Top ten at Apex 2013 predictions.

[Froggy]

***** I don't give a **** what the current ruleset aka spacies ruleset is. FoD is banned or this MM isn't happening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpNgah-e6v4

 

[Anand]

***** I don't give a **** what the current ruleset aka spacies ruleset is. FoD is banned or this MM isn't happening

What I read: Leffen and I are really close in skill level, and banning FoD is the extra push I need to tip the odds in my favor by enough that I'll accept the MM.

 

[Chisk1n]

MM $5 to get the best puff practice ?? don't be cheap son, at least $20 or wait to the bracket to use that noob fox, better stay with sheik

Btw, HBox should play with the world he is argentinian <3

 

[The Business]

MM $5 to get the best puff practice ?? don't be cheap son, at least $20 or wait to the bracket to use that noob fox, better stay with sheik

Btw, HBox should play with the world he is argentinian <3

by that logic, every American should play for the world because they all have roots outside of America.

 

[Chisk1n]

sarcasm my friend, i know that's not happening and also hbox already has played with usa he cant represent another country like in football-soccer. But that would be cool cause i rate hbox very highly and for me is the best player to team with C:

 

[Hax]

What I read: Leffen and I are really close in skill level, and banning FoD is the extra push I need to tip the odds in my favor by enough that I'll accept the MM.

I wasn't even aware Apex was using this terrible ruleset. at RoM5 a bunch of us were discussing how literally nobody agreed with it. no bans makes no sense

FoD is virtually a free win for any of the top tiers vs Falcon, but **** it, the MM's still on. but god damn that ruleset needs to change for future tournaments

 

[RFrizzle]

It's not an advantage for Hax because Fox wins on every other stage anyway.
Also I think dmsr would only eliminate one stage right?

 

[ZeldaFreak0309]

Apex doesn't have bans?

I was under the impression that the ruleset was still under discussion (which is why it's not updated on the Apex website).

All sets should have bans, whether it's bo3 or bo5 or bo7. I get leffen's point that it becomes dumb when you only have 2 out of 6 stages to choose from with 2 bans and 2 DSR, so maybe remove DSR/DMSR for bo5/bo7? It seems more important that bans remain imo

 

[tarheeljks]

65-55 (?)

wasn't meant to be a wager. for the pot since the amount of $ looked to be a sticking point

 

[Alex Strife]

bo5 has no bans ... bo3 does.

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

I wasn't even aware Apex was using this terrible ruleset. at RoM5 a bunch of us were discussing how literally nobody agreed with it. no bans makes no sense

FoD is virtually a free win for any of the top tiers vs Falcon, but **** it, the MM's still on. but god damn that ruleset needs to change for future tournaments

100% agree

no ban = ********, whoever came up with it was not in their right mind

 

[Alex Strife]

that was the mbr ruleset... - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=313252

But I will have the peeps look over it. If Juggleguy/Chain-ace/Fullmetal are ok with it then that is all i need

 

[Strong Badam]

oh wow take a look a bunch of Fastfaller mains hating not having a ban

GEEE WILLICKERS

 

[Alex Strife]

I curious to see how anyone can suggest how to do bo5 with a ban.

One person bans 1 stage
one person bans 1 stage

left with 3 stages and if one person wins on both then the final stage has to be played on.

 

[Divinokage]

Im curious why all of a sudden there's complaint about the ruleset?

 

[The Business]

Im curious why all of a sudden there's complaint about the ruleset?

looks like hax has had a problem with it for a while, and people are piggy-backing onto his complaints.

because he pro falcon and we love falcon

 

[KrIsP!]

Bo5 cannot work with Dsr and bans, you'd have to choose one over the other. It comes down to whether you want to allow people to choose which stage is not played on or force people to play on their worst stage. The catch is they only have to play it once and that doesn't mean they autolose on the counter pick. I unno, I like no bans in a bo5 and I'm not a FF main, in the context of a marth fox match up, having bans ruins marth...let's face it; this is a spacy dominated game. Ban fox and everything is fixed.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Bans suck

You guys are whaaackkk

Aziz, Johnny ***** on fountain jus watch him its beautiful

stomp stomp stomp

 

[Juggleguy]

I don't understand the sudden hate for the current ruleset either.

1. It simply isn't feasible to have both DSR and the ability to ban in a best-of-5 set under the current stagelist; there aren't enough stages for both to co-exist, this is well established and shouldn't be under debate

2. The smaller scope of our current stagelist reduces the need for bans; and the fact that no straight-up "jank" stage exists in our current stagelist eliminates the need for bans completely in a best-of-5 set

3. No bans only applies to best-of-5 sets, meaning the only players affected are the ones in the final few sets of a tourney; the best players should be subjected to a ruleset that promotes the most competitive sets

So obviously, we have to eliminate either DSR or the ability to ban in a best-of-5 set under the current stagelist. It comes down to: getting counterpicked to your second-worst stage twice in a best-of-5 set, or getting counterpicked to your worst stage once in a best-of-5 set. I think the latter is more reasonable because our current stagelist is very small and anti-jank, and the current Apex ruleset reflects this same train of thought.

On a side note, there are also other positive effects of going with no bans instead of no DSR: sets in the final phases of a tourney are going to Game 5 much more frequently, and are being played on a diverse lineup of stages much more frequently, and both of these facts boost the spectator and stream value for our community.

 

[Prince_Abu]

u cud just use modified dsr and also have bans

 

[Divinokage]

If so then Alex NEEDS to make it clear which DSR he is using because if not ruleset checks will happen again.

Can you pick a stage you already won on or the LAST one you won?

