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Tree Stump Mafia - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in the forest?

Omis

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including myself in your posts
Except no you are wrong again. He lied. Hencely I asked him what he thinks about people who lie. GOSH THAT MAKES NO SENSE HURP DURP DURP.

If I remember correctly I asked him to stump immaedietely after Heat did. I didnt parrot anyone and it is perfectly reasonable not to trust him afterwords seeing as how he lied.

I dont recall saying I was anything more than an average player. Sorry I dont live up to your expectations.

You have a point, while small.

Except I didnt say anything like that.



This is lulzy.

Cello you def have my support on this.

I posted dislike of you rather early comparatively, SSBF
 

Cello_Marl

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One more to go, unless SSBF wants to save us the trouble and stumps himself now.
 

Brockin

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Alright, sorry me, the sharper half of the hydra, hasn't been active in this hydra lately. I've been busy. But right now, i'm thinking we should make stump...

Omis still isn't still off of my scumlist yet, but i feel there are better targets to go after....

Sworddancer largely parroting, and has not really contributed much to the game.

Also, tHe-man is seeming quite scummy as of now. Not posting much and like cello said, he supported turning this into a popcorn game, which i am largely against. So as of now, the three people i want gone most are...

SSBF
tHe-man
Sword

And last but not least on my list is SSBF for reasons already explained.
 
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@Cello Marl: Not in stump votes. I intend on keeping my voting power until I reach L-1 in votes. I don't want to get lynched, but I'm intending on keeping my voting power as long as possible.

I would say that lynching me is probably not a good idea. While Pierre did flip scum, I had an null read leaning toward scum before his flip. I also defended HeatStroke and Brockin a lot and they fliped town. You just got lucky with an mod kill.
 
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Cello, I was about to say "yes and I first want to hear from tHe-Man still." but then SSBF made this thing:


@Cello Marl: Not in stump votes. I intend on keeping my voting power until I reach L-1 in votes. I don't want to get lynched, but I'm intending on keeping my voting power as long as possible.

I would say that lynching me is probably not a good idea. While Pierre did flip scum, I had an null read leaning toward scum before his flip. I also defended HeatStroke and Brockin a lot and they fliped town. You just got lucky with an mod kill.
WHY would you even need your "real" voting power if you are going to die regardless and then lose it. we also agreed ages ago not to lynch ANYONE as there is no point (unless scum forces us to which you seem to be doing now).

Virtual stmup thing: SSBF

Do keep in mind that I still want to see tHe-man post.
Why does everybody sheep on cello when he mentiones tHe-man while I was already stating before that that I didn't like his inactivity?
 

Cello_Marl

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@Paprika: Because I used a point that I thought would convince them, regardless of what I think of it.

Anyway, let's let tHe-Man die of another modkill, which should be on Tuesday. He's been inactive for 5 days anyway, and there's no way out for the scum group. If he would be so gracious as to just let himself die, then Town could get a Day 1 win.

Alternatively, @SSBF: OK. I'm fine with putting you at L-1, on the condition that you self-vote, first. Townies, don't hammer him until he has another chance to stump.
 

Nicholas1024

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Hm, I do believe we've caught our first scum.

Anyway, the_man is slipping down into neutral territory now from the points Cello's made.

@SSBF
I'll vote you, sure. But as Cello says, I'd like to see you self-vote first. Or, we could just put you at L-2 so you can't hammer yourself like you did in SSB mafia.


@Cello
I doubt they'll be inactive for that long. For the past couple days I think both Xonar and Ryker were V/LA. (I think Xonar was at a tourney and Ryker had computer problems.) I think they'll be back in action before the modkill.
 

tHe-Man

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Also, Ryker was completely against turning this game into Popcorn, this is true. However, Xonar was actually in support of the idea (the only person, in fact), and only thought that the problem lay with the execution, not the concept. I repeat, tHe-Man wanted to change this to a Popcorn game.
Reason why I prefer to discuss things with Ryker before I go off posting alone.

/still exhausted and depressed
 
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@Nicholas1024: Why do you want me to self-vote? That is really anti-town and when I self-hammered myself in Smash Bros. Mafia, everyone freaked out (Particularly Meta-Kirby). I'm not about to do something that is anti-townie.
 

SummonerAU

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SSBF, with Pierre's flip, who do you think are the 2 other scum members? Please give a detailed reason why using notable quotes.
 

