_lemons
Smash Journeyman
I hate stadium vs falcon. I dunno if it's because he has so much room to run around or what, but I'm not a fan. Also, some of the little oddities in the transformations bother me.
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VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)
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Rosedemon
Smash Champion
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Too broke to go to Apex, but if we both happen to be at a national, lets do it!
Also, GSG stage set sucked.
We've been using the Pound 4 ruleset in Norcal for a while, and its so bland, especially when you play double Peach. Lack of a 2nd small stage for teams, and only having big CAMPY stages to CP in singles really does suck.
Im also confident I lost to Hax because hes year better than me, NOT because I CP'd Kongo.
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
imo you can **** falcon on PS until the transformations start
VA
Smash Hero
Ew, I hate stadium against Falcon, I'd ban it. He runs circles round me there.
DoH
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Falcons always counterpick me to Stadium...
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
he wins as soon as he gets space and on ps that happens in 30 seconds
ok this might call for something that resembles a discussion: Neutral stages where falcon beats peach? FoD's the go-to, but it seems like falcons are slowly figuring that stage out and it's not really cutting it. BF's good but there's no gain or loss, so you can just hope to outplay the falcon there. We've been over the PS gayness. What about FD? zero to 80 cg, and falcon has no options while recovering. you can tech chase and combo freely there, it doesn't seem like the worst option
ok this might call for something that resembles a discussion: Neutral stages where falcon beats peach? FoD's the go-to, but it seems like falcons are slowly figuring that stage out and it's not really cutting it. BF's good but there's no gain or loss, so you can just hope to outplay the falcon there. We've been over the PS gayness. What about FD? zero to 80 cg, and falcon has no options while recovering. you can tech chase and combo freely there, it doesn't seem like the worst option
DoH
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Fd is where I take everyone
MacD
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like i said, cruise and brinstar were banned, and he banned FD, i'd go FD against falcon, FD and dreamland
i hate battlefield, personal vendetta i guess, idk i just seem to lose to falcons there
FoD is now meh to me
yoshi's can go either way
stadium i see them pick but you never know, i think it might be nice except for the stupid transformations
brinstar i'll pick even if the falcon likes it
dk64... idk feels just too big, especially against like hax who will camp
and cruise is cruise so yea
i hate battlefield, personal vendetta i guess, idk i just seem to lose to falcons there
FoD is now meh to me
yoshi's can go either way
stadium i see them pick but you never know, i think it might be nice except for the stupid transformations
brinstar i'll pick even if the falcon likes it
dk64... idk feels just too big, especially against like hax who will camp
and cruise is cruise so yea
DoH
meleeitonme.tumblr.com
This is why we need mute city
MacD
Banned via Administration
nah, not really
i just need them to ban either brinstar or FD so i can go to the other one, if both are banned then i'm kinda screwed
i just need them to ban either brinstar or FD so i can go to the other one, if both are banned then i'm kinda screwed
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Hey anyone else remember when the neutrals were like PokeStad, Yoshi, FD, FoD, BF, Dl64 and then the cps were like Green Greens, Corneria, Cruise, Floats, Brinstar, Mute City, Japes, KJ64?
At least they got rid of green greens.
God that stage is the ****en worst.
God that stage is the ****en worst.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFkQp3Fygj8#t=2m32s
Promptly after the happening of this match Swiftbass declares that when me and Vanz team, we break the game
Clearly its just Vanz being too good at this game LOL
Promptly after the happening of this match Swiftbass declares that when me and Vanz team, we break the game
Clearly its just Vanz being too good at this game LOL
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
^ LOL
new vids of armada are up from ESA4. http://www.youtube.com/user/porc1989#p/u/11/rhyIbD8Nkic
porc's channel will probably get most people's fix of the beast of sweden
new vids of armada are up from ESA4. http://www.youtube.com/user/porc1989#p/u/11/rhyIbD8Nkic
porc's channel will probably get most people's fix of the beast of sweden
Cia
das kwl
aaaah.. i do! game was sooo good.
teco - you ***** 30000x harder than i did. i just threw out attacks. thanks for carrying.
