Totally agree. I love doing that XD
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VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)
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Batmansince1939
Smash Journeyman
Jfox i would also try up-b when foxes try to retreat to top plats...i mean you probally already know that but just figured i would share some knowledge i do at least
but idk
also Jfox you going to pound 4 correct?
but idk
also Jfox you going to pound 4 correct?
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
Yeah one time I was doing a peach ditto and pinned my opponent on the top platform of yoshis with up b then drop down, tech chase with up b
It's so dumb
Now he does it whenever someone's on the top platform
And I find it so dumb when marths spam counter. All you have to do is grab a turnip, and fc fair right in front of them. They go counter then you do whatever you want. also you can throw the turnip over their head to freak them out and either have them jump into it or counter
I played against a lot of marth, it's not that bad of a matchup.
It's so dumb
Now he does it whenever someone's on the top platform
And I find it so dumb when marths spam counter. All you have to do is grab a turnip, and fc fair right in front of them. They go counter then you do whatever you want. also you can throw the turnip over their head to freak them out and either have them jump into it or counter
I played against a lot of marth, it's not that bad of a matchup.
shounenkel
Smash Journeyman
ohhokay thanks guys, I'm haveing a hard time with that *** falcon >_<, help me out pls
Cia
das kwl
YES! i love this because i basically get a free combo starter. I've done the Turnip Feint > Dtilt plenty of times. god it's soo ****.
Kel - read the first post, that might help. Also, I played Hax the other day and I found Dash attack and Nairs to be really effective. so try those. He also admitted to being afraid of high speed FC aerials so use that to your advantage. maybe alot of Falcon's feel that way.
JFox
Smash Hero
i fc aerials all over that boys head lol
i dunno if im goin to pound4 yet btw
i dunno if im goin to pound4 yet btw
Vwins
Smash Ace
ooooohh nice peach thread 
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
One of my favorite things to do v falcon is float right over his sh height, so he trys to sh knee you and then you dair and I go LOL
People need to get more comfortable with the falcon matchup, if done correctly it's really easy for peach.
People need to get more comfortable with the falcon matchup, if done correctly it's really easy for peach.
shounenkel
Smash Journeyman
I'm sorry that still didn't help me much, falcon is just soooooooooo dum, and random he does **** and it works but really fox does really good so i guess i'll just go fox or my puff >_<
shounenkel
Smash Journeyman
ohh okay i will thanks vanz
MacD
Banned via Administration
puff is stupid, how am i supposed to get around bair >bair > bair
i feel there is soemthing i could do but idk what so bleh!!!!
but one fun thing i did to jiggs was up smash out of shield, it hit with the fist and killed at 100ish on FD, i was happy
i remember you posted vids earlier, are there any good matches to watch so i can learn
i feel there is soemthing i could do but idk what so bleh!!!!
but one fun thing i did to jiggs was up smash out of shield, it hit with the fist and killed at 100ish on FD, i was happy
i remember you posted vids earlier, are there any good matches to watch so i can learn
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
Pull a shinobi
throw a lot of turnips
make him approach like a man then shieldgrab with godly accuracy like me
then dthrow usmash because no one knows how to DI it
throw a lot of turnips
make him approach like a man then shieldgrab with godly accuracy like me
then dthrow usmash because no one knows how to DI it
Cia
das kwl
MacD - there ya go
Vwins - thanks, you should post here more. I'm sure you have lots of Canadian trixies
TIM - if someone doesn't know how to DI Dthrow at this point, chain grab them. they deserve it.. lol
Vwins - thanks, you should post here more. I'm sure you have lots of Canadian trixies
blast_ssbb
Smash Ace
how do u avoid getting hit by fox up-air? sry if its been explained somewhere too lazy to look and just came to my head (vwins reminded me cuz he NEVER gets hit by it)
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
It's stupid, I do it on every floatie, and I'm pretty much guarenteed one free kill move on jiggs per match.
@blast: you can learn to SDI it, which is tricky, but pays off because you can use that on everything.
@blast: you can learn to SDI it, which is tricky, but pays off because you can use that on everything.
Ben-Teezee
Smash Apprentice
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why isnt this thread stickied?
and on smash DI like i remember jfox talking about the different ways to do it, (dash dance wit cstick) or DI the throw one way then smash DI the attack the other way. is that correct?
and on smash DI like i remember jfox talking about the different ways to do it, (dash dance wit cstick) or DI the throw one way then smash DI the attack the other way. is that correct?
JFox
Smash Hero
DI one way and smash the other, or smash DI one way as fast as possible are my best two suggestions. The first one is harder since u have to hit the DI, but its a bit more successful. However, you'd be surprised how effective the smash DI'ing one way repeatedly (no timing) actually can be.
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
armada sdi'd a rest from hbox pretty hard, died anyway
I'm learning to SDI more, it's really useful, especially when playing against uthrow-uair-y foxes.
I'm learning to SDI more, it's really useful, especially when playing against uthrow-uair-y foxes.
Cia
das kwl
I tend to Smash DI Marth's SideB alot to avoid the Utilt. Maybe there's away to do something about Sheik's tilts?
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Up and away? It might be better to take two tilts and a slap than 3-4 and then a slap.
