Tier List Speculation

[Chesstiger2612]

You are good with handling items though.

 

[Bryonato]

You are good with handling items though.

Which is a skill everyone should learn in this game

 

[sneakytako]

Rob beats diddy, it's just the MU.

 

[Juushichi]

i got some m2k vibes from that post, oracle. gj +1

also. i've played it a few times, so call me crazy

but gnw doesn't lose to ddk, probably. maybe.

 

[Saproling]

Like I said I don't really know what im saying when it comes to Diddy.Im really just giving my opinion on what I know and have seen,its not very educated though.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Well Diddy is just moving fast and pressuring everywhere, you need both solid defensive skills and know the matchup and know how to handle items... just a character who is a bit difficult to fight

 

[JacopeX]

It is times like this where I wished MMcafe had a Project M Tier Chart Maker.

I feel like a list is too vague since I cannot stand it when people put a group of characters in one tier with no real order. -_-

 

[Saproling]

Cant argue with that,he is quite annoying.

 

[Jacob29]

You don't need to hit Bowser with a PKT1 to gimp him seeing how it:

a) doesn't even work
b) his recovery is so predictable you can just hit him with a pk flash.

http://youtu.be/LxcGsdzpzVs?t=24m48s

Real talk, I don't know if I could have done anything else to come back in without being hit by it.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

aMSa picked up Lucario?

Correction, Lucario picked up aMSa.

 

[jtm94]

V3ctorman said to be playing Yoshi because aMSa said something bad about Yoshi in PM.

Diddy isn't OP, bananas can be dealt with, peanuts can be grabbed. I've had people take the peanut I shoot at them as they recover and then they AGT with it to help them recover.

I actually find it hard to land KO moves with Diddy because I can't get people to just let me hit them with bananas, also his upthrow really isn't that strong unless you're playing against Samus on Pokemon Stadium. It might KO her at around 120%

 

[FlamingForce]

V3ctorman said to be playing Yoshi because aMSa said something bad about Yoshi in PM.

Diddy isn't OP, bananas can be dealt with, peanuts can be grabbed. I've had people take the peanut I shoot at them as they recover and then they AGT with it to help them recover.

I actually find it hard to land KO moves with Diddy because I can't get people to just let me hit them with bananas, also his upthrow really isn't that strong unless you're playing against Samus on Pokemon Stadium. It might KO her at around 120%

Uthrow has no kill power at all lol its like trying to kill with Roy/Marth's uthrow.

 

[Ripple]

diddy's up throw is the 3rd or 4th strongest in the game

 

[sneakytako]

The misconceptions of diddy in this game I swear.

 

[FlamingForce]

The misconceptions of diddy in this game I swear.

What misconceptions? Uthrow really doesnt kill samus on PS until a good 120% has been dealt. (with poor DI)

 

[Ripple]

which means that's a strong up-throw.

you know what % marth's up-throw kills samus? 180%

 

[GP&B]

Needs more time and exposure.

 

[woundedust]

how about this
to fix everyone, they all get falco lasers.

approach problems fixed.

 

[sneakytako]

which means that's a strong up-throw.

you know what % marth's up-throw kills samus? 180%

Lol bodied. Does it even kill at 180%? I feel like that's too soon.

 

[woundedust]

in all seriousness, im thinking of some ideas for buffing ganon and ness and jiggles
GANON:
he can store warlock punch, charging throught the start up, l cancel store, then release.
up b made faster and given more distance.
Nair changed to sex kick with higher priority to increase approach
armor on down b and dash attack
down b given less lag frames

NESS:
fair and nair non CC able
dash attack given less lag frames.
pk fire moves faster

jiggles:
more ground mobility
longer grab range
roll out charge time greatly decreased
pound ending lag decreased

 

[Bryonato]

pk fire moves faster

definitely doesnt need that.

 

[SixSaw]

definitely doesnt need that.

Assuming it still had the same lag, pkf moving faster would actually make it easier to avoid imo.

