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VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)
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Xyzz
Smash Champion
Brb practicing my luck manipulation skills to get the bomb at the end lol :D
PandaCobo
Smash Apprentice
is there a good approach to laser campy falco besides just floating above the lasers?
Xyzz
Smash Champion
Powershield > stuff if you can get it.
Hit him before he gets a laser out if he attempts to shoot to close (or sorta trade with him).
Not much else... We can't really fullhop approach over them like Fox because we're too slow for that, or dash attack under them like Sheik / Marth, because we don't bend down quite as much (:
Hit him before he gets a laser out if he attempts to shoot to close (or sorta trade with him).
Not much else... We can't really fullhop approach over them like Fox because we're too slow for that, or dash attack under them like Sheik / Marth, because we don't bend down quite as much (:
PandaCobo
Smash Apprentice
dang haha that's what i figured 
. well i guess i will have to get better at powershielding. Is there anything to do against puffs??
. well i guess i will have to get better at powershielding. Is there anything to do against puffs??
Xyzz
Smash Champion
You don't really have to. Peach does fine against Falco without power shielding a single laser. The important parts about the match up are that you have the basic idea of how to get to the floating height and your punishes and edge guards do heavy damage to him.
Vs puff: Pick a different character :trollface: :x
On a more serious note: ShroudedOne has a really good post on the matter: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14820170&postcount=11658
Vs puff: Pick a different character :trollface: :x
On a more serious note: ShroudedOne has a really good post on the matter: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14820170&postcount=11658
MacD
Banned via Administration
so i just read your critique.
it's funny with some of the things you said, others would probably know they were just me being bad with tech skill stuff.
otherwise i guess it's k, you are thinking and you seem to have a good sense about what is good/not.
it's funny with some of the things you said, others would probably know they were just me being bad with tech skill stuff.
otherwise i guess it's k, you are thinking and you seem to have a good sense about what is good/not.
Ryobeat
Smash Ace
What are some things that aren't so good about that critique?
yeah your movement did seem slow, I realized in the critique that I never said generally what was wrong, just pointed out stuff LOL, I'll critique better in the future.Also to Falco stuff, just get the perfect height to float at down, then at that point they have a few options;
A. Try to do FH lasers to get you, which is kinda risky.
B. Try to hit you with some SH attack that won't hit.
C. FH aerial you, which is a little tough to land AND you can just trade.
D. He can platform cancel phantasm you
which is perfect.
PandaCobo
Smash Apprentice
Yeah I realized against falco. Once of the stage I can almost always get the kill. And thanks for showing me that post it will be very helpful.
Ryobeat
Smash Ace
No problem! If you have other questions, feel free to ask!Yeah I realized against falco. Once of the stage I can almost always get the kill. And thanks for showing me that post it will be very helpful.
Xyzz
Smash Champion
You forgot "E. be a little ****** and camp on the top platform till float runs out" :D
(also you aren't serious about phantasm, are you?)
Ryobeat
Smash Ace
LOLOLOLOL . I forgot about that part about the float running out, explain further? I get that the float runs out eventually, but would you put them in a bad enough situation that they wont be able to get up there? Cause you wouldn't just float, you would threaten/come down with an attack or move. Also if he's on the top platform and you are floating at perfect laser height, how would parasol work on that?
-About the phantasm, honestly I want to try that out. IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I think Phantasm across the stage is alot more usefull the ganon down B or Falcon kick as a random mix up. I could be COMPLETELY wrong.
Xyzz
Smash Champion
The main idea of going to the top platform is to move away in time if you get in range to threaten something... but yeah you can sometimes catch him on his way down / away if he isn't careful. Preventing him from getting there is also possible, but can be pretty hard since his full jump is so fast.
It's just another option for him, not unbeatable or anything, but certainly helpful. I think the main problem is that it's not really a 'solution' but more of a 'postponement' thing, since he might not be able to stop you from regaining your floating position
I wouldn't really parasol in that situation, I'd try DJ > uair (/ nair / fair depending on stuff) or empty DJ > grab, or just land on the main stage and grab a free turnip (or try to read his movement and punish in whatever way you see fit).
