Unpopular Smash Opinions (BE CIVIL)

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ganon uses DMV in FSA. It’s just a boss move that is just often used by Ganon and associates. And even though FSA is a different Ganon for once, Yuga Ganon also uses it.

Ganondorf could always potentially use it as Ganon. He doesn’t lose the ability to use old skills when he’s still a magic user. That has no real logic to it. You can justify it in the Oracle games where his mind is missing, but other games in the branched timelines are just simply a case(after the move’s debut) of it… not being used. Ganon obviously is never without his Trident in his normal pig form since the weapon’s introduction outside of OOT(before he ever could’ve found it) and Zelda 1. It’s not that odd, really.

 

[Opossum]

Personally I like when different weapons and fighting styles AREN'T restricted to specific forms. Hell, my preferred hypothetical Ganondorf would be one with a trident, despite that being a Ganon thing lol.

(Thank you Hyrule Warriors btw)

 

[fogbadge]

It’s not like the ganon form has been restricted to tridents and flaming bats anyway

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Inkling's moveset just doesn't work for me for some unexplainable reason. It's not like I can't work with it. I got Inkling into Elite Smash. It's objectively a pretty good moveset.

But it's just not a moveset that makes sense to my dinosaur brain when I'm playing the game. She doesn't move like I expect. She's the only base Ultimate newcomer to feel that way for me.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

It is interesting to see in certain early adaptations of LoZ how they generally depicted Ganondorf as he might have been prior to the Ganon transformation like in the Link to the Past novelization by Katsuyuki Ozaki:

Humanoid Ganondorf with a trident still seems weird, but years before the former was more codified in OoT it seemed like an idea certain people with playing with in one form or another.

Also, while I know beastly Ganon is the obvious choice, upright abomination Ganon from that same book would be a hell of a choice for an actual Zelda game or Smash:

 

[Louie G.]

Most series in Smash outside of the obvious exceptions (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem I suppose) are pretty well set with three characters. Especially if we scale down a fair amount next game, it’s a solid amount.

Obviously if the right circumstances show themselves I’m not opposed to it or anything, hell I’d love it if Kirby got a few new faces, but I think three is usually enough to cover a good scope of what a series has to offer and convey a nice diverse palette of gameplay styles. Kirby and DK have some of the most diverse and satisfying character lineups on the roster as is, IMO.

Obviously I don’t think we need to set arbitrary restrictions if a character is, on their own merit, worth including. But I can’t act too entitled to more content from a series I like when it’s already been granted such a healthy spread. There are other series with characters to offer that are working their way up or not in the game at all, and I’d probably like to see those a little more at this point.

 

[ninjahmos]

If Smash gets a few more Capcom characters, they'll probably be Chun-Li, Leon and/or Jill and Monster Hunter.

But honestly, I think Phoenix Wright would be so much more fun than Monster Hunter. In fact, they could base his moveset off of UMVC3. His Final Smash could be based on his Level 3 Super, Ace Attorney.

 

[Quillion]

you clearly haven’t played MM3D where he does punch

While wearing a mask that turns him into a giant, so my point still stands.

Ganondorf could always potentially use it as Ganon. He doesn’t lose the ability to use old skills when he’s still a magic user. That has no real logic to it. You can justify it in the Oracle games where his mind is missing, but other games in the branched timelines are just simply a case(after the move’s debut) of it… not being used. Ganon obviously is never without his Trident in his normal pig form since the weapon’s introduction outside of OOT(before he ever could’ve found it) and Zelda 1. It’s not that odd, really.

I know; but Ganon is much, much better when he fights radically different from game to game as opposed to doing the same thing over and over again.

Even Echoes of Wisdom's portrayal of Ganon's fighting style is underwhelming in that sense.

Personally I like when different weapons and fighting styles AREN'T restricted to specific forms. Hell, my preferred hypothetical Ganondorf would be one with a trident, despite that being a Ganon thing lol.

(Thank you Hyrule Warriors btw)

But that just leads to an incoherent, jumbled mess of references whose animations are annoying to look at and, more often than not, sacrifice good gamefeel just to support the animations. Only Mr. Game & Watch handles it well by a combination of him being deliberately bizarre and random by core concept and having good gamefeel.

