jtm94
Smash Lord
Why does Link's dair send you into the sun? Doesn't make much sense to me either, get over the decent angle it sends at, how dare Diddy have a decent move.
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Tier List Speculation
- Thread starter OkamiBW
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Elion33
Smash Rookie
Ok ladies and gents, after looking at videos, playing the game and reading the discussions here I came up with this tier list:
S
A+
A
B
Just my 2 cents.
S
A+
A
B
Just my 2 cents.
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DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
ROB forever mid tier
forever unloved
forever unbuffed
forever unloved
forever unbuffed
Elion33
Smash Rookie
Honestly I think Rob is good.
But I agree, aside Jcaesar, nobody uses him...
Thane of Blue Flames
Fire is catching.
What is BStuck and Oracle?
Yeah no one used R.O.B in Apex top 8 pff nah
A R.O.B totally didn't almost beat Armada's Pit, nope
Yeah no one used R.O.B in Apex top 8 pff nah
A R.O.B totally didn't almost beat Armada's Pit, nope
Elion33
Smash Rookie
Ops, I forgot, my bad
Elion33
Smash Rookie
Double post
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DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Really Oracle should be on people's minds when they think of notable ROBs, not JCz
JCz hasn't really placed nearly as well at anything significant
Regardless, character representation isn't the only factor in determining how good a character is.
Good players can carry mediocre characters, exceptional players can carry bad characters.
Not to say ROB is necessarily terrible. Just that good players don't mean good characters.
JCz hasn't really placed nearly as well at anything significant
Regardless, character representation isn't the only factor in determining how good a character is.
Good players can carry mediocre characters, exceptional players can carry bad characters.
Not to say ROB is necessarily terrible. Just that good players don't mean good characters.
sneakytako
Smash Lord
Are you ****ing kidding me? Do you really not understand the difference between diddy's fair against the rest of the cast? QFT.
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he's not changing right now
you either have to wait for someone to prove that he's too strong, or prove it yourself
nothing is so glaringly broken with Diddy that it needs to be fixed
yea, it's a low angled attack, they exist
nvm, Diddy actually is too strong
you either have to wait for someone to prove that he's too strong, or prove it yourself
nothing is so glaringly broken with Diddy that it needs to be fixed
yea, it's a low angled attack, they exist
nvm, Diddy actually is too strong
Jacob29
Smash Ace
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personally to me I think Marth might be a touch too high, mewtwo too high, i'd put TL and Zelda higher in the A tier (assuming they are ordered within tiers). Also I don't think Ness is the second worst in the game.Ok ladies and gents, after looking at videos, playing the game and reading the discussions here I came up with this tier list:
S
A+
A
B
Just my 2 cents.
Elion33
Smash Rookie
Marth is definitely good with his good range and combo game, but maybe you're right.
Ness is mediocre; he is basically Melee Ness with better B attacks, but if they don't adjust his neutral game he will always be average.
If you don't mind my asking on why squirtle is bottom? or was it just kind of a left over character type of thing?Marth is definitely good with his good range and combo game, but maybe you're right.
Ness is mediocre; he is basically Melee Ness with better B attacks, but if they don't adjust his neutral game he will always be average.
Elion33
Smash Rookie
Squirtle is not bad, it's just all the other characters are better.
With some little buff on his Smash attacks and specials he could be definitely better, like extending bubbles range or making Fsmash stronger.
What do you think will make Squirtle better?
I feel like you should be complaining more about fox ' s upsmash and u air instead of diddy's fsmash and fair.
Sheiks fair is just as bad honestly, and easier to land (might not be by much, but it is). You also shouldn't be getting hit by diddy's fsmash all that often (unless you were trapped into it or the Diddy got a solid read on you ). It also has a considerable lag and is easily punished on whiff. Gawd forbid he doesn't space it correctly which would hit you with the first hit which usually pushes people away (if they know its coming) before second hit connects which is the killing blow...
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Elion33
Smash Rookie
Isn't also pretty easy to DI out of Diddy's Fsmash?
sneakytako
Smash Lord
Diddy has bananas. You get glide tossed into fsmash. How is that not easy?
And no it isn't easy to DI's diddy's fsmash, especially after the last patch.
Diddy made sense in the last patch because banana's didn't trip when thrown so it was reasonable to give him strong kill moves.
Now Diddy has way more stage control, with top tier kill moves that get combed from banana toss.
But it's really fair that's not fair. No joke.
Not to mention he also has an upthrow that kills. Why does this guy have so many kill moves Q.Q.
DLA I summon you to explain how diddy is broken.
And no it isn't easy to DI's diddy's fsmash, especially after the last patch.
Diddy made sense in the last patch because banana's didn't trip when thrown so it was reasonable to give him strong kill moves.
Now Diddy has way more stage control, with top tier kill moves that get combed from banana toss.
But it's really fair that's not fair. No joke.
Not to mention he also has an upthrow that kills. Why does this guy have so many kill moves Q.Q.
DLA I summon you to explain how diddy is broken.
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If he hits you with the first hit of fsmash, you can often escape being killed by the second hit because it will miss since you have been pushed out of range.
