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Tree Stump Mafia - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in the forest?

Nicholas1024

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If you'll notice, the rockin half has been tunneling me all game, and I'm sick of it. This isn't the first game he's done it in either. The swords half is fine though. (There's a reason he's the sharper half of the hydra.)

What's ATM anyway? Was that supposed to be ATE? It's more-so ATCSAAR (appeal to common sense and all reason)

Anyway...

Virtual vote: Omis
 
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@Nicholas1024: Sorry, I meant aTe. My bad.

Glad to see you support a stump on Omis.
 

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Still liking The Man for scum as I pointed out earlier.

Nick gets some trust but mostly from Marshy. Still really dislike how defensive he was of Brockin but maybe Brockin is as tunneling on him as he says idk.

Liking Mentos for being a townie. He has at least worked pretty hard in most of his posts to find scum. I havent agreed with some of what he has said but he is thinking.
On the other hand....

SwordDancer and Paprika havent done anything for me. Like nothing. I dont think Ive really gotten solid stances or attempts from any of them and I know Im calling the kettle black but that is how I see it. They just feel like theyve been out of everything.

I dont really like how Summomner has basically taken up attacking everyone and asking questions as if he should be under fire. The gun man rarely gets the weapon turned on him which I think he is attempting here. (Brazillian saying so it might not make sense in English)

Not approaching the post from Summoner from now because I want to analyze him first.

Workin hard but school finals are coming up.
So, you prefer to not stay your views and instead delay it and then try to throw suspicion on me. I don't see ANY reason why not answering these questions and instead 'reading into' me
is better than answering the questions and also reading into me.

Cello, I'll probably be okay wiht Omis going unless he decides to change his mind and take a stance.
 

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I didn't say it was for no reason at all. Omis, why don't you want to make that post?
 

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Omis, do you want town to win or are you happy with making the situation worse if you are stumped?


Current Stumps: How do you feel about the wording of Omis' last post? Do you think Omis could be scum and is demotivated because he sees town in a realyl good position?
 

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Okay, so here is a list of who I feel is scum, from scum to town:

The Paprika Killer
mentosman8
tHe-Man
Omis
SummonerAU
Nicholas1024

I'm going to be doing a post anaylsis of both TPK and mentos.

The Paprika Killer:
Omis has stated that TPK hasn't really done much in this game. I disagree. However, out of
the players remaining so far, I still find him the scummiest. Here's why:

post 3: random votes tHe-Man. This will be interesting if he flips scum.

post 32: Points out what he considers to be flaws in Cello's first post. States that he has
an open playstyle and likes to debate. Asked cello why he voted for me. Votes cello.

I don't really think that TPK has been an open player this game, like he said he is. Tell
me, TPK, what other completed games of mafia were you in and what alignment were you? I do
think this could be important to know.

post 56: He defends himself against Cello. Nothing really noteworthy there. States what
expieriance he has with this set up and states that he wants to reread.

post 57: asks what popcorn mafia is and asks cello to clarify what cellorule #28 means.

post 63: I don't really understand that post. He defends himself. Okay, I understand that
much, but I don't understand what he means by "if you specifically direct a question or FoS
at someone else and I believe you don't perfectly make sense I don't have to think weird of
that, but if you direct something at ME and somehow it is fine for me not understanding it,
you're being illogical." What I don't understand is why he thinks that he doesn't have to
find it wierd when someone makes a bad case against someone else (that's what I'm reading
here, please correct me if I'm wrong).

If that is what he means, then I find that scummy. In tthat case, he's basically saying that
he ignores cases that arn't directed to him, no matter how bad they are.

He also in that post states that he is "in a trench war" with cello and that cello sticks
out to him.

post 90: He attacks SSBF. He unvotes cello, fos ssbf, and votes *The Jester*. Nothing really
scummy here.

Post 120: He asks Pierre for a read on SSBF. Not much, but I think that it's interesting to
note that Pierre and TPK have very little communication with one another, something I would
expect from scum buddies.

post 125: States that he thinks SSBF is a bad townie. He was right, but I don't really trust
TPK's meta knowledge that much.

TPK, what other games of mafia were in with SSBF, were he was town? Why did you think that
he was just a bad townie and not a bad scum?

post 135: This one is interesting. He complains about the server problems and states that he
doesn't really find reason that when heat confirmed should matter. Okay, fair enough.

