VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[ShroudedOne]

I've never really understood how to use dair, outside of some shield pressure vs Sheik, and edgeguarding.

 

[Rosedemon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXRjc7b0p9A

The Super Rainboyz Saga continues...

 

[MacD]

i was hoping you'd link the other match

gonna have to time stamp that

 

[Strong Badam]

there was no hope for them

 

[Cia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXRjc7b0p9A

The Super Rainboyz Saga continues...

i died @ the kage tag.

 

[MacD]

but the real question is

do you know who was wearing the kage tag???

 

[KirbyKaze]

Alan is using the KK tag.

 

[Rosedemon]

How'd you come to that conclusion?

 

[KirbyKaze]

McCain doesn't play Marth

And I think your Sheik looked more technical than that when I saw it in Cali

I just kind of skimmed so if I'm wrong lmk

 

[ConnorTheKid]

dayum KK way too good

he somehow knew McCain doesn't play Marth because it wouldn't make sense for the Marth Slayer to play Marth

 

[MacD]

WTF DO YOU MEAN I DON'T PLAY MARTH

http://youtu.be/vj9WwjSvZQo?t=2m20s

FREAKING HATER

 

[Xyzz]

Might be I'm mighty mistaken but tp the uneducated eye that Marth looks like he's more or less wildly flailing his sword around without a concrete clue what to do (kinda like my own one :D)

 

[Rosedemon]

Oh god Mccain your marth looks so janky

 

[DoH]

McCain's smash style translates to his sex life to be honest. When he's Peach, booty aggression and glomping. As Marth, flailing and confusion.

 

[ConnorTheKid]

not gonna lie, I loved the shield -> nothing -> dsmash punish McCain did at 5:48.

 

[MacD]

so what do peach and marth stand for in my sex life

 

[ShroudedOne]

The cycle continues.

I think DoH sums it up rather well, MacD.

 

[Wake]

Somehow it always gets to McCain's sex life specifically. lol.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Somehow it always gets to McCain's sex life specifically. lol.

Or lack thereof.

 

[MacD]

well damn

 

[Wake]

You know we love you McCain.

 

[Rosedemon]

KK was banned?

I call bull****

 

[Xyzz]

Didn't he decide he needed a break from the boards before, and wouldn't be able to resist without external limitations?

 

[Rosedemon]

Something of the nature

 

[Tomber]

I've been practicing Peach's chain grab on fast fallers lately and I was wondering if it matters if I JC when I go for the regrab. Is it easier to do with JC grabs than with normal dash grabs?

 

[ShroudedOne]

No. Dash grab is always better. It has more range, and they both (her JC and dash grab) come out on frame 7.

 

[Tomber]

Cool, thanks. For some reason I thought it was better to always JC the grabs. Good to know that isn't the case.

 

[DoH]

Dash grab has more lag though iirc

 

[Xyzz]

Standing grab has 30 frames total, dash grab 40. Hopefully shouldn't matter for CGs though :D

With Sheik it's better to use one over the other at times because of where the hitboxes start, I don't think it's important for Peach though.

 

[ShroudedOne]

It only matters if you miss.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8988396&postcount=6016

So we can DI out of downthrow > knee. Dunno how difficult this is to perform consistently (we still get uaired, too, apparently), but if this IS possible, this MU will shift to our favor. Not dying from a grab at 90% is AMAZING.

Maybe I'm the last to find out about this, too. If so, then oops.

 

[BladeWise]

Yea, I always DI hard away or down away and then mash jump + air dodge together to avoid knee. It works, but falcon's still stupid fast, so I still get caught off guard sometimes.

 

[.Ðempt]

So. Hi.

So what's the fastest way to dish out low NAirs? DJC'd ones or Float Cancelled ones? And which one has less lag?

Jaiye, Jaden, I was never here damnit. Need to maintain my Marth/Spacie status/rep/****. >_>

 

[MacD]

it's float cancelled for both

and the only reason i'm answering is so i can ask this questions without being a complete d-bag

how the **** is that not common knowledge now?? is it just cause i'm used to peach mains/good players?? i would have figured that only super new players or total noobs wouldn't know that

 

[ShroudedOne]

Yeah, it's....painfully obvious, Dempt. Like...wow. Lol. DJC nairs aren't even worth the effort....

 

[Wake]

Dempt uses Peach now?

 

[JamesBJames]

"DJC nairs are really useful." - no one ever

 

[Juushichi]

HankyPanky, you're drunk. Go to bed.

 

[Xyzz]

But he's right, the only people using djc to do aerials right above the ground are Mewtwos and stuff, no Peaches ever.
We can kinda use DJC to create weird approach angles at time, but that's like one opportunity every tourney (and a FC would've sufficed in it as well).

 

[Juushichi]

Oh, I know he's right.

I'm ****ing with him, lol.

EDIT: Get out of here, Clowsui.

 

[Wake]

DJC aerials have uses. Watch Armada.