Elion33
Smash Rookie
That could work if the Ness' opponent is not a very skilled player. Very good players will not be gimped by PK1 because they know how to properly recover.
tbh I always thought Squirtle was pretty solid as is. The thing about squirtle which I think might make him better than other characters has everything to do with his movement. His movement versatility and speed paired with arguably the best tools to navigate through projectiles is highly underrated in this game, especially considering how projectile and zoning heavy this game can be at times. He has viable kill options (including a kill grab that has a solid DI mixup to lead into fairs). He can close space at an incredibly fast pace. He's also got a decent gimp game and can go out further for edge guards than a lot of the cast. Dat double jump.Squirtle is not bad, it's just all the other characters are better.
With some little buff on his Smash attacks and specials he could be definitely better, like extending bubbles range or making Fsmash stronger.
What do you think will make Squirtle better?
He does have weaknesses still, and I see a major one being his vulnerability to good tech chasers, Squirtle's tech is crap.
I just fear that he's a little under explored (like most of the cast) and that we shouldn't be too quick to look for buffs.
Never underestimate movement in this game, it definitely helps fox out a whole lot.
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so, apparently diddy is OP, right?
obviously, you have footage of high level play that supports such a statement, right?
no? everyone's just complaining about theories that have little current basis in practice? well ain't that something new
obviously, you have footage of high level play that supports such a statement, right?
no? everyone's just complaining about theories that have little current basis in practice? well ain't that something new
MLGF
Smash Lord
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You'd...
You'd be surprised.
PK thunder has a ton of histun on both its head and string, it's a solid gimping tool on some of the lesser safe recoveries. Not only that, but if you PK thunder and bring them close to the stage, the hitstun is high enough for a free bair back off.
In my experience, this generally works on a lot of characters with weaker recoveries. Off course it's not stopping Meta Knight, but it'll make gimping Falcon a snatch.
Elion33
Smash Rookie
Nerf everyone, with the exception of Squirtle
mimgrim
Smash Hero
The only thing Squirtle needs is for Water Gun to be given more utility.
Otherwise he is extremely solid. For the reasons didds said. He is definitely not the worst character in the game.
Otherwise he is extremely solid. For the reasons didds said. He is definitely not the worst character in the game.
Elion33
Smash Rookie
Someone needs to be the worst character in the game.
sneakytako
Smash Lord
I wouldn't go so far to say diddy is OP. It's just that diddy doesn't need his fair and fsmash to be THAT good. It's pretty ridiculous atm compared to other moves.
Let me explain by using an example. Snake's ftilt and uptilt are ridiculous in brawl that probably deserved to get nerfed. However snake isn't broken himself because he has exploitable weakness that keep him from being a top tier. Similar situation, where the move is broken but the character isn't.
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mimgrim
Smash Hero
Ganondorf. Or Jigglypuff. Take your pick. But it definitely is not Squirtle. lolSomeone needs to be the worst character in the game.
Elion33
Smash Rookie
Well, definitely Jiggs.
At least our Dorf have powerful attacks and better spacing.
But they are both bad
At least our Dorf have powerful attacks and better spacing.
But they are both bad
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The nice thing about squirtle is that I don't think he has any matchups that are as brutal for him as some of the crap dorf and jiggs have to deal with. Those two have trouble with projectiles which is a huge, huge disadvantage in this game.
Edit: we'll see though, just my early impressions, it's quite possible that squirtle gets stomped in a couple of matchups.
Edit: we'll see though, just my early impressions, it's quite possible that squirtle gets stomped in a couple of matchups.
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1FD
Smash Ace
Sounds like Fox up smash and Lucas up throw
Totally rad moves on chars already rad maaaaan
I still don't know how I feel about Lucas's up throw, or even M2's for that matter. It used to be a necessity in melee for M2 since it was one of his only reliable kill options, but it may be overkill now with his new tool set. At least M2 is still really fat with that tail of his.
I hate lucas, I blame my matchup knowledge, but I still hate him
I hate lucas, I blame my matchup knowledge, but I still hate him
Bryonato
Green Hat
it definitely works on fast fallers. i think it's essential for the spacie mus. on floatier characters with better recoveries it's more or less a crap shoot, unless hitting them with it forces a tech when they land back on stage.
MysteryRevengerson
IT'S A MYSTERY TO ALL
Boss thinks Diddy's broken and plays him
Just sayin'
Just sayin'
BluntedMask
Smash Apprentice
You could screw over charizard very easy with that if hes gliding.
In fact anyone could, once knocked out of glide his recovery is akin to falcon's upb that can sweetspot.
In fact anyone could, once knocked out of glide his recovery is akin to falcon's upb that can sweetspot.
Chesstiger2612
Smash Lord
Diddy is 6th at least. So good! But I think not quite broken yet. We don't need to choose a "most-broken-character-of-the-current-version", and 3.0 Diddy is by far not as good (or has a moveset too much relying on one move) as 2.6 Ivy, 2.5 Sonic, or Ike, Lucario and Zelda in earlier builds
Oracle
Smash Master
Ive beaten all the diddys that ppl consider good. Maybe its bc I am really good with items or rob just beats diddy or something but ive never had trouble vs the chara ter. Its clear that hes incredible and a good contender for top 10 but I think yall are going a little over the top with this meatride