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Please calm down man. You came in sounding a little arrogant, so he poked a little fun at you.
I definitely agree with this. The PMBR often says that design is their ultimate goal, and I feel their recent success with a broad range of players is a sign they are approaching that goal.
P:M seems to be more so popular now than ever before. There were a lot of people who said they'd only play once the "full version" is released, so I guess some of them are playing now too. 
It only seems easy because specific people have years of smash experience to draw from before coming to the game, and its not quite as evolved yet in terms of player base. So these few people SHOULD be winning, its a testament to the game's design that lets you carry all your smash fundamentals over.
I couldnt figure out how to put these next to each other, sorry! But here are three tier lists that should give you a well rounded perspective of how characters in PM are spread out even though it is such a balanced game. Please give the tournament tier list some respect, I spent a lot of time putting together about 25 tournaments and weighting them on # of participants, a little cost/prize, and then the date of the tournament. This should create a changeable tournament tier list as time goes on and meta develops as more recent tournaments and larger ones will be more effective. I also put on the community tier list posted here by Canon and a quality players accepted opinion tier list.
You usually don't see Brawl exclusive players taking those spots. Most of the Brawl players that could place well in PM, are also quite good at Melee already. When people think of DEHF, Atomsk, ESAM, Vex, Salem, etc people don't usually know how much Melee experience they had/have.
I disagree, I played brawl at a high level for 4ish years and I think it's much easier than PM. I've traveled to every region for brawl and played pretty much every top player. I entered a brawl tournament about 5 months ago because someone asked me to and said they would enter PM if I did and I ended up getting 2nd, despite having not played the game for over a year. People may not know what they are talking about when referring to brawl but that doesn't magically make it harder than other smash games. There are more match-ups you need to learn, more technically demanding play etc in PM than brawl not sure how you could peg it as easier.
That I dunno. Most of the Melee I personally played with Ally was with janky controllers we all swapped around, that somebody had at the place we were staying at. The first one would consistently hold forward direction you faced slightly, so you could do auto knees with Falcon by jumping and pressing a, and it messed up recoveries. The second one permanently held down shield. We came up with the "Yoshi challenge" with that controller, so much fun.
Ya it is all fairly consistent with a few outliers, like ROB Mewtwo Cf, and link doing much better in tournaments while people think they arent that good and than characters like yoshi diddy peach and ivy that havent shown how good they are in tournaments in comparison to what people think.
Ganon has placed fine in tournaments some of the time which is why he is ranked almost halfway up there - 27th, but peoples tier lists show rate him lower because they know his MU and know that he can get destroyed fairly easily.
Well I was responding to something else, I didnt mean to cause this stir-up.
I agree to an extent, but at the same time the meta-game is further into development then a new game would be since its meant to be built very similar to an existing game.
Melee forsure helps more and you need some experience with the mechanics if you dont have it already since the game's designed that way. But most of those players listed are Brawl players with experience in melee and skill from Brawl. I do agree that melee experience or adjustment is needed, but I dont think its that hard a transfer. As others have said I think its good its not too difficult to move between though.
These are only my opinions and experiences, and also if you played before the japanese won Apex, I could see your point and would agree. It's mainly based on what Ive heard from the good brawl players, and on a personal level I went from doing very poorly to winning a tournament in an area that takes the game pretty seriously after barely playing the game. Compared to Brawl, approaching and hit strings are significantly easier. If you could approach and string in brawl, its not as difficult to do in PM and unlike melee the technical skill isnt really that big a barrier. There are more MUs to learn, but at the same time theyre easier to learn because of how close MUs are, so theory crafting I find is a bit simpler. I personally thought consistent buffering (i.e. japanese/top level player degree) was harder but I wont get into that. However, I dont mean to confuse this with saying that I think the game is simple or easy.
Howd you make this?
King Dedede 2.77777777777778
*there's no brawl zelda icon. there's a melee zelda icon and then a slightly smaller melee zelda icon it's dumb
here's all the numbers
I'm mad that GnW is so LOW. like dakpo is currently in the top 10 in 2013 tourney stats c'mon
Calling a game easy is an insult to the people who take pride in the effort they put into it, and that's the reason you thought Cassio sounded arrogant, if you need an example you can relate to.
I am struggling to understand what you are saying. Please elaborate so I can make an adequate response.
Fox, Mario, and Marth aren't high enough.
*there's no brawl zelda icon. there's a melee zelda icon and then a slightly smaller melee zelda icon it's dumb
here's all the numbers
I'm mad that GnW is so LOW. like dakpo is currently in the top 10 in 2013 tourney stats c'mon
The message of his first post was: Nearly no Brawler takes pm serious; they still win tourneys in pm -> thus pm is ez!
I have 0 competitive experience in melee
Anther and Axe are both really good player, but they still kinda hit a wall, if they have to play against the Top Tier Player with their Top Tier Characters.
Completely true
Problem is that's what people were essentially saying for a verrrry long time. It's melee pika with 64 bair and qac. That's it. I don't see him going anywhere
Godlike? explain
I dont understand..,,