Inkling's moveset just doesn't work for me for some unexplainable reason. It's not like I can't work with it. I got Inkling into Elite Smash. It's objectively a pretty good moveset.

But it's just not a moveset that makes sense to my dinosaur brain when I'm playing the game. She doesn't move like I expect. She's the only base Ultimate newcomer to feel that way for me.

I'd honestly be happier with them getting rid of the ink tank mechanic. Would make them more fun to play without a gimmick limitation.

Also, I think the problem with Inkling's moveset lies in their run animation: their Squid swim that just looks jank in Smash's context. While it does make sense somewhat as a Splatoon reference, in Smash's context, it comes off as them suddenly transforming when they run for some odd reason. The transitions from their run animation to their attacks end up looking, again, incoherent.

Most series in Smash outside of the obvious exceptions (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem I suppose) are pretty well set with three characters. Especially if we scale down a fair amount next game, it’s a solid amount.

Mostly agree, but I wouldn't include Zelda as an exception. That series revolves around three characters at their core, and everyone around them is variable and mostly disappears after a single game.

 

[fogbadge]

While wearing a mask that turns him into a giant, so my point still stands.



I know; but Ganon is much, much better when he fights radically different from game to game as opposed to doing the same thing over and over again.

Even Echoes of Wisdom's portrayal of Ganon's fighting style is underwhelming in that sense.



But that just leads to an incoherent, jumbled mess of references whose animations are annoying to look at and, more often than not, sacrifice good gamefeel just to support the animations. Only Mr. Game & Watch handles it well by a combination of him being deliberately bizarre and random by core concept and having good gamefeel.



I'd honestly be happier with them getting rid of the ink tank mechanic. Would make them more fun to play without a gimmick limitation.

Also, I think the problem with Inkling's moveset lies in their run animation: their Squid swim that just looks jank in Smash's context. While it does make sense somewhat as a Splatoon reference, in Smash's context, it comes off as them suddenly transforming when they run for some odd reason. The transitions from their run animation to their attacks end up looking, again, incoherent.



Mostly agree, but I wouldn't include Zelda as an exception. That series revolves around three characters at their core, and everyone around them is variable and mostly disappears after a single game.

no it doesn’t because your point is ridiculous. what possible reason is there for him not to use a move in one form or another

 

[Opossum]

But that just leads to an incoherent, jumbled mess of references whose animations are annoying to look at and, more often than not, sacrifice good gamefeel just to support the animations. Only Mr. Game & Watch handles it well by a combination of him being deliberately bizarre and random by core concept and having good gamefeel.

I'm sorry but that is 100% a you problem. It's not jumbled and incoherent and annoying to look at just because Ganon Shot An Energy Ball. Like come on now.

Hell, Mr. Game & Watch ended up looking significantly WORSE in Ultimate when they were restricted to reusing the exact same sprites from the Game & Watches instead of adapting them like they did for Melee, Brawl, and 4. And the complete change in his forward air ruined his game feel too. The guy was butchered by the newfound need to stick religiously to canon like you're suggesting with Ganondorf/Ganon.

The world isn't going to end if Ganon uses an energy ball or Ganondorf uses a trident. The mashed potatoes are allowed to touch the peas.

 

[Louie G.]

Mostly agree, but I wouldn't include Zelda as an exception. That series revolves around three characters at their core, and everyone around them is variable and mostly disappears after a single game.

I mean, theoretically yes it’s ok with the Triforce Trio but I’m equating Zelda as a headlining “A-lister” franchise that should probably have more wiggle room. Mario / Zelda / Pokemon are unequivocally the core brands in Smash so it’d feel wrong for me to knock it down a peg.

 

[Perkilator]

I know it’s not a guarantee, but I still vehemently believe that with them being the two Fighter Ballot winners, Sakurai and Nintendo will at least try to get Banjo and Sora back for the next Smash game.

 

[Opossum]

I know it’s not a guarantee, but I still vehemently believe that with them being the two Fighter Ballot winners, Sakurai and Nintendo will at least try to get Banjo and Sora back for the next Smash game.

PushDustin has literally gone on record saying that calling Banjo the second place winner of the ballot isn't accurate to what was said. The wording more closely implies that out of the DLC characters, Banjo scored the second best.