Vanz be trollin.
Cia
das kwl
naaaaaaah..
in other news, I think i'm going to start using toad more. homie gets me out of so many close calls.
in other news, I think i'm going to start using toad more. homie gets me out of so many close calls.
TheGeneral
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Lol, gay teams are the best teams. I would love to be at a tourney with you guys so that I could see the crowd reaction when you team
My friend and I have a link peach team. SOOO stupid, lol. Spacies beware.
And falco is gay
You know how you said all you can do is roll out of dair shine pressure, Vanz.... well I can't even do that anymore. My timing is so messed up. That's what I get for not playing for like 2 days ( uggh why? ) I feel like all you can do against falco is avoid him until he puts himself in a bad position.
My friend and I have a link peach team. SOOO stupid, lol. Spacies beware.
And falco is gay
You know how you said all you can do is roll out of dair shine pressure, Vanz.... well I can't even do that anymore. My timing is so messed up. That's what I get for not playing for like 2 days ( uggh why? ) I feel like all you can do against falco is avoid him until he puts himself in a bad position.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
That ****ing Dragon like makes it to the cave by the time you can move.
Toad needs more love.
You're a bad person and should feel bad.
TheGeneral
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Aww but, KK ....
That's the only thing I really enjoy in smash anymore. And I already feel bad :embarrass
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Then crush your enemies with homosexuality.
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Are we talking about Diddy Kong Racing in here or is there another dragon that makes it to the cave before you can ****ing move?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I think you're making a ***** joke but I can't tell.
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No, I'm not. Cmon now, that'd be quite immature. DKR is serious business KK.
Cia
das kwl
HAHAHA i know!!!
I was like 9ish playing that game and I was stuck on the second dragon race for a while
DoH
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When I read gay teams I thought he meant like when Xelic and I teamed. The world could not handle our giggles
VA
Smash Hero
i've been saying this for tiiiiiiime, toad is absolutely so good. just make sure you use reverse toad when necessary.
Jartravious
Smash Journeyman
Reverse toad?
VA
Smash Hero
you don't know what reverse toad is? omg...
MacD
Banned via Administration
probably cause it's really useless
all you guys said it does it let you come back on stage with a bair... i guess that's good, except now you can't grab the ledge, unless you fall down and up-b
i can't really think of a situation/character where coming down with bair is even gonna be useful
all you guys said it does it let you come back on stage with a bair... i guess that's good, except now you can't grab the ledge, unless you fall down and up-b
i can't really think of a situation/character where coming down with bair is even gonna be useful
The Irish Mafia
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toad in general just isn't good
i'm sorry but i use him on accident and it pays off sometimes but he's just so **** situational that you need to suprise even yourself for him to be any use
i mean there isn't really any one situation where you think "oh yeah, toad is completely safe there" because it's a useless move
don't use toad
i'm sorry but i use him on accident and it pays off sometimes but he's just so **** situational that you need to suprise even yourself for him to be any use
i mean there isn't really any one situation where you think "oh yeah, toad is completely safe there" because it's a useless move
don't use toad
VA
Smash Hero
lol, you don't know how good toad is. reverse toad is really awesome and of course situational. I'll just have to show you I guess.
MacD
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now see, that's also wrong @ irish (ninja'd )
if you make a read he pays off, you can learn against some characters, there are actually moments it'll work/be "safe"
toad is basically like airdodge but it's slower but it does damage and will probably put you in a better situation than you were, but if you, it's a lot easier to punish than airdodge
i mean don't go around using it like all the time, but it worked in tourney for me, recently against iori's ganon and i think some falco
)if you make a read he pays off, you can learn against some characters, there are actually moments it'll work/be "safe"
toad is basically like airdodge but it's slower but it does damage and will probably put you in a better situation than you were, but if you, it's a lot easier to punish than airdodge
i mean don't go around using it like all the time, but it worked in tourney for me, recently against iori's ganon and i think some falco
The Irish Mafia
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no i've tried it
returning to the stage with bair is cute and all but tbqh you'd probably do just as well doing a reverse bair and praying
for one thing peaches bair is good but you can't just expect it to plow through their attacks, especially while they're ledgeguarding.