HOWEVER, he then goes on to state that there might be a link between Heat and Pierre, and
that he wants Heatstroke, cello, and pierre to stump. What is really interesting to note is
that he only wants Pierre to stump depending on how Cello and Heat flip. If he was scum,
then he would of known that Heat was town, and that there wouldn't be a link between the
two. That way, it could appear that he was focusing on Pierre without attacking him. I think
that there is a good chance this was a bus.

post 141: Asks Brockin to define "us".

post 144: Answers Brockin's question. Asks Macman a question about lynching stumps. This
question is. . . weird. TPK, why would you want to know? As in, why would it matter?

post 145: Disregards the question in his last post. I still find the question wierd. Also, I
find it scummy that even mentions his pm, in the same way I found Cello to be scummy at the
start of the game.

That's all for right now, I'll complete it after school.

Also right now there is some weird things that I noticed about others in this game. I'll see if I can quickly say them on my school's computer later.
 

Cello_Marl

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Cool. After tHe-Man's flip, give TPK a chance to stump, then lynch if he refuses.

...you think Mentos is scummier than tHe-Man?

Well, whatev.
 
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post 3: random votes tHe-Man. This will be interesting if he flips scum.
Dude, it's called RVS.

post 32: Points out what he considers to be flaws in Cello's first post. States that he has
an open playstyle and likes to debate. Asked cello why he voted for me. Votes cello.

I don't really think that TPK has been an open player this game, like he said he is. Tell
me, TPK, what other completed games of mafia were you in and what alignment were you? I do
think this could be important to know.
UCM: Mafia
SSBM: Mafia
Muppet: (not completed but I am dead) town

also, have you ever seen marshy or KevinM play? that is a closed playstyle. compared to that my style is quite open. not *THESE ARE MY CARDS* cello style, but you get the point

post 56: He defends himself against Cello. Nothing really noteworthy there. States what
expieriance he has with this set up and states that he wants to reread.

post 57: asks what popcorn mafia is and asks cello to clarify what cellorule #28 means.

post 63: I don't really understand that post. He defends himself. Okay, I understand that
much, but I don't understand what he means by "if you specifically direct a question or FoS
at someone else and I believe you don't perfectly make sense I don't have to think weird of
that, but if you direct something at ME and somehow it is fine for me not understanding it,
you're being illogical." What I don't understand is why he thinks that he doesn't have to
find it wierd when someone makes a bad case against someone else (that's what I'm reading
here, please correct me if I'm wrong).
you're about right. when person A makes a case (irrelevant good/bad) against person B, it is B's job to defend himself, person C doesn't have to defend B.

If that is what he means, then I find that scummy. In tthat case, he's basically saying that
he ignores cases that arn't directed to him, no matter how bad they are.
Or how good.

He also in that post states that he is "in a trench war" with cello and that cello sticks
out to him.
point being?

post 90: He attacks SSBF. He unvotes cello, fos ssbf, and votes *The Jester*. Nothing really
scummy here.

Post 120: He asks Pierre for a read on SSBF. Not much, but I think that it's interesting to
note that Pierre and TPK have very little communication with one another, something I would
expect from scum buddies.
Why would oyu expect that?

post 125: States that he thinks SSBF is a bad townie. He was right, but I don't really trust
TPK's meta knowledge that much.
how so? seems like you are prejudiced here.

TPK, what other games of mafia were in with SSBF, were he was town? Why did you think that
he was just a bad townie and not a bad scum?
SSBMafia, he was scum. there he took a very aggressive approach on things.

post 135: This one is interesting. He complains about the server problems and states that he
doesn't really find reason that when heat confirmed should matter. Okay, fair enough.

HOWEVER, he then goes on to state that there might be a link between Heat and Pierre, and
that he wants Heatstroke, cello, and pierre to stump. What is really interesting to note is
that he only wants Pierre to stump depending on how Cello and Heat flip. If he was scum,
then he would of known that Heat was town, and that there wouldn't be a link between the
two. That way, it could appear that he was focusing on Pierre without attacking him. I think
that there is a good chance this was a bus.
Wut? it had nothing to do with that, but only with Cello proclaiming that heat and pierre were scum. if heat flipped scum and cello town, pierre likely would be town. if the other way round (heat town, cello scum) pierre would more likely be town.
then they both flipped town and I got confused.

post 141: Asks Brockin to define "us".

post 144: Answers Brockin's question. Asks Macman a question about lynching stumps. This
question is. . . weird. TPK, why would you want to know? As in, why would it matter?
clarification of the rules. just like at somepoint someone wondered if stumps could die from inactivity and possibly ending the day with that.

post 145: Disregards the question in his last post. I still find the question wierd. Also, I
find it scummy that even mentions his pm, in the same way I found Cello to be scummy at the
start of the game.
We saw how cello worked out hm?