 

[Quillion]

I mean, theoretically yes it’s ok with the Triforce Trio but I’m equating Zelda as a headlining “A-lister” franchise that should probably have more wiggle room. Mario / Zelda / Pokemon are unequivocally the core brands in Smash so it’d feel wrong for me to knock it down a peg.

As an A-list franchise, it has that criterion.

But suitable characters that can plausibly represent the whole series as opposed to specific games? Zelda's lacking on that front.

 

[Opossum]

As an A-list franchise, it has that criterion.

But suitable characters that can plausibly represent the whole series as opposed to specific games? Zelda's lacking on that front.

There's nothing wrong with only representing specific games though, especially when characters like Midna have endured for ages despite being, essentially, a one-off.

 

[Dinoman96]

For real though, unless the roster is somehow massively pared down going into the next game, I don't really see a good reason to why Banjo & Kazooie would be cut. They were amongst the most requested characters and they were reportedly very easy to negotiate for, and Microsoft is very clearly on board with sharing their legacy Rare franchises with Nintendo as shown by Nintendo Switch Online.

I must say it always really gets underneath my skin seeing certain posters post their rosters in the Speculation & Discussion Thread and cutting Banjo, but then retaining Steve.

 

[Lenidem]

As an A-list franchise, it has that criterion.

But suitable characters that can plausibly represent the whole series as opposed to specific games? Zelda's lacking on that front.

There is Tingle. He was present in several games and can also represent his own series.

"But a lot of people don't like him!" - A lot of people don't like many characters.

"His games are not really good." - I haven't played them, so I don't know for sure. But even if they are not, we have the Ice Climbers. And MM and WW, in which he has at least a noticeable role, are widely considered very good.

Also, I totally agree with Opossum

 

[ThyCheshireCat]

As an A-list franchise, it has that criterion.

But suitable characters that can plausibly represent the whole series as opposed to specific games? Zelda's lacking on that front.

Even ignoring the green spandex wearing elephant in the room I don't think a series that already has its core cast represented should be held back from representing other characters from its series. We already have , who, despite being a form of one of the main trio, represents a very small part of one singular game and nothing else. The fact we already have Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf shouldn't be seen as a sign to leave the series be forever, but instead to expand and give lesser used characters another chance in the spotlight. They might not be able to fit Skull Kid or Midna in another mainline TLoZ story but they can sure as hell fit them in a crossover fighter that has no bearing on any game's plot, and prides itself on letting people pick their favourite character and beat up their friends.

Most series in Smash outside of the obvious exceptions (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem I suppose) are pretty well set with three characters. Especially if we scale down a fair amount next game, it’s a solid amount.

Donkey Kong and Kirby both have important main characters still lacking from their rosters (In Dixie Kong and Cranky Kong, and Bandana Dee respectively), So I would wager those series aren't really 'well set' in their current condition. That being said, even then, a series being 'well set' doesn't mean it shouldn't be given a chance to expand in the future. There are plenty of aspects in a series that simply can't be represented (Kirby's villains for instance) if you only use the main recurring elements of the series. There is more to a character's merit than just being a main established character and as such I don't think any series should be bound by representation if there are still unique, iconic, fun, or popular character choices that can be included.

 

[Louie G.]

Donkey Kong and Kirby both have important main characters still lacking from their rosters (In Dixie Kong and Cranky Kong, and Bandana Dee respectively), So I would wager those series aren't really 'well set' in their current condition. That being said, even then, a series being 'well set' doesn't mean it shouldn't be given a chance to expand in the future. There are plenty of aspects in a series that simply can't be represented (Kirby's villains for instance) if you only use the main recurring elements of the series. There is more to a character's merit than just being a main established character and as such I don't think any series should be bound by representation if there are still unique, iconic, fun, or popular character choices that can be included.

I guess I should clarify that "well set" doesn't necessarily mean "done for good". I tried to clarify in that post that I'm not saying we should hard limit series to three characters each, but that I think this is a perfectly fine number and a perfectly fine lineup of characters to have already. Measuring in juxtaposition to other series and characters on the roster right now, I think they are doing well. Some other major series - Animal Crossing, Splatoon, Pikmin - are getting up to speed, have seen greater status quo adjustments over the course of Ultimate to Present, and IMO are hungrier to play with that new material. Not that both can't get that love, but I just think the less prominent and more currently fluid series should be elevated first.