Nicholas1024

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*snip*

When I self-hammered myself in Smash Bros. Mafia, everyone freaked out (Particularly Meta-Kirby). I'm *snip and fixed it* about to do something that is anti-townie.
Exactly. When we put you at L-1 in SSB mafia, you self-hammered and ended the day pretty early. I think this "I won't stump until you put me at L-1" is a ploy to self-hammer just like before. By having you self-voting, you can't do that.

@Everyone else
What do you say we just put him at L-2 instead of L-1? That way he gets the point but can't hammer himself.

Anyway, I'll start us off by Vote: SSBF
 
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@Nicholas1024: There is no way I'm attempting to self-hammer myself after getting a few people mad at me. Also, I don't see who putting me at L-2 is going to force me to stump myself.

@SummonerAU: I will need to further look into Pierre's post to do that. Shouldn't be that hard since I did the same thing in another game without being asked.
 
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Looking over Pierre's post, the only form of connection I can bond with is The Paprika Killer. Like with me, Pierre seemed to have an relatively nice relationship with him, except that it's less prevalient.

However, I still The Paprika Killer is pro-town, but it does make him slightly less pro-town.

I still need to answer Summoner's question, thought. Will do that later.

To be honset, I'm feeling kind of disinterested in the game. I'll stump myself once I answer Summoner's question.
 

Cello_Marl

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SSBF said:
To be honset, I'm feeling kind of disinterested in the game. I'll stump myself once I answer Summoner's question.
You're willing to stump yourself after you answer Summoner? Did you forget that you can still talk after stumping (that's kinda the point...)? Stump yourself now if you intend to at all.

Let's not waste any more time with SSBF. It's obvious that he's scum; let's move on. Since there are 10 trees still in play, we'll still need 6 votes, unless people want to go to 5. Actually, I think it would be a good idea if people responded to this point, with tHe-Man going first.

@Xonar (offnote): Sorry to hear you're depressed.

Assault against tHe-Man

Frankly, tHe-Man's post recent post (the first in six days, and the second in eleven days[unless you count Ryker's post, in which it is three posts...in eleven days]), reads more to me like it should say, "Post to avoid prod". Actually, every post of his since the first couple of days of the game reads like that.

Eleven days. Eleven days. We're already into overtime, by now.

Let's consider what tHe-Man has actually done so far.

It was obvious to everyone that Popcorn was a terrible, terrible idea. But, instead, you opted to keep your options loose; you agreed in principle, but not that it could be done. In many ways, this is similar to my argument against Brockin.

He then protects Pierre from Heatstroke and Today by attacking my methods, claiming that if Pierre had responded to my accusations, then he'd "get a bull**** response". Super Deluxe Chainsaw Defense Variation Mach 7. (Sidenote: I wonder if the ****** Ryker was referring to was Xonar?)

tHe-Man's argument that putting people at L-1 was a bad idea because scum could self-hammer made sense enough at the time, but then you have to consider that he never offered a viable alternative. That was me; I proposed a corollary to my original suggesting that we only virtually vote. His focus was only on the negative. So, what was tHe-Man's intent? That we play the game normally? Why would he want to abandon a system he agreed would be useful just because...scum might kill themselves. Duh, that's how we win.

Agrees with general sentiment against me (with no actual reason, instead just saying I "reek of scum"), says in his response to my questions to him that he "hates to lurk", then says that "Xonar slows him down...[and he can] trump people later", essentially claiming license to lurk despite his personality.

Also notable is something that occurred in Muppets. I'll only comment on common knowledge (i.e. known flips), but it's important because it influences my reasoning. Xonar (scum) lynched McMayMays (town) in that game. He makes several points against them, and kills them in the same post without giving them a chance to respond. Ryker was responsible for the post in which that occurs in this game, but Xonar still influenced him, as we are aware they had spoken by that point. Here, tHe-Man says, "I get angry when people are ******** after something has been spelled out in front of them", in reference to Popcorn suggestion, no doubt, followed later in the same post with "Second, **** YOU! GO KILL YOURSELF!!!!!!! Why the hell would you want to make this Popcorn Mafia?". No one other than him "spelled out" why it would be a bad idea. A similar incident when he says "NO! NO! NO! Do NOT use our deadline extension" and "No, don't put him at L-1. I've already explained that that is a HORRIBLE idea." in the same post, i.e. berating me for going against an explanation without being given a chance to respond.