Regarding phantsam: You're completely wrong, sorry Phantasm is super good for moving away, but it's pretty bad as an attacking move. The hitboxes on Ganon / Falcon down b are horrid, the phantsam ones are even worse. They are LITERALLY behind his hurtboxes :D
If you say you can trade with his fullhop aerial things (I think full hop nair has some merit and is underused for Falco in that situation (especially if the Peach player gets predictable with his fair timing, Falco can hit him before the fair starts) you should be easily able to do with phantasm (especially if he wants to edgecancel he only has certain windows of opportunity so it's kinda obvious when it's coming).
It's just another option for him, not unbeatable or anything, but certainly helpful. I think the main problem is that it's not really a 'solution' but more of a 'postponement' thing, since he might not be able to stop you from regaining your floating position
I wouldn't really parasol in that situation, I'd try DJ > uair (/ nair / fair depending on stuff) or empty DJ > grab, or just land on the main stage and grab a free turnip (or try to read his movement and punish in whatever way you see fit).
Regarding phantsam: You're completely wrong, sorry
Phantasm is super good for moving away, but it's pretty bad as an attacking move. The hitboxes on Ganon / Falcon down b are horrid, the phantsam ones are even worse. They are LITERALLY behind his hurtboxes :DIf you say you can trade with his fullhop aerial things (I think full hop nair has some merit and is underused for Falco in that situation (especially if the Peach player gets predictable with his fair timing, Falco can hit him before the fair starts) you should be easily able to do with phantasm (especially if he wants to edgecancel he only has certain windows of opportunity so it's kinda obvious when it's coming).
Anand
Smash Journeyman
I thought Ganon's down-B had pretty good hitboxes.
knightpraetor
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kind of curious, does bair really hit below the stage? i know i tested it with mahone and got it a couple times, but i was using the same timing and it missed a lot. is dair really the only answer? cause the dair only hits for two frames so it's really easy to miss and trade. I was watching armada play leffen and he went flying to up+B. it's probably still worth it..but mahone definitely teases me every time i edgeguard and get firefox comboed
Cia
das kwl
HAHAHA.
I love it when you use Peach in your TAS vids.
+1 Fan
Take notes Peaches. This is how it's done.
MacD
Banned via Administration
http://youtu.be/DtUiRf5KD5E?t=1m8s
I WAS ROBBED, ROBBED I TELL YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shoutouts to alan for being hype
I WAS ROBBED, ROBBED I TELL YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shoutouts to alan for being hype
VA
Smash Hero
MacD
Banned via Administration
people are praising leffen vs peach?? i was hardly impressed
almost certain i would have destroyed him if i was up on my game
almost certain i would have destroyed him if i was up on my game
crush
Smash Master
JJTheJetPlane
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Hey guys I play Peach but I have a lot of problems against Fox. He moves around fast and I can't keep track of him at all. =(
MacD
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if i was up on my game, i wouldn't have needed to CP
a lot of that had to do with rusty BS too. i do better against different foxes on different stages. i never pick dreamland cause i'm scared of PEW PEW PEW. it's too bad i hate battlefield with a passion. that stage would be pretty good half the time i bet.
VA
Smash Hero
to be clear, i do not praise leffen for his vs peach ability he sucks at everything imo.
Wake
Smash Master
Yeah I really don't like DL against Fox, but BF is awesome.
MacD! Ugh... that was so close
MacD! Ugh... that was so close
JJTheJetPlane
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I like BF against Fox since the lack of wall at the edge makes it really easy to edgeguard him (unless he can up-b to the top platform then he has lots of options). It also makes him randomly miss his side b recovery.
I would not pick DL against a Fox that can laser camp you. It's very annoying.
How is Armada so good at landing random uairs against Fox? He's too good.
I would not pick DL against a Fox that can laser camp you. It's very annoying.
How is Armada so good at landing random uairs against Fox? He's too good.
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Foxes like jumping OoS vs Peach shield pressure cause we like down smashing (a lot). His uairs look hella random, but he's just preying on the urge Foxes have to jump out of their shields when he hits them.
He also gets them when Fox is trying to get from the side platform to the top one, because this is a go to for platform camping Fox. He'll position himself in between the top plat and the side plat where the Fox is, looking for the jump (this position is pretty good in general for us vs Fox cause it lets us defend from his attacks really well.