Smash naturally breeds the "yes, and" approach to character building where we will always move toward the next most sensible option available when we've checked off the fundamental boxes. Bandana Dee and Dixie Kong are absolutely the most important characters left in their respective series. If Sakurai wants to add them, you'll hear no complaints from me. As much of a longshot as it is, I'd be over the moon if they added a number of zany "one shot" Kirby characters too. But if he doesn't, I think I'm pretty content with the variety here in our current lineups because much of the series' essence and core dynamics are already present. We only have so much space and I think a series being able to sustain three spots on the roster is quite substantial in its own right.

But I unno, that's just me. I'd be even happier to look at a roster with eight Kirby characters on it, and Cranky Kong, but I'm just already happy as it stands.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

There is Tingle. He was present in several games and can also represent his own series.

"But a lot of people don't like him!" - A lot of people don't like many characters.

"His games are not really good." - I haven't played them, so I don't know for sure. But even if they are not, we have the Ice Climbers. And MM and WW, in which he has at least a noticeable role, are widely considered very good.

Also, I totally agree with Opossum

It's just too bad how the Zelda-franchise as a whole has left Tingle behind very, very long time ago outside of Hyrule Warriors mainly because of his poor marketability and reputation outside of Japan, especially in USA where he's such a no-go next to the biggest fanbase for the franchise arguably.
Seems like Nintendo's still keeping that kinda rule up with the disgusted/scared reactions you get wearing Tingle's costume in BOTW and still recently in TOTK. Well, at least he'snot made to a constantly repeated butt of jokes and disgust like Scrappy Doo is still to this day...

Some places on internet even claimed that Sakurai had been aware of Tingle's status in West as a factor on him being passed over as a possible fighter - which I personally find believable. (TV Tropes mainly, check SSB-folder, but where this comes from I can't find)

In anycase, I can confidently say Tingle's chances in Smash is purely next to nothing for indefinite time.

I personally think we could have better time exploring Impa instead as they have somewhat on-going seniority, though what way they'd be used is up in the air unless we say, use her moveset and look from Age of Calamity.
Until then, I feel Triforce Trio + Sheik to represent both the most beloved game of all time would be more than enough.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The thing that's really hurt Tingle is that there's been such an emergence of interesting characters in games of the last 20 years that even though the antipathy for him is long past its peak, there's not really been a counter surge of popularity that rivals what Midna, the Champions, or even someone like Impa has. Even his appearance in Hyrule Warriors, while annoying to some ultimately had far less outcry than it would have a decade prior because there were so many other enjoyable characters to choose from.

To some degree I wonder if it's not Western hatred really keeping him from speculation and possibly even Smash as much as it is him feeling like an increasingly distant novelty in a series that keeps consistently introducing arguably more interesting characters and/or versions of older ones.

 

[Guynamednelson]

his poor marketability and reputation outside of Japan, especially in USA

I think it would be USA only, given they thought it was okay to publish Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland in Europe, and that TV Tropes page is called "Americans Hate Tingle" rather than "The West Hates Tingle".

Hell, I'm American and I think said hatred has calmed down over the years. Could be because of the lack of Tingle in recent Zelda games, but still.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

The thing that's really hurt Tingle is that there's been such an emergence of interesting characters in games of the last 20 years that even though the antipathy for him is long past its peak, there's not really been a counter surge of popularity that rivals what Midna, the Champions, or even someone like Impa has. Even his appearance in Hyrule Warriors, while annoying to some ultimately had far less outcry than it would have a decade prior because there were so many other enjoyable characters to choose from.

To some degree I wonder if it's not Western hatred really keeping him from speculation and possibly even Smash as much as it is him feeling like an increasingly distant novelty in a series that keeps consistently introducing arguably more interesting characters and/or versions of older ones.

Pretty much - Hyrule Warriors seemed like a pretty big appearance for him due having been absent so long prior - but IDK, I feel like he at least had become enough of a a breakout character to star in his own games of weird/zany variety that lampoon Zelda a bit here and there, kinda like what Wario did to Mario-series.