That's all for right now, I'll complete it after school.

Also right now there is some weird things that I noticed about others in this game. I'll see if I can quickly say them on my school's computer later.
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I honestly don't see what you're actually case is because this is just a bunch of nitpicking and calling half my posts "weird".
 
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Cello, might I remind you that if tHe-Man flips town (not that I really expect it) we go into night and after that we're in LyLo.
 

Cello_Marl

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No, you may not.

Nah, I'm just kidding.

Consider me duly reminded.

Good night.

I'm tired.

I just stayed up for a very long time.

I regret nothing.
 

Xiivi

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tHe-Man (mafia) is modkilled.

Day 1 Vote Count X-8
mentosman8: (0)
Omis: (0)
Nicholas1024: (0)
SummonerAU: (0)
Sworddancer.: (0)
The Paprika Killer: (0)
Not Voting:
mentosman8, Omis, Nicholas1024, SummonerAU, Sworddancer., The Paprika Killer (
)

Living Treestumps:
HeatStroke (Town)
Cello_Marl (Town)

Brockin (Town)
Super Smash Bros. Fan (Town)

4/6 to lynch.
Deadline is May 8, 11:59PM EST.
 
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right. 2 mafia killed from inactivity. nice game so far, haha.
 

Cello_Marl

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Who wants to make this game technically LyLo so that it's even more ridiculous? As if a Day 1 Town win isn't already.

How sad for me it would be
On the other side of Newbie 3
When Xiivi got glad,
Ronike got mad,
And said, "Of course, the scum's an IC"
 
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so we stump 2 more ppl? (thus making it 2v1 and a bunch of stumps)

fine with that
 

Cello_Marl

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You're not really going to make me go through and make a case against you, are you?

Be a bro.
 

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._.

I really don't feel like we deserve this.

Should I stump? I kinda want to now, just for ****s and giggles.
 

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Not yet, Sworddancer. Feeling as though we don't deserve to win, compared to the feeling if we lost? I'll take the former, thank you. As long as you and Nick are the final two, I'm happy with whatever else we do.
 

Cello_Marl

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Stump Vote Paprika

Till Pappy stumps, I'm just going to post to avoid prod. See you in 48 hours.
 
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that's about the worst variation I've seen of my name ever.
 
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way to be a hypocrite.

Summoner, thoughts on who is last scum?
 
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Okay, since tHe-Man was modkilled, might as well do an re-read on simiilarities between him and other non-stumped players.
 

#HBC | Dancer

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Okay, a couple things:

Three odd things I noticed.

One, earlier (before tHE-MAN was modkilled) Nicholas wanted me and omis to stump. I can see were he's coming from, but I also think he is wrong. I know he is wrong about me, and I also think there is a decent chance he is wrong about omis, to. Back then, if he were scum, then I can see why he would push for our stump, because it would be game set and match after wards.

Still though, this isn't much, and I don't really find him that scummy.

The second odd thing I noticed is how people really haven't been pressuring my interactiveness that much. I would think that a lot of people, especially scum (because it would be an easy case), would jump right on that.

The last odd thing I noticed is Summoner's behavior recently. Ever since Cello said that he was cleared, he became very. . . relaxed. Omis already pointed this out, and I kinda have to agree with him. I don't just want him sliding under the radar.

That's it for the weird things I found. More is on its way.
 

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Here is my post analysis of TPK so far. It's still incomplete.

post 148: States how he feels about summoner saying he'll stump himself. Explains the benefits behind forced stumping. An overal okay post.

post 160: I'm kinda confussed with what TPK meant here. He suggests that stumps keep their "real vote", but I know that is not the case. He suggests that

scum might stump so that the day will continue on. This idea seems kinda dumb to me. Why would scum stump when they could just refuse to stump and have the

day continue still? If scum were to go out, and the scum knew he was going to go out, then the scum would much rather be lynched so to send the Day into the

night phrase. The Day is, afterall, towns most powerful tool.

post 164: States that he knows that stump votes don't count towards the count. So I don't really know what TPK meant when he said stumps keep their "real

vote" until. . .

post 166: Admits that he was wrong about stumps keeping their "real vote". States that stumps getting to keep their virtual vote (so you thought that stumps

lose thier virtual vote? I think you've got something mixed up here). Asks Heat if he'll stump for the sake of the town.

post 168: Answers Heat's question.

Post 170: States why Heat stumping could determine the whole game. Questions Heat and states that if Cello didn't follow through with his end of the deal it

would make Cello appear scummy. I kinda like this post. But I have to keep in mind that, if TPK is scum, then I can see why he would want both of them to

stump (Cause you know, it would be two townies closer to winning).