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

oh wow take a look a bunch of Fastfaller mains hating not having a ban

GEEE WILLICKERS

You act like other characters don't have ****ty stages either. Hell, I'm not even arguing it for my own sake, cuz Socal never ever runs no bans in best of 5 and only like 5 people at Apex make it far enough to play best of 5s in tournament anyway. I just legitimately think it's DUMB

@other d00ds, bans work in best of 5 if DSR affects only the last stage you won on.

 

[Hax]

just allow the stage game 1 is played on to be replayed in game 5 if there is a game 5. the stage game 1 was played on should be the fairest stage for a matchup, so this makes sense

for example:

Falcon bans FoD, Fox bans DL64

game 1 is struck to FD (Falcon strikes Yoshi's/FoD, Fox strikes DL64/BF) - Falcon wins
game 2 - Yoshi's - Fox wins
game 3 - Battlefield - Falcon wins
game 4 - Stadium - Fox wins
game 5 - FD again

much fairer system

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

cuz Socal never ever runs no bans in best of 5

Except every single OXY tournament lol

If ya'll do bans on your own thats up to you but since its Falco dittos every time its not like it matters anyway

 

[hyoipear]

Haha yo, hype! This must be streamed!

 

[Juggleguy]

just allow the stage game 1 is played on to be replayed in game 5 if there is a game 5. the stage game 1 was played on should be the fairest stage for a matchup, so this makes sense

What you're saying is almost the same thing as DSRM. This is part of the reason why the MBR ruleset should be changed to have DSRM be the default option. There's a reason almost all major tourneys in 2012 (Apex, NWM, Zenith, Impulse, SRMG, Rule 6, Big House, Kings of Cali) decided to use DSRM instead of DSR. Well, except for ROM 5...

 

[Jockmaster]

I actually like Haxs idea, that in a completely competitive set both players have two advantageous stages, two disadvantageous, and one neutral they must play on in Bo5

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Except every single OXY tournament lol

If ya'll do bans on your own thats up to you but since its Falco dittos every time its not like it matters anyway

good joke

Whether it's me, sung, baka, jesson, oscar, johnny, fly, wes or anyone else, I've always seen best of 5s have bans at oxy tournaments. If no bans is actually the rule, the fact no one listens to it should tell you how the best active players in your region feel about it lol

 

[Hax]

I actually like Haxs idea, that in a completely competitive set both players have two advantageous stages, two disadvantageous, and one neutral they must play on in Bo5

I mean, it still favors spacies (FD - fair, Yoshi's - good for Fox, BF - good for Falcon, PS - good for Fox, FD - fair) (2 fair, 2 good for Fox, 1 good for Falcon) but it's as fair as you can make it. doesn't make any sense to throw another stage that heavily favors Fox in there.

my ruleset or bust, leffen. I met your terms, now you meet mine.

 

[ZeldaFreak0309]

So obviously, we have to eliminate either DSR or the ability to ban in a best-of-5 set under the current stagelist. It comes down to: getting counterpicked to your second-worst stage twice in a best-of-5 set, or getting counterpicked to your worst stage once in a best-of-5 set. I think the latter is more reasonable because our current stagelist is very small and anti-jank, and the current Apex ruleset reflects this same train of thought.

That seems like a reason FOR bans to me.

Our current stagelist is small and anti-jank, which means that any janky/horribly imbalanced situations are marginal! That's PRECISELY WHY bans are good. They allow the players to collectively remove the few matchup-stage configurations that are imbalanced, so that they can play a set OUTSIDE of those configurations.

The idea is that the post-bans stageset is fair enough that your second-worst stage isn't significantly worse than your other stage options, whereas without bans, your worst stage may be very significantly worse than the others. What's a situation where this isn't the case?

 

[Divinokage]

Go play SF if you don't want any stage seriously.

 

[hungrybox]

by that logic, every American should play for the world because they all have roots outside of America.

Not necessarily.

I'm not an American citizen. Although I did get my green card in April, I'm still only a permanent resident.

KK: Sure, as long as I get friendlies with your sheik afterwards.

 

[Alex Strife]

We are using dsrm

 

[Shimesaba]

We are using dsrm

I think I remember there being some uncertainty recently as to which version is which, so just to double-check this, by DSRM you mean the version that states that players may not counterpick to the stage which they won on most recently, and not the version of DSR that states that players may not counterpick to any stage they have won on - is that correct?

 

[KirbyKaze]

KK: Sure, as long as I get friendlies with your sheik afterwards.

Why don't you and I just hog a recording setup and play tons of matches lol

I doubt anyone will mind

If they try to interrupt we can play the "You must be this skilled to enter" card and give them the evil eye!

...Or politely decline since we're like trying to evolve the metagame and stuff.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

We could also bring a stage back and use dsrm so we can have bans. Maybe bring back a stage that is fine and maybe has some sort of acid...

 

[Wake]

Brinstar sucks. Please no.

 

[Habefiet]

Bring back Mute City!

HBox and KK should just take a recording setup for, like, a day, and run through all possible matchups of all their secondaries. I want to see this supposed HBox Marth. :D

 

[Yung Mei]

somebody take a full recording setup for money matches, with a camera + recording mic to get crowd reactions :3c

 

[hungrybox]

Why don't you and I just hog a recording setup and play tons of matches lol

I doubt anyone will mind

If they try to interrupt we can play the "You must be this skilled to enter" card and give them the evil eye!

...Or politely decline since we're like trying to evolve the metagame and stuff.

Or the "beat us" card

This is gonna be good ^_^

I wanna do ness v sheik as well