I still feel him having disappeared from games like this despite being this breakout character was because his "era" came to an end pretty quickly during the DS's middle lifecycle.

I think it would be USA only, given they thought it was okay to publish Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland in Europe, and that TV Tropes page is called "Americans Hate Tingle" rather than "The West Hates Tingle".

Hell, I'm American and I think said hatred has calmed down over the years. Could be because of the lack of Tingle in recent Zelda games, but still.

I guess why I put in "West" is due how in spite of Europe having localized one of the his games, this trend didn't get carried to Balloon Trip of Love + the poor fame of Tingle ended becoming the status quo for him on the ever-growing internet especially,I guess it feels to me like Europeans ended more apathetic about Tingle in general, if going by how little there was care or wishing for him to be appear in future titles since Roseful Rupeeland. So in EU, Tingle didn't end up really sparking much of presence enough to warrant him having a dedicated market in EU despite that territory being more accepting - while Americans clearly hated him.

Of course today Tingle's more favorably seen and liked as people have looked over him in more open mind, but by now it's been too late as he's basically disappeared from the series.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I guess why I put in "West" is due how in spite of Europe having localized one of the his games, this trend didn't get carried to Balloon Trip of Love + the poor fame of Tingle ended becoming the status quo for him on the ever-growing internet especially,I guess it feels to me like Europeans ended more apathetic about Tingle in general, if going by how little there was care or wishing for him to be appear in future titles since Roseful Rupeeland. So in EU, Tingle didn't end up really sparking much of presence enough to warrant him having a dedicated market in EU despite that territory being more accepting - while Americans clearly hated him.

Seems like despite it getting an EU localization, it only sold 10k units over there, as opposed to 234,862 in Japan. So yeah, that does seem more like apathy and enough of a reason to only localize one Tingle game.

That said, game development has gotten too expensive for Nintendo or anyone else to make a game that's just okay with 200k units sold in Japan and barely any more elsewhere, so even if they wanted to make more Tingle games for those 200k people in Japan, they can't. Even if Nintendo games are more mid-budget than AAA.

 

[Lenidem]

Seems like despite it getting an EU localization, it only sold 10k units over there, as opposed to 234,862 in Japan. So yeah, that does seem more like apathy and enough of a reason to only localize one Tingle game.

That said, game development has gotten too expensive for Nintendo or anyone else to make a game that's just okay with 200k units sold in Japan and barely any more elsewhere, so even if they wanted to make more Tingle games for those 200k people in Japan, they can't. Even if Nintendo games are more mid-budget than AAA.

Living in Belgium, I have never seen a Tingle game in a Belgian store. I didn't even know one of them had been commercialized here!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Living in Belgium, I have never seen a Tingle game in a Belgian store. I didn't even know one of them had been commercialized here!

Neither in the Netherlands.

Also this Ganon talk. Really? Is it really all that weird that Ganon uses the light ball attack? Ganondorf with a trident also should be acceptable.

Anyway we know what version of Ganondorf we're most likely getting so why even bother ? I really was confused by this all being blown up.

Then again there's nothing concrete to talk about anyway lol

 

[MasterCheef]

These franchises are waaaaaay overrated ( tooo highly valued ) in terms of the quality of game-play their characters bring to smash.

Street Fighter & F-Zero = all the most important moves these characters have can be put into Mii Brawler & make Mii Brawler an actual enjoyable top tier.
Fire Emblem = Swords are for cutting & should be minimally included. Hammers , maces & clubs , are for smashing & should be maximized
Earthbound = small children with massive heads relative to the rest of their body , are strangely hard to hit
Duck Hunt = very iconic , however really only has good gameplay against large characters
Star Fox = you can literally give these stats to other characters to make them just as good
Game & Watch = like a swordy without any exciting additional benefits
MGS = Nikita can be put into Mii Gunner's move-set

These fighters are waaaaaay overrated ( value tooo low to keep ) in terms of the quality of game-play their characters bring to smash.

Dr Mario = clone , shold merely be an alt
Meta Knight = clone with a sword
Kind DeDeDe = like a swordy without any of the benefits
Wario = most boring specials
Little Mac = too grounded
Wii Fit trainer = terrible specials
Olimar = too tiny
Pichu = too tiny
Sheik = does not do much of anything in her 1 origin game
Toon Link & Young Link = too many links

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Meta Knight = clone with a sword

This thread is for unpopular opinions.

