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Tier List Speculation
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Ali Baba 177
Smash Journeyman
It is a really balanced game so a tier list saying that characters on the lower end are bad is not accurate. Tier lists are usually, (and especially this one as I only took info from main tournament results and no opinion,) based on tournament results. So this 'tier' list is just showing the characters that people use and do well with more often near the top and characters that people are sleeping on or arent developed yet or something near the bottom. Now that being said, games are never perfectly balanced so there is also some seperation in ability level, sonic got nerfed and is obviously not as good as s or a 'tier' characters any more and olimar was not put in equally, at least no one has really figured him out yet.,, Anyway this list shows what current standings are in character ability + development/usage
Ali Baba 177
Smash Journeyman
You should make a match-up list or chart though, thatd be fun to look at and probably be helpful
Ali Baba 177
Smash Journeyman
Lucario is at least above lucasAlright, here's my attempt at putting together a tier list using a combination of tournament play I've seen since the release of 3.0, other tier lists, and my own speculation. I tried not to use too many tiers since the gap in viability between characters is nowhere near that of Melee or Brawl. Feel free to critique ( or praise) anything you want--
S: Fox, Falco, Sheik, Wolf
A+: MK, Lucas, Mario, Wario, Marth, Roy
A: Peach, Ike, Ivy, Diddy, Pit, Snake, ZSS, Link
B+: CF, Lucario, Samus, Sonic, ROB, Zelda, Mewtwo
B: Yoshi, Kirby, DK, Bowser, Pikachu, Charizard, Toon Link, D3
C: ICs, Puff, Luigi, GnW, Squirtle, Ness, Ganon, Olimar
Envioux
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I could, but I'm not nearly experienced enough to make an accurate one at all. I'll leave it to the professionals.
jtm94
Smash Lord
This comment made you top tier.
Paradoxium
Smash Master
i've been top tier bro
\Apples
Smash Journeyman
He saw my Link and that's when he knew.
MysteryRevengerson
IT'S A MYSTERY TO ALL
I wouldn't want to go up against a guy with 5 ribbons.
I think some people sleep on Sonic.
I think some people sleep on Sonic.
jtm94
Smash Lord
The only one sleeping on Sonic is Jigglypuff.
I'll money match people for -$5.
iwinatu
Smash Rookie
I think ness is being slept onAlright, here's my attempt at putting together a tier list using a combination of tournament play I've seen since the release of 3.0, other tier lists, and my own speculation. I tried not to use too many tiers since the gap in viability between characters is nowhere near that of Melee or Brawl. Feel free to critique ( or praise
S: Fox, Falco, Sheik, Wolf
A+: MK, Lucas, Mario, Wario, Marth, Roy
A: Peach, Ike, Ivy, Diddy, Pit, Snake, ZSS, Link
B+: CF, Lucario, Samus, Sonic, ROB, Zelda, Mewtwo
B: Yoshi, Kirby, DK, Bowser, Pikachu, Charizard, Toon Link, D3
C: ICs, Puff, Luigi, GnW, Squirtle, Ness, Ganon, Olimar
deadjames
Smash Lord
Link and Toon Link is a pretty stupid good team too.
Nguz95
Smash Lord
I don't think so. Lucario suffers from a subpar approach, and Lucas has amillion useful approach tools. They also have comparable combo games. Lucas can control neutral much better, which I think puts him above Lucario.Lucario is at least above lucas
Oro?!
Smash Hero
I don't think anyone in this game rivals the jank of Lucario, considering he doesn't really even play smash bros outside of the neutral game. The problem with Lucario is that his best approaches to get in are dash attack, downB, and cross up downB on someones shield. The funny thing being that you defend against all of those options at the same exact range. That leaves basically trying to poke with fair, and mixing up downB in/out as safe pressure. I'm sure someone can go ham with like fair->ASC->dair->ASC-> command grab on a shield, but that is a hell of a lot of buttons for a short hop. It's also likely not safe despite the cancels against things like Bowser/Snake. So basically, now that we have come to realize Lucario cannot approach unless someone is committing to options in some way in neutral, you probably have to use an aura charge to downB super cancel approach. Good thing you have one at the start of every stock. Don't waste it.
This man understands Lucario pretty well.
The_NZA
Smash Lord
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Frozen is the hero Lucario has always needed. No man uses meter like that monster.
PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP
Hologram Summer Again
andalsoandy
Smash Lord
Can someone direct me to the most recent and most "agreeable" tier list?
Lukingordex
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Olimar is underrated.
Kaeldiar
Smash Ace
Thane of Blue Flames
Fire is catching.
Frankly, Hylian knows what's what and his tier list is pretty reasonable.