Toad in general is a completely ****ty version of counter and attempting to apply it in your game in probably any matchup will decrease your skill as a player.
IMO.
@macD
i've tried applying it in my game at times and in my experience it's just a "do it once while recovering, never do it again" trick. I fooled around with toad a bit and i really just don't think he's worth using
however i can agree with the airdodge+ statement, but you can get ***** harder for a whiffed toad than a predicted airdodge
returning to the stage with bair is cute and all but tbqh you'd probably do just as well doing a reverse bair and praying
for one thing peaches bair is good but you can't just expect it to plow through their attacks, especially while they're ledgeguarding.
Toad in general is a completely ****ty version of counter and attempting to apply it in your game in probably any matchup will decrease your skill as a player.
IMO.
@macD
i've tried applying it in my game at times and in my experience it's just a "do it once while recovering, never do it again" trick. I fooled around with toad a bit and i really just don't think he's worth using
however i can agree with the airdodge+ statement, but you can get ***** harder for a whiffed toad than a predicted airdodge
MacD
Banned via Administration
off the top of my head, i can see it being useful against ganon and marth... maybe that's just cause that's who i've had success using it against
and i assume we are all talking about when recovering, because otherwise toad is useless, and if you accidentally use it, you either get lucky, or get a charged upsmash in the face and lose the set
ugh, i hope you guys see this edit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRc_k9yzmU&feature=channel
toad at :40
predicted airdodge i can still get *****, maybe grabbed by a ganon, utilt from marth, upsmash from fox, etc
my like 4th edit, i doubt i would normally toad that high, but in the moment could see him going for it
also after the opponent double jumps if you use toad, you are pretty safe cause if they miss, they have to land again
and i assume we are all talking about when recovering, because otherwise toad is useless, and if you accidentally use it, you either get lucky, or get a charged upsmash in the face and lose the set
ugh, i hope you guys see this edit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRc_k9yzmU&feature=channel
toad at :40
predicted airdodge i can still get *****, maybe grabbed by a ganon, utilt from marth, upsmash from fox, etc
my like 4th edit, i doubt i would normally toad that high, but in the moment could see him going for it
also after the opponent double jumps if you use toad, you are pretty safe cause if they miss, they have to land again
VA
Smash Hero
Your mindset is actually what makes toad good. Most people think toad is useless therefore discount the few situations where he is actually a good play to make. Don't use toad on stage, it's primarily a weird recovery tactic.
I've used this on Zgetto (in doubles):
Consider you've been shined and you have your double jump but not your float, or you do have your float or whatever. Fox is grabbing the edge. You ride the wall and as you get close you reverse toad (if you don't reverse the shine doesn't hit the toad hurtbox and you get shined). The toad spores will either, hit the fox and the toad spores make you go up then down (if they get hit on stage sometimes they auto reset). Or they will reflect on you and you get hit upwards back onto the stage. It is highly unexpected...
Why is that bad?
I've used this on Zgetto (in doubles):
Consider you've been shined and you have your double jump but not your float, or you do have your float or whatever. Fox is grabbing the edge. You ride the wall and as you get close you reverse toad (if you don't reverse the shine doesn't hit the toad hurtbox and you get shined). The toad spores will either, hit the fox and the toad spores make you go up then down (if they get hit on stage sometimes they auto reset). Or they will reflect on you and you get hit upwards back onto the stage. It is highly unexpected...
Why is that bad?