 

[woundedust]

on the topic of ness

the child has the power to flatten a city in his head and he uses a damn yoyo

at least electrify it a little

 

[Bryonato]

Assuming it still had the same lag, pkf moving faster would actually make it easier to avoid imo.

that's a fair point. still don't think he necessarily needs that change i guess

 

[Oracle]

fair non ccable? dash attack less laggy? pls go

 

[sneakytako]

fair non ccable? dash attack less laggy? pls go

Why not, are you saying that this change would make him broken? (I'm being facetious fyi)

 

[woundedust]

it would only make him as broken as EVERY OTHER CHARACTER IN THE GAME
*couchmariodaircough*

 

[Bryonato]

If anything I'd just like melee DA back.

 

[Xcite]

Is there a general consensus that recoveries in general are too good in PM?

 

[mYzeALot]

Yeah, recoveries are super good in PM for the most part. An exception is Wario, who is kind of an aerial character... Just sayin.

 

[Tlock]

Is there a general consensus that recoveries in general are too good in PM?

Unfortunately, no.

 

[Bryonato]

Is there a general consensus that recoveries in general are too good in PM?

people like to complain that recoveries are a lot better across the board than they were in melee but that's really just the nature of the game. characters have better recoveries.
meh.

 

[didds]

If everyone's recovery is amazing then everyone's edgeguarding potential should be amazing too or something mega meta game wowweee right?

We'll adapt and evolve.

Don't stop evolution, dude.

 

[GP&B]

Too good? No. (Mostly) everyone has a functionally good recovery or the characters that were terrible that had good recoveries now have both. There's maybe a few that are kind of insane to edgeguard, but for the most part get better.

 

[Soft Serve]

Other than tethers, recoveries in PM are pretty on par with some of the good recoveries in melee
Peach/Samus/Jiggs probably still win for longest/most resiliant/most versatile recovery, with their challengers being Pit/MK/M2/Tink imo. Recoveries are longer but most are really predictable and don't have as many options as we got used to. I think the average recovery is on par with Ganon's melee recovery in that its long, but is predictable/doesn't cover itself well. Most characters have to go high or sweetspot the ledge, just like in melee. you just have to recognize what they are going for a bit sooner i think.

Roy/Wario/marth/shiek all still have **** tier recoveries with limited options.

 

[KayB]

Rob beats diddy, it's just the MU.

Explanation please?

Is there a general consensus that recoveries in general are too good in PM?

Aside from the tether recoveries, there aren't too many insane recoveries (I say tether because I know that staying on the ledge forces them up, but it's still an extra option that you have to execute and it's harder to gimp depending on your character). I think the reason why people say that recoveries are too good in this game is because for the most part, recoveries were kind of meh in Melee. Falco has a very short up b (able to compensate for this by being able to angle it and use side-b (shorten) as a recovery), Sheik's and Falcon's can be punished hard, Marth's recovery=light shield and more, Ice Climbers nana's ****ed, Dr. Mario's sucks obviously, so on and so forth.

I do think Mario's recovery with the wall jump out of up-b is a bit ridiculous. He already has cape, fire balls, and Mario tornado. He is strong both in the air and on stage and can control the midstage game very well will fireballs and speed. I just think an even larger up-b range is unnecessary.

 

[woundedust]

For every complaint we should jusy compensate everyone by giving them the over powered thing.

"Tether recovery too good"

Everyone gets tether

Durn fireballs

Everyone gets a stupid over powered projectile

 

[Deleted member]

let's put home run bat hits on all the recoveries for 2 weeks until we all realize that it's ****ing absurd on ivysaur

edit: can texas or bryon or someone stream tonight? i'm at work and it's ****ing boring atm.

 

[Bryonato]

edit: can texas or bryon or someone stream tonight? i'm at work and it's ****ing boring atm.

i'm streaming tonight dont worry bbydoll!

 

[Deleted member]

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