Despite "not liking Brockin and Pierre", his next posts (almost a third of his total number of posts) have nothing to do with either. Instead, it focuses on Omis for what was essentially no reason. He then casts Heatstroke in a bad light, then finally gets around to "attacking" Brockin afterward. By "attacking", I mean that he parrots my stance about the logs, then hypocritically says that "votes put people on the defensive" right after he voted for Omis to accomplish that very goal.

"We should stump four people today, methinks, and use our extension tomorrow if it isn't over." I have a huge problem with this. This sentence shows a fundamental misunderstanding of CelloSystem. He wants to stump an arbitrary number of people? Why? Why would we not stump until we find scum? Why would we stop stumping and decide to lynch at MyLo? Why wouldn't we lynch when we did find scum? Later, he says he doesn't want to "overstump". We cannot overstump in this game. That simply isn't possible. Again, fundamental misunderstanding.

Also of note, the "overstump caution" post is the same post in which he suddenly changes his mind on Pierre and actually votes for Brockin, after my first virtual vote count, in which Pierre has the most votes. SSBF also attacks my virtual vote counts at that point, saying that I'm not the mod.

Eleven days. That's how long they waited.
 

Cello_Marl

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EBWOP:

A similar incident when he says "NO! NO! NO! Do NOT use our deadline extension" and "No, don't put him at L-1. I've already explained that that is a HORRIBLE idea." in the same post, i.e. berating me for going against an explanation without being given a chance to respond.
should read:

Similar incidents occur when he says "NO! NO! NO! Do NOT use our deadline extension. Especially if you're intent on giving scum the ability to quickhammer themselves." and "No, don't put him at L-1. I've already explained that that is a HORRIBLE idea", all in the same post, i.e. berating me for going against an explanation without being given a chance to respond.
Everyone, just start voting for SSBF. He's officially refused and we might as well go on to Day 2 since tHe-Man won't let himself get modkilled. If I should die, use my free-stump on tHe-Man, and lynch him when he refuses.

Brockin and Heatstroke, if either of you should die, is there a particular person that you would like to see stumped?
 
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what cello said was what I basically already was pointing at monday people. wake up and get pressure on tHe-Man.

SSBF, if you are disinterested, request replacement, because stumping doesn't change s***, I mean look at cello.
 

mentosman8

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Ok guys, sorry I didn't post yesterday at all, had a lot of stuff distracting me, and was looking things back over after seeing Pierre flip scum. Here's the biggest thing I've come up with.

The-Man looks a LOT worse since Pierre flipped scum. "But why, Mentos, he was calling him scummy so much!" That's EXACTLY why he looks bad to me. He repeatedly called him scummy throughout the part of the day he was active. However, he never so much as gave a reason, despite saying that he had one. This makes it look a lot to me like just a distancing between the two. That way, when Pierre flipped scum, the-man could say "look, I was calling him scummy and wanted to get rid of him," without ever risking persuading town to go along with it. It is a VERY uncomfortable bit of play, and, especially combined with the very good analysis Cello provided in 540 makes him my top stump candidate right now.

As for SSBF, him stumping isn't a bad idea. I'm not familiar with him or his play at all, so I'm sometimes questioning my read on him, however with the extra stump we just earned from Pierre's modkill, I'm comfortable getting him to stump since I'm leaning scum, and if it was someone I knew and not influenced by unfamiliarity, it would be a stronger read. Obviously he's refusing to stump before getting to -1, but I'm not sure how many votes are on him so I don't want to place anything yet.

So yeah, the-man can definitely die, and SSBF needs to stump if he's town. After the next vote-count I'll place my vote on SSBF since that seems to be town's first target right now, just don't want to risk accidentally hammering in case he is town we can get both out of the way today.
 

mentosman8

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@Mentos: Why did you consider my actions based on your experiences with me, but Brockin's actions based on what "scum do in general"? Why did you abandon me when you starting taking heat for it, thereby taking the "safe route", the very scumtell you used against Brockin?
Forgot to respond to this, so here goes. What you were doing was perfectly in line with situations I've seen you in. Most specifically, your play in Millers Hollow when you lied about who you investigated hoping to net a scum. This seemed directly in line with what I saw in that game.

Brockin, however, I have never seen in a situation analogous to the one he was in. Not to mention it was two players combined instead of one, it made it murkier in terms of judging based on the past. Since I didn't know what to expect in the given situation from the two of them, I was forced to rely on the general scum-tells, instead of player-specific reads.