Post 172: States that trading a townie for a scum is always good for the town. Nothing really special here.

post 178: Tells Cello that it is highly unlikely that each individual scum gets a nk. Asks Heat to clarify on. . . something (I can't really follow the

conversation, sorry).

post 181: Continues to ask Heat to clarify. States that lumberjacks can kill stumps.

post 184: Defends why he thinks scum might stump. I still disagree with it.

post 230: Presures Cello to stump. I can't really get anything out of TPK wanting Cello to stump, since it seemed almost everyone wanted him to stump.

post 235: Continues to pressure Cello. Votes Cello.

post 238: Complains that Cello is nitpicking. Even if Cello was nitpicking, I still like that, as I believe nitpicking can turn into bigger, legit cases.

post 242: Questions Cello about his question.

post 245: States that he feels having Cello stump if he's town would help because we know he's gienuen. Okay, once again, I can see this as both scummy and

townie. Townie for the reasons he stated, scummy because it would get scum closer to winning.

He also expresses dislike of Cello for not stumping after Heat in that post.

post 248: Asks Cello for his current suspect list.

post 287: States that he is rereading thus won't be active for awhile.

post 326: Mentions how he was wrong about Cello. States that he is still rereading. Gives Cello his support on Brockin but not SSBF.

post 328: Rebutts an insult/accustion made by Cello. Cello called him out on the fact that he only gave support to him after he flipped town. I do find it a

bit wierd.

post 330: States why he think SSBF might just be a bad townie. States that he is rethinking the game since Cello flipped town.

post 331: States that he doesn't have any opinion on Pierre now that both Heat and Cello flipped town (HMM).

post 333: Defends himself against Cello here. Tells why he think SSBF could just be a bad townie, and states that he isn't only judging off of flips under

the accustion that he was. States that Pierre was a null read for him.

The last part is interesting. If Pierre was a null read for you all along TPK, then why both Heat and Cello flipping town keep him there? This isn't presure,

just a question.

Post 335: Questions why Cello refused to stump. States why he wants cello to explain. Also complains about Cello's wording when he (quickly) gave an

explenation as to why he (Cello) didn't imeditaly stump. Since Cello was proven town at this point, I feel that this a bit of a time waste.

Post 339: Asks how tHE-MAN got onto Cello list of people who want Brockin to stump when he hasn't even posted in awhile.

Post 341: Ends disscussion with Cello about his reason for delaying stumping, (okay, good) and asks Brockin why he still hasn't stumped yet.

post 343: Pressures Xonar to start playing (okay, also good).

Posts 346: Tells Brockin that he now agrees with Cello since he flipped town.

Post 347: Continues to pressure Brockin for not stumping.

post 349: Threatens Brockin to stump or face a lynch.
 

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Cool. After tHe-Man's flip, give TPK a chance to stump, then lynch if he refuses.

...you think Mentos is scummier than tHe-Man?

Well, whatev.
Uh. . . yeah. At the time I was willing to give tHE-MAN the benefit of the doubt because it really seemed like to me that one of them couldn't play and the other just didn't want to play without him. I still found him scummy, though.

Mentos I didn't (and don't) find that scummy, but I don't really find most others scummy, either.

@Everyone: Who thinks it might be a good idea to use our deadline extension today? A d1 win would be pretty cool and stuff.

Alright, that's all for tonight, time for bed.
 

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So. . . where did everyone go? The deadline is coming up on us and I would like to know what we're going to do.

I personally say we use our deadline extension.

Request Deadline Extension

Sworddancer said:
post 3: random votes tHe-Man. This will be interesting if he flips scum.
Dude, it's called RVS.

Even RVS can be used as evidence, even if it's not much. I think possible links can be found in it, in since tHE-MAN has flipped scum, my suspicion of you has gone up a small, tiny bit.

post 32: Points out what he considers to be flaws in Cello's first post. States that he has
an open playstyle and likes to debate. Asked cello why he voted for me. Votes cello.