Not blatantly wrong statements.

 

[Guynamednelson]

This thread is for unpopular opinions.

Not blatantly wrong statements.

That feels like something that would only be stated by someone making fun of swordfighter-hating Smash fans. How the hell can anyone unironically think Meta Knight is a clone of anyone?

 

[AlRex]

Especially bigging up the Mii Fighters so much. Perhaps my unpopular opinion is that they’re kind of lame and have generic moves, which is partially the point…but I’d much prefer a more in depth Create A Character, or even just giving a full moveset to someone like Matt or Nikki over what’s there currently.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I dislike the Miis and actively want them cut. I also dislike the Ice Climbers. I don't think these characters warrant the effort required to make them work in Smash. These are the very first first party characters I'd cut if I was in charge.

Also, Tingle? He's not coming back in Zelda most likely. Wind Waker remake yeah, but outside of that? I don't see it. His disappearance was of course because he is actively disliked and thus sidelined. Smash won't happen for him therefore either.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

His disappearance was of course because he is actively disliked and thus sidelined. Smash won't happen for him therefore either.

And that is a problem.

 

[Diddy Kong]

And that is a problem.

According to Tingle supporters and fans. Am not amongst them. I myself hold the opinion that the problem is solved.

 

[Lenidem]

I dislike the Miis and actively want them cut. I also dislike the Ice Climbers. I don't think these characters warrant the effort required to make them work in Smash. These are the very first first party characters I'd cut if I was in charge.

Also, Tingle? He's not coming back in Zelda most likely. Wind Waker remake yeah, but outside of that? I don't see it. His disappearance was of course because he is actively disliked and thus sidelined. Smash won't happen for him therefore either.

I kinda agree with the first half of your message and kinda disagree with the second. So if it was possible, I would give it half a like.

 

[AlRex]

I wouldn’t cut the Miis entirely, like I said…would just give them a very different form. Though maybe if I had my wish of Matt and/or Nikki also in, the Create A Fighter could be a Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Dragon King type by default to avoid confusion. Ice Climber is whack but people like the moveset, I guess. Then again, the same is somewhat true of Corrin and I’d cut them, too.

Tingle, I actually like, though. Could have some fun things with his moveset and maybe a rupee mechanic. Though you could really raid Hyrule Warriors for a bit more of how to do characters. Zelda has a good amount of both “serious” (Pig Ganon, Impa, Skull Kid, Midna, Tetra, one of the BOTW champs, Purah, etc.) and “joke” options (Tingle, Epona, Octorok, Cucco, the King or Morshu, even). But a lot of folks have been wanting a non-TriForce Zelda character for a while (disregard me saying Ganon and Tetra from that).

 

[MasterCheef]

Sword characters are the laziest least skill required characters

 

[fogbadge]

Sword characters are the laziest least skill required characters

it kinda sounds like you’re calling the sword users themselves lazy

 

[MartianSnake]

I don't think Ring Fit Trainee is as much of a lock for the next Smash as others seem to think. Sure the game sold well and there's precedent with another character but I feel like there's more to things than that.

I love Wii Fit Trainer, but she isn't exactly the most beloved character. I don't think the Smash devs have much motivation to do another fitness themed character after Wii Fit Trainer got met with mostly "Oh that's a weird pick, anyways".

 

[Perkilator]

I don't think Ring Fit Trainee is as much of a lock for the next Smash as others seem to think. Sure the game sold well and there's precedent with another character but I feel like there's more to things than that.

I love Wii Fit Trainer, but she isn't exactly the most beloved character. I don't think the Smash devs have much motivation to do another fitness themed character after Wii Fit Trainer got met with mostly "Oh that's a weird pick, anyways".

I kinda get it, but at the same time I trust the Smash team to not let that stop them if they feel like they can do Ring Fit Trainee justice.

 

[MartianSnake]

I kinda get it, but at the same time I trust the Smash team to not let that stop them if they feel like they can do Ring Fit Trainee justice.

I'm not saying I don't want it, I just see a lot of people viewing it as an inevitability and I don't quite agree