Finally, in my first post of the game, where I said I thought you were town, I said:

although I do want him to stump by the end of the day simply because the longer he doesn't, the less I'll be able to trust him.
I never abandoned you, or took the safe route, I just elaborated on my original comment. From the time you originally refused stumping, it essentially started a countdown in my head, and the longer the timer ran the more I was going to be forced to question my read on you. When I got thrown on the defensive immediately after that post, I was forced to elaborate, which made the same basic thought process seem much heavier.
 
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My argument is in red.

Except no you are wrong again. He lied. Hencely I asked him what he thinks about people who lie. GOSH THAT MAKES NO SENSE HURP DURP DURP.

You do have a point there, I will admit. However, I don't thinking lying about not checking the thread is worthy of the "Lynch All Liars" policy. Lying about a role I understand, but I don't see why you needed to ask HeatStroke that question over him lyning about not checking the thread.

If I remember correctly I asked him to stump immaedietely after Heat did. I didnt parrot anyone and it is perfectly reasonable not to trust him afterwords seeing as how he lied.

I will admit that your first post after HeatStroke stumped himself was basically asking Cello to stump himself, but it wasn't immediately after HeatStroke stumped. If I recall correctly, HeatStroke stumped himself on April 23, 2010. You asked Cello to stump on April 24, 2010.

How can you not say you haven't parroted anyone? It's obvious that you parroted Cello throughout most of the time that Cello's role was unknown. For example, like Cello, you wanted HeatStroke, Brockin, and Pierre to stump as well.

I also notice a contradiction. The order you wanted stumped was HeatStroke, Brockin, Cello Marl, and Pierre The Scarecrow in that order. However, after Cello lied, you got mad at him and asked that he stumped. By that time, Brockin had not stumped yet and still had all rights by the time Cello stumped as well.

I dont recall saying I was anything more than an average player. Sorry I dont live up to your expectations.

You did say in the Social thread that you wanted to see if we've gotten good yet.

Except I didnt say anything like that.

Just before the Tree Stump thread was created, you did post that. Try searching posts from April, 2010 and you'll find a post that basically say "Have you gotten good yet?".

I posted dislike of you rather early comparatively, SSBF

The game started on April 20, 2010. You stated the first possible dislike of me on April 26 at 10:23PM. You can't say you posted dislike of me early on the game.
Might as well end this post with this...

ALAKAZAM KADABRA ABRA GENGAR!
 

Nicholas1024

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So SSBF is town after all? Need to reread and reevaluate. ATM Omis is my #1 choice though.
 

Brockin

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Since the-man is obviously gonna go, I would want to see Omis and swordsdancer stumped.
 

Xiivi

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@Mod: Can stumps die from inactivity and would this end the Day, as normal?
Yes; yes.

Day 1 Vote Count X-7
mentosman8: (0)
Omis: (0)
Nicholas1024: (0)
SummonerAU: (0)
Sworddancer.: (0)
tHe-Man: (0)
The Paprika Killer: (0)
Not Voting:
mentosman8, Omis, Nicholas1024, SummonerAU, Sworddancer., tHe-Man, The Paprika Killer (
)

Living Treestumps:
HeatStroke (Town)
Cello_Marl (Town)

Brockin (Town)
Super Smash Bros. Fan (Town)

4/7 to lynch.
Deadline is May 8, 11:59PM EST.
 

Cello_Marl

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My brain just shut down.

I'll take a transcript of this game to work tomororw mornign. nede to thnik.
 
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Xonar, come on. You're posting in DBZ mafia so I know you're here. this is just bad sportsmanship.
 

Nicholas1024

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Yeah... Xonar's been extreme-lurking so much, my read on him has totally flipped from town to scum.
 

#HBC | Dancer

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:ohwell:

Nicholas is scum.

It's my sixth sense telling me that.

I'm rereading now.

@Everyone: Does anyone think Pierre was bussing Omis? How strong of a chance could this be?
 

Cello_Marl

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@Mod: How many Extend Deadline Requests are necessary to extend the deadline? Is it based on players alive or players in the game?
 
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you want swords dead, why don't you do it?
no 'ffence but so far your leads haven't been that well, out of all the dead/stumped people you were after (which are all dead/stumped people) 1 was scum, 3 were town. I could do the same thing by flipping a coin since that is the scum/town ratio in this game.
 

Cello_Marl

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I was wondering when someone would finally say that.

Fine, let Cello do all the heavy lifting. Again. I'll just remind you that you agreed with those leads, actually, every stumping.
 
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I never said I'd do better, but you lead (led? someone improve my grammar) every single attack.

also, where is your aggression against tHe-Man?
 
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