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VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

crush

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idk yet

yeah ive seen pictures of macD molesting various people
also if macD was reincarnated as himself and he wanted to speedrun life making **** whistles would be the optimal strategy
 
ConnorTheKid

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apparently I thought you were the crush that's been playing LoL with me and MacD

I just....I don't know anymore...
 
MacD

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crush said:
haha youre afraid of the dark too?
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LOOOOOOOOL

this is so adorable omg

MrMaxAdler said:
your jangle cow better be 5 good next time we play
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

omg connor, LOOOOOOOOOOL

too good

also, to show a photo to anyone from facebook, you right click the photo (assuming it's not in that theater mode or whatever), then either click view photo and copy the link, or click copy image location and badda bing badda boom, you get this

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.ne..._206590360209_716690209_4305329_1662556_n.jpg

and don't worry crush, you know i don't play melee anymore. just ask the people in so cal, i haven't gone to any tournies since my trip to the EC, and only like 1-2 between genesis and my trip to the EC
 
Wake

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Thank you Based Mimi.
darkatma

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thesage said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMCJW3ZR9r4&feature=g-all-u&context=G2a7cbc6FAAAAAAAAAAA

Tell me how to improve.
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Match 1:
From what I saw, you have some trouble getting down from platforms or down from the air against marth. I would suggest utilizing some double jump canceled attacks to change your aerial momentum and switch where you land, also you absolutely need to untumble from marth's attacks and use your airdodge/fastfall to get down. In terms of getting down from platforms, a good way is to shield an attack on the platform, groundfloat out of float and immediately fastfall through and do a nair.

I like that you use copious amounts of grab, which is generally good if a marth shields a lot.

Your rolling habits are questionable. Go back through and look at when your rolls work and when they don't. There are many times where when you land you don't need to roll, and should instead do a dash attack or just dash away or towards.

All in all the best way to improve your game is to tighten your spacing. You should understand exactly how far you need to be to dodge an fsmash, as well as an uptilt. The marth matchup is about forcing mistakes, and if marth throws out many first moves and whiffs, it's easy punishing.


Match 2:
Bleh Luigi.. you need to understand the way he spaces a little better.. Luigi only controls large amounts of space when he's on the ground and able to wavedash around.. as soon as he's in the air he controls a much smaller amount of space.

A good way to avoid getting naired is to be directly under luigi, and then use upairs. Dsmash is not a good move in the matchup, but shielding becomes very useful. I find it funny that Korn has no idea how to DI the dthrow loll. Also, you should be buffering some DI during dsmashes, not getting sent straight up to your death at such low percents.

As soon as luigi grabs the ledge you should back off with a retreating float, to bait a ledge attack and punish with fairs. Also many times you could've waited for his nair instead of jumping out, then punished with a nair out of shield.

I don't agree with your loss in either of these matches LOL
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Would anyone like to critique my matches as well?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GarSuZ_tzQ vs mackadotious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2RQXE8yNrE vs zhu
Not linking WF because I went sheik mostly and got ***** lol
 
Palpi

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darkatma said:
Match 1:
From what I saw, you have some trouble getting down from platforms or down from the air against marth. I would suggest utilizing some double jump canceled attacks to change your aerial momentum and switch where you land, also you absolutely need to untumble from marth's attacks and use your airdodge/fastfall to get down. In terms of getting down from platforms, a good way is to shield an attack on the platform, groundfloat out of float and immediately fastfall through and do a nair.

I like that you use copious amounts of grab, which is generally good if a marth shields a lot.

Your rolling habits are questionable. Go back through and look at when your rolls work and when they don't. There are many times where when you land you don't need to roll, and should instead do a dash attack or just dash away or towards.

All in all the best way to improve your game is to tighten your spacing. You should understand exactly how far you need to be to dodge an fsmash, as well as an uptilt. The marth matchup is about forcing mistakes, and if marth throws out many first moves and whiffs, it's easy punishing.


Match 2:
Bleh Luigi.. you need to understand the way he spaces a little better.. Luigi only controls large amounts of space when he's on the ground and able to wavedash around.. as soon as he's in the air he controls a much smaller amount of space.

A good way to avoid getting naired is to be directly under luigi, and then use upairs. Dsmash is not a good move in the matchup, but shielding becomes very useful. I find it funny that Korn has no idea how to DI the dthrow loll. Also, you should be buffering some DI during dsmashes, not getting sent straight up to your death at such low percents.

As soon as luigi grabs the ledge you should back off with a retreating float, to bait a ledge attack and punish with fairs. Also many times you could've waited for his nair instead of jumping out, then punished with a nair out of shield.