I don't really think that TPK has been an open player this game, like he said he is. Tell
me, TPK, what other completed games of mafia were you in and what alignment were you? I do
think this could be important to know.
UCM: Mafia
SSBM: Mafia
Muppet: (not completed but I am dead) town

also, have you ever seen marshy or KevinM play? that is a closed playstyle. compared to that my style is quite open. not *THESE ARE MY CARDS* cello style, but you get the point


Alright, thianks. In those games that you have played where you were mafia, would you describe your playstyle "open" as well? What about Muppets where you were town? What would you say the difference is between your town play and scum play, if any? Please be honest.

post 56: He defends himself against Cello. Nothing really noteworthy there. States what
expieriance he has with this set up and states that he wants to reread.

post 57: asks what popcorn mafia is and asks cello to clarify what cellorule #28 means.

post 63: I don't really understand that post. He defends himself. Okay, I understand that
much, but I don't understand what he means by "if you specifically direct a question or FoS
at someone else and I believe you don't perfectly make sense I don't have to think weird of
that, but if you direct something at ME and somehow it is fine for me not understanding it,
you're being illogical." What I don't understand is why he thinks that he doesn't have to
find it wierd when someone makes a bad case against someone else (that's what I'm reading
here, please correct me if I'm wrong).
you're about right. when person A makes a case (irrelevant good/bad) against person B, it is B's job to defend himself, person C doesn't have to defend B.

Okay I can definitly understand that. But don't you think that it could still be good to butt in in some situations? What if the case is scummy? Scum make cases to you know.

If that is what he means, then I find that scummy. In tthat case, he's basically saying that
he ignores cases that arn't directed to him, no matter how bad they are.
Or how good.

See above. If a case is poor, then I believe you should point it out.

He also in that post states that he is "in a trench war" with cello and that cello sticks
out to him.
point being?

Just going over all your posts, even if I don't have anything to say about it.

post 90: He attacks SSBF. He unvotes cello, fos ssbf, and votes *The Jester*. Nothing really
scummy here.

Post 120: He asks Pierre for a read on SSBF. Not much, but I think that it's interesting to
note that Pierre and TPK have very little communication with one another, something I would
expect from scum buddies.
Why would oyu expect that?

Because I would think scum would try to keep away from each other, so that it's harder for links to be formed between if one was to be caught.

post 125: States that he thinks SSBF is a bad townie. He was right, but I don't really trust
TPK's meta knowledge that much.
how so? seems like you are prejudiced here.

See below.

TPK, what other games of mafia were in with SSBF, were he was town? Why did you think that
he was just a bad townie and not a bad scum?
SSBMafia, he was scum. there he took a very aggressive approach on things.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa. If you were only in one game with, in which he was scum, then how would you know that he was a bad townie? How is your meta knowledge of him sufficient? What would lead you to believe that he was just a bad townie but not a bad scum?

post 135: This one is interesting. He complains about the server problems and states that he
doesn't really find reason that when heat confirmed should matter. Okay, fair enough.

HOWEVER, he then goes on to state that there might be a link between Heat and Pierre, and
that he wants Heatstroke, cello, and pierre to stump. What is really interesting to note is
that he only wants Pierre to stump depending on how Cello and Heat flip. If he was scum,
then he would of known that Heat was town, and that there wouldn't be a link between the
two. That way, it could appear that he was focusing on Pierre without attacking him. I think
that there is a good chance this was a bus.
Wut? it had nothing to do with that, but only with Cello proclaiming that heat and pierre were scum. if heat flipped scum and cello town, pierre likely would be town. if the other way round (heat town, cello scum) pierre would more likely be town.
then they both flipped town and I got confused.


Okay, so that's convenient. Out of the two ways you most expected the scenario to turn out, both still would lead you to thinking that Pierre was town. But it ended turning up differently, and so, instead of having another read in case this happened you just "got confused". So no matter what Pierre couldn't turn up scum to you, hm?

Well, at least you're honest.


post 141: Asks Brockin to define "us".

post 144: Answers Brockin's question. Asks Macman a question about lynching stumps. This
question is. . . weird. TPK, why would you want to know? As in, why would it matter?
clarification of the rules. just like at somepoint someone wondered if stumps could die from inactivity and possibly ending the day with that.
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Okay, fair enough. But why would this information matter? That's what I really want to know.

post 145: Disregards the question in his last post. I still find the question wierd. Also, I
find it scummy that even mentions his pm, in the same way I found Cello to be scummy at the
start of the game.
We saw how cello worked out hm?


You're not Cello. Just because Cello did something scummy but ended up being town doesn't mean that someone else can do something similar to it and not expect people to find it suspicions still.

That's all for right now, I'll complete it after school.

Also right now there is some weird things that I noticed about others in this game. I'll see if I can quickly say them on my school's computer later.
Replies in blue.

stuff in red.
I honestly don't see what you're actually case is because this is just a bunch of nitpicking and calling half my posts "weird".
Everything and anything in mafia can be used as evidence, so I'm sorry if I'm "nitpicking".

Right now I'm kinda finding TPK's clearing of SSBF and his thought that Pierre was town to be scummy.
 
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