For those that went back a ton of pages to find it like I did, or who wish someone would:
it should be noted, his ICs placement came from the 3.0 grab release points being real wacky. idk how he'd rank it now that they're a bit more proper
I think I would put them around the top of B tier now.
It helped them soooo much lmao. Also when you consider how close characters are in terms of viability it seems less large.That's a pretty large boost.
Cassio
Smash Master
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PM hardly has any brawl players who take it seriously. The game is the easiest of the smash games in general though. Its a great appeal, but it's also why you see the best melee and brawl players taking the top spots despite barely playing.
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Fixed it for you.
Cassio
Smash Master
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Fixed it for you. Respond seriously or dont bother responding at all.
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Hungry Headcrab
Smash Ace
I feel like I'm slowly joining the "3.0 Diddy is Bonkers" club.
Seriously, why do 'nanners trip on contact again? ****'s crazy.
Seriously, why do 'nanners trip on contact again? ****'s crazy.
jtm94
Smash Lord
So it turns out that experience in a game actually does transfer to another game that is extremely similar, but not exactly that game.
I would have never guessed.
Diddy is pretty good, but I have played against crazy anti-banana playstyles and people who have used them better than I could use them. It allows for so much cool stuff to happen.
I would have never guessed.
Diddy is pretty good, but I have played against crazy anti-banana playstyles and people who have used them better than I could use them. It allows for so much cool stuff to happen.
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
Yeah... I don't really find it to be surprising that people that are good at smash in general are playing the game and placing well, beating people that play the game, but aren't as good at smash. Eventually and essentially, there's a fair amount of stuff that transfers over. That's one of the biggest reasons I am a gigantic fan of Ally Ike ( and @TheReflexWonder <3 ) and while he was in the MW, tried to push him and Zinoto to take the game more seriously. To their credit, they seem to, at least a bit more.
But anyway, uh... I think the ability for people from more or less any Smash background to pick up the game, put some time in it and do well is, I don't know, maybe a testament to the design? It's not perfect obviously, but if you're talking about a game that is generally considered to be 3 tiers (A, B, C) deep and there is a lot of ambiguity as to who clearly fits in what, especially towards the middle... I think this shows itself to be kinda good. I think people get sucked into the whole "lol I don't play this game, just play it until Sm4sh hehe", when then important thing is that they play the game. And no matter how you slice it, this version of the game is pretty new. More people play it than ever before. More people play varying characters for the most part. Character vs Character interactions are going to be extremely important... and this won't really be seen or exacerbated until everyone is more experienced.
At APEX, there was a bit of this phenomenon: Sethlon Roy ran into JCeas' ROB (atm, considered to be like 4-6 or something, not very easy.) somewhere in the bracket. He won, but has crap ton of Oracle experience. He played Fly DDD, which we all more or less watched and learned at the same time, lol. I'd also call this around 4-6 (maybe 45-55, also not very easy, because he really can't kill DDD until super late and can get gimped pretty easy). Sethlon lost, but I think given more experience we'd probably see situations come up where Roy is gimped more and forced to take more risks and etc.
I think I kinda rambled on, but uh... people good at smash picking up and being successful in a smash game is not bad. Overall, character general goodness is close enough that allows for this to happen more intuitively for now. But, the metagame is pretty young, still.
But anyway, uh... I think the ability for people from more or less any Smash background to pick up the game, put some time in it and do well is, I don't know, maybe a testament to the design? It's not perfect obviously, but if you're talking about a game that is generally considered to be 3 tiers (A, B, C) deep and there is a lot of ambiguity as to who clearly fits in what, especially towards the middle... I think this shows itself to be kinda good. I think people get sucked into the whole "lol I don't play this game, just play it until Sm4sh hehe", when then important thing is that they play the game. And no matter how you slice it, this version of the game is pretty new. More people play it than ever before. More people play varying characters for the most part. Character vs Character interactions are going to be extremely important... and this won't really be seen or exacerbated until everyone is more experienced.
At APEX, there was a bit of this phenomenon: Sethlon Roy ran into JCeas' ROB (atm, considered to be like 4-6 or something, not very easy.) somewhere in the bracket. He won, but has crap ton of Oracle experience. He played Fly DDD, which we all more or less watched and learned at the same time, lol. I'd also call this around 4-6 (maybe 45-55, also not very easy, because he really can't kill DDD until super late and can get gimped pretty easy). Sethlon lost, but I think given more experience we'd probably see situations come up where Roy is gimped more and forced to take more risks and etc.
I think I kinda rambled on, but uh... people good at smash picking up and being successful in a smash game is not bad. Overall, character general goodness is close enough that allows for this to happen more intuitively for now. But, the metagame is pretty young, still.
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