I don't agree with your loss in either of these matches LOL
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Would anyone like to critique my matches as well?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GarSuZ_tzQ vs mackadotious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2RQXE8yNrE vs zhu
Not linking WF because I went sheik mostly and got ***** lol
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I don't have time to help in great detail, but here are a couple things I noticed.

You tried to over extend combos when there was no chance of the move connecting. There was a couple situations where you tried to dash attack zhu before he hit the ground and teched, but he was too far away. Instead of throwing away the dash attack you should be thinking of the tech chase at this point. Even if you can't follow up the tech chase perfectly, you can nair->dsmash/fair->grab if they are in shield (because of the expected dash attack).

You also were throwing out way too many dash attacks, but it didn't seem very noticeable until yoshi's.

I know recovering is hard as peach, but the air dodge was getting pretty obvious, but I could probably say that about most peach players including myself lol.

Be more confident out of shield, I feel like you could have gotten more successful OoS Nairs.

I like your peach a lot, hopefully someone with more experience and time can look at your matches, but keep it up!
 
Batmansince1939

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I peaked in ssbm with peach, and how do i break it?
I know you need to know alot more, but it be easier if i could build off any questions that first come to mind?

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N.A.G.A.C.E

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ShroudedOne said:
And the DJLP thing, I've been playing with it, and it's a lot easier than I thought it was. I'm going to switched from DJ wavelands to this (once I get the timing tighter, of course).
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you see its not that hard. i knew you could get the hang of it good job. also pretty awesome u r calling it djlp :)
 
Batmansince1939

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NO advice? Well I have bad spacing that is a number one thing...any ideas how to fix or what to practice?

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Cia

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So.. Amsah and Ice told me I was that fastest Peach they'd ever seen and that i have "new fans"

/superinflatedego

Hypeeeee.

Apex gonna be sick.
 
VA

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VaNz said:
So.. Amsah and Ice told me I was that fastest Peach they'd ever seen and that i have "new fans"

/superinflatedego

Hypeeeee.

Apex gonna be sick.
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Ice called me the european VaNz once and I was sooooo pleased.

Go win Apex please.
 
VA

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Didn't VaNz's peach have the highest APM, more than fox players, when that APM list was constructed? I remember it being around 400 something.
 
PB&J

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Im not saying my amp will be higher but i want them to contruct one on me,i heard i was pretty fast,even though i think i play @ average speed as a fox player

:phone:
 
ShroudedOne

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Vanz is ridiculously fast...certainly the most technical Peach in existence today...

I've been thinking about doing fadeaway FC nairs on shield (kinda how spacies use fadeaway aerials to keep their pressure spaced, and bait out things). It seems like it could be used in a similar way for baiting OoS reactions (this is me trying really hard to find new things, sorry MacD :) )

I dunno, though. Just a thought.
 
MacD

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idk why you are saying sorry to me but ok

and i do that with FC bairs. if you are technical enough you can just do one bair then they might shield grab and you can FC bair again to punish or something (which i try to do but i suck and miss the 2nd bair and either full hop or something stupid and bad)
 
Rosedemon

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Like Mccain, I use FC Bair to pressure, because her *** fades back on its. As long as you execute correctly you cant be shield grabbed, however its very misleading and looks really laggy when you do it, so people often shield grab it.

I need to work on punishing the shield grab because I usually just go into another bair which isnt bad but its not optimal.
 
ShroudedOne

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MacD, you once said that we try too hard to find new things. And so I thought that this might be one of those times. But it's good that it isn't really "new."

Also, so many Peaches at Apex....goodness. :)
 
Composeur

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Definite props to macd for the impressive showing!

But seriously, can we talk about Armada for a second? A legitimized world champion mains Peach for the first time in the game's history. Hot.
 
john!

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armada's definitely the world champ right now.

i hesitate to say that he's the most talented smasher ever; i think mango still holds that title until armada can defend his #1 status for as long as mango has
 
MacD

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haha, i don't know how i pulled out that out of no where. i was also hungover and dying till i got eliminated haha. but after my first match the hungoverness like half vanished, idk so weird.

and it's weird cause i'm not mad at all about losing to KK or hax. but i feel like i easily coulda beat hax if i was more in practice... same i guess goes for KK but my game vs hax was closer and things i was doing wrong i easily coulda fixed/done better if i was just more in practice i feel

OOHHHHHHHHHHHHH WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. till next time i guess? after hearing the stream numbers and stuff i got kinda rehyped, but at the same time idk. guess we'll see what happens if i go to a local (aka see if i hate it or somehow have fun against oscar/johnny). meh, weird feelings

also i just wanna say watch out for the last kill in me vs zhu, crazy stuff

also the last match of marvel grand finals had me so hyped i jumped outta my chair on the last hit.
 
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