He also gets them when Fox is trying to get from the side platform to the top one, because this is a go to for platform camping Fox. He'll position himself in between the top plat and the side plat where the Fox is, looking for the jump (this position is pretty good in general for us vs Fox cause it lets us defend from his attacks really well.
JJTheJetPlane
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Thanks for that ShroudedOne. Definitely gonna add that into my game now. Nice to know about another option now for shield mixups. Really smart of Armada to think of something like that.
Peach is mad good at pressuring shields. Except against Zelda D=
Peach is mad good at pressuring shields. Except against Zelda D=
Xyzz
Smash Champion
FC aerial > grab is working just fine :D
I'd just avoid stuff that risks getting kicked in the face by her
I'd just avoid stuff that risks getting kicked in the face by her
Heero Yuy
#sweg
I can't seem to Vidjo Drop... I understand the concept a little, with the whole throwing turnips while floating, but I have no clue how to execute it. First off, is it necessary to learn to begin with?
john!
Smash Hero
i don't think pros use vidjo-dropping very often and it's definitely not required for playing peach
Heero Yuy
#sweg
I kinda noticed, myself, that pros don't use it which is why I asked that in my last post. Thanks for letting me know!
Xyzz
Smash Champion
Learning how to vidjo drop is about as necessary as learning to recover with the peach bomber :D
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I dunno if that's meant to belittle the importance of the bomber recovery but it's actually really useful so don't hate on it >.>
Vidjo drop's uses elude me but I'm sure they're there.
Vidjo drop's uses elude me but I'm sure they're there.
DoH
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It's good when you have a bomb. You can dair their shield, vidjo drop and parasol out of there without getting your jihad on
knightpraetor
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yay, useful information. Thanks DoH.
DoH
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Also sometimes I'll vidjo drop when I'm recovering with a turnip to retain my float, then cross back behind the turnip when i'm landing so it acts as a wall
JJTheJetPlane
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2005 meta right here. lol. It still works though.
Xyzz
Smash Champion
It's just I've seen precisely ONE instance of a Peach doing several peach bombers into a successful recovery, and I watch pretty much all Peach matches I can get my hands on
It might have its uses, but it just seems so situational that I'd rather spend the time practicing other things that are more important.
knightpraetor
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yeah, i think a vidjo drop when really high up with peach in a float can be good on FD and stadium. I will definitely play with it some.
ok time for the stupid questions. I'm bad at peach so probably there is something i don't understand ( I only just figured out how armada manages to hold a turnip between stocks and now suddenly peach is so much better)
I keep watching armada play vs amsah's sheik and don't understand how he gets shield grabbed so little. He only got shield grabbed once in the two rounds that i watched. I understand that peach has good defensive options like dsmashing or jabbing when she hits a shield or if she is perfectly spaced can move out before it hits..but he was not perfectly spaced like half the time yet the sheik seemed too scared to grab even though peach's dsmash/jab is probably not going to lead to nearly as good of a setup as sheik getting her grab. Why not just risk waiting out the jab sometimes? I feel like he never did that.
is it just an issue of not wanting his battle plan to rely on shield grabbing since it's not guaranteed? my practice partner seems content to take those guesses and see who gets a harder punish when he's wrong. If the sheik jumps out properly it seems like she beats instant dsmash, and if she waits she can beat jab. Isn't sheik going to get more combo percentage than peach if they trade like that?
ok time for the stupid questions. I'm bad at peach so probably there is something i don't understand ( I only just figured out how armada manages to hold a turnip between stocks and now suddenly peach is so much better)
I keep watching armada play vs amsah's sheik and don't understand how he gets shield grabbed so little. He only got shield grabbed once in the two rounds that i watched. I understand that peach has good defensive options like dsmashing or jabbing when she hits a shield or if she is perfectly spaced can move out before it hits..but he was not perfectly spaced like half the time yet the sheik seemed too scared to grab even though peach's dsmash/jab is probably not going to lead to nearly as good of a setup as sheik getting her grab. Why not just risk waiting out the jab sometimes? I feel like he never did that.
is it just an issue of not wanting his battle plan to rely on shield grabbing since it's not guaranteed? my practice partner seems content to take those guesses and see who gets a harder punish when he's wrong. If the sheik jumps out properly it seems like she beats instant dsmash, and if she waits she can beat jab. Isn't sheik going to get more combo percentage than peach if they trade like that?