Cia
das kwl
I was talking about SDI'ing away from the Tilts.. this way Sheik will have to go really hard for the Fair (and could end up missing) or at high enough percentages, you can avoid the Fair altogether.
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
Down and away would be best for sheiks ftilt, IMO
You DI IC's cg down and away to escape right?
You DI IC's cg down and away to escape right?
JFox
Smash Hero
SDI isn't that useful against most combos, SDI you barely even move at all. normal DI is whats most important.
DoH
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does anyone have experience against good pikachus?
Cia
das kwl
I've played played DJN, Chu and N64. I think I got a good grasp of the match.
What's up?
What's up?
DoH
meleeitonme.tumblr.com
I beat Chu's kirby, and then he went pika one match and I had no idea what to besides generic stuff. My first thought would be shield pressure since his sucks, but other than that, treat him like a bad fox/sheik?
bladeofapollo
Smash Ace
What do I do if I'm grabbing the ledge and my opponent is on the stage?
Peach's ledge get-up attack is kinda weak and low ranged.
She can't exactly ledge-hop attacks quickly.
I usually just regular stand up off the ledge and Ftilt or roll, but I'm hoping there's something else out there.
Peach's ledge get-up attack is kinda weak and low ranged.
She can't exactly ledge-hop attacks quickly.
I usually just regular stand up off the ledge and Ftilt or roll, but I'm hoping there's something else out there.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Another option is to double jump -> air dodge back on stage. Just make it look obscure.
Cia
das kwl
Pretty Much. You also want to approaches ground based or really low. Pikachu's will often go for Uair > Usmash if you float too high. Keep a turnip in hand and go for low aerials (mainly bairs) . Pikachu's range is a joke and Bairs eat his projectile. Don't really go for tricky stuff because Pikachu's speed can be surprising. And he's a pretty easy to combo. Keep roll dodge to a minimum to avoid tech chase Usmash, and recovery above the ledge when possibly. His little thundershocks will knock you away from the ledge and build damage
I've been told that peach's get up animations are a dead giveaway as to watch tech option she's chosen, so i prefer to just use the double jump recovery and If i have my float, I just use tricks to make it back. You'd be surprised how far waiting will get you. most opponents get antsy and throw out an attack that's doomed to fail, so you take that opportunity to come back to the stage (with an aerial, empty landing, or an airdodge)
bladeofapollo
Smash Ace
The problem is that most of the time, I won't have my float.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
You can still do without it, the float just adds for extra ledge mindgames.
bladeofapollo
Smash Ace
If your opponent is any good at the game, they'll know Peach has trouble getting up and wait for you. Also, be a little more specific than "aerial, empty landing, or and airdodge"
Cia
das kwl
bottom line, Peach does have trouble coming back to the stage. So you have to choose which method is best to come back with based on what you know about your opponent.
For example:
If your opponent is more prone to waiting for the air dodge, recovering with a Nair or waveland > Dsmash might be a good i did.
If yout opponent is more prone to Attacking you out of the jump, then air dodge might be the safest method.
Peach's recovery is completely dependent on how well you recognize your opponent's patterns. She doesn't have many options, but you can come back if you can read your opponent
For example:
If your opponent is more prone to waiting for the air dodge, recovering with a Nair or waveland > Dsmash might be a good i did.
If yout opponent is more prone to Attacking you out of the jump, then air dodge might be the safest method.
Peach's recovery is completely dependent on how well you recognize your opponent's patterns. She doesn't have many options, but you can come back if you can read your opponent
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
I airdodge, like, every time. I try to avoid the ledge because it puts peach in a really bad position. Try ledgehopping, it will give you more options IMO
JFox
Smash Hero
mmm...i love people that have a certain thing they do in every situation....makes the so easy to punish.
Heart Break Kid
Smash Lord
Yea kinda like Jfox
Cia
das kwl
^ Raaape
HBK - why have i never seen this Peach that you seem to be ****** everyone with?
HBK - why have i never seen this Peach that you seem to be ****** everyone with?
JFox
Smash Hero
true...i do love myself quite a bit
DoH
meleeitonme.tumblr.com
I used to be good against marios...and now I've forgotten everything.
Which of Doc/Mario's aerials can be cc'd? Best way to get around pills is nair/slap? How do you beat bair?
Which of Doc/Mario's aerials can be cc'd? Best way to get around pills is nair/slap? How do you beat bair?
Cia
das kwl
Do'H - You can CC all of Mario's aerials and Doc's Dair and weak Nair. As for pills, just float over or Bair through them. Don't FC your Bairs. If leave it out for the entire duration of the attack, Doc will just run into it and you can link another Bair.
Just put on the pressure with these characters. Their terrible range makes them terrible against Fair and Bair. Low approaches are best because Dair > Uair is annoying and will knock Peach out of float. Pull turnips when you can but hold it just a bit longer than usual to bait the cape, and just **** the **** out of his lag.
Just put on the pressure with these characters. Their terrible range makes them terrible against Fair and Bair. Low approaches are best because Dair > Uair is annoying and will knock Peach out of float. Pull turnips when you can but hold it just a bit longer than usual to bait the cape, and just **** the **** out of his lag.