if it would work. I played a couple matched with this style and a couple with my regular style, and a few with a fusion. The fusion worked but not just doing what you told me ended up getting me kneed the least.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUT8eDOYXPc&feature=sub
this is me doing a bit of both. I could've been a little less offensive but it's my first try and I'm getting to be a little campier. I noticed a lot of spots where I didn't have to attack but did anyway. Any and all critique is welcome. More vids to come, probably.

 

[Rosedemon]

Ew, camping in a friendly?

I hate that.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

It's for a good purpose.

 

[Quaz]

you coast people are lucky you have people by you to play against. I barely have anyone good to play against at a regular basis. (well I have some people but man we're nothing compared to the coasts). I really feel like I'm supposed to be really good now but I don't think I can improve at all anymore.

tldr midwest johns, I suck, I might stop taking melee as seriously as I did before =(

 

[The Irish Mafia]

So here's 3 matches of me using my new style. In retrospect it doesn't show especially in these matches, but this was my first try and overhauling your entire playstyle is tricky.
Fun things happen at 2:36

Mute if needed, he puts the videos over jazz

all recomendations/advice/commentary/world views are welcome