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[HRNUT (Honey Roasted)]

i think that D3 is much harder for snake than olimar, because the main problem with oli is getting in, but once you're in your there, i personally think its D3 then oli though

 

[Ken Neth]

Most good snakes say D3 is even nowadays.

 

[Berserker.]

Pikachu beating Snake is just wrong and I'm confused of the
Snake VS ROB matchup about who wins? 60-40 Olimar is too
over, should be just 55-45 olimar. There a lot of things wrong
in this matchup.So should can someone make a new thread about
the matchups of Snake?

 

[HRNUT (Honey Roasted)]

naw they aren't playing good enough D3s then its 55:45 same as oli but it feels much harder for snake vs D3...trust me fight seibrik and CO18 on a regular basis and you'll see what i mean

 

[Ken Neth]

LOL I'm not dumb. Ask Afro if you don't believe me. He plays those D3s all the time.

 

[o-Serin-o]

HRNut is kinda right TBH. The only real aspiring D3s are all in the EC.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

LOL I'm not dumb. Ask Afro if you don't believe me. He plays those D3s all the time.

Ask Ally, who agrees its 55-45 for D3 at LEAST. CO18, who beats Afro, says he thinks its a 60-40. Dedede is, without a shadow of a doubt, Snake's worst matchup.

Snake's second worst is debatable though. I guess it may be Olimar? I dunno. I think ROB is still a difficult matchup if the ROB is good. And, IMO, Pikachu is rather annoying, too.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Someone should find a list of Ally vs M2K (or other top MKs like Tyrant) youtube videos and make them into a playlist. I keep having to search for them and I can't find them anymore. I'm sure tons of Snake mains would love a playlist like that for reference in the MK matchup.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Lol. Pander has a lot to say because I be tapping that *** too much. =3

 

[Turbo Ether]

I have to respectfully disagree with Panda. I think Olimar is definitely harder than DDD.

 

[Panix]

I have to respectfully disagree with Panda. I think Olimar is definitely harder than DDD.

I have to agree with Ether. DDD really dosn't "shut down" any of snakes options, he just gets chaingrabbed. i've played atomsk, he beat me, but for a top of the line DDD player he wasn't that hard.

 

[HRNUT (Honey Roasted)]

lol, atomsk sucks vs snake from what i've heard m2k say, when you fight CO18 or Seibrik, then come back and talk to me...i'm talking from experience, Samurai panda knows exactly what i'm talking about...

 

[.AC.]

Ask Ally, who agrees its 55-45 for D3 at LEAST. CO18, who beats Afro, says he thinks its a 60-40. Dedede is, without a shadow of a doubt, Snake's worst matchup.

Snake's second worst is debatable though. I guess it may be Olimar? I dunno. I think ROB is still a difficult matchup if the ROB is good. And, IMO, Pikachu is rather annoying, too.

pikachu isnt that bad compared to ROB or oli imo.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

lol, atomsk sucks vs snake from what i've heard m2k say, when you fight CO18 or Seibrik, then come back and talk to me...i'm talking from experience, Samurai panda knows exactly what i'm talking about...

Its funny that these people don't listen to the Snake mains who have actually played against the best D3s. I've played the best D3s and the best Olimars. The D3s are INSANELY harder.

But whatevs. Not like it matters much, anyways ^_^''

 

[ICE27]

Yeah talking from experiance... D3 is quite possibly the hardest matchup IMO. Olimar is tough but not hard like d3. If u can get in on a olimar its easier then trying to get in on a d3.

 

[DMG]

Dedede is easily harder for Snake than Olimar.

DMG has spoken.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Uhm. Can I get a say in this? >.> I am a D3 too, ya know.

 

[Turbo Ether]

These people? Huh? I've played Atomsk (who imo, is still the best D3 and also has a good Olimar) and used to be in the same crew with him, and i've played Blackwaltz (also used to be in the same crew), dabuz, Dotcom, known/skilled Olimars from AN.

On paper and from personal experience, Olimar is harder, imo. D3 really has to read the Snake and wait for mistakes in order to ****, whereas Olimar straight up outcamps and outranges Snake. Olimar is a super gay character, that no one really plays at the level of an Atomsk, Co18 or Seibrik in the first place. I'll make an effort to explore these matchups more myself, since i've haven't been playing the game really actively in months. And sheesh, if Atomsk sucks at the Snake matchup, i'm curious to see what you guy's think of Lain vs Snake, lol.

Additional stuff:
People make a big deal about dthrow vs Olimar. Yeah, his roll goes nowhere, but if you misread it, you're still at frame disadvantage and get no reward off of it, just like with any other character. I might start trying upthrow, since Olimar's options from above and upon landing suck, and he can't camp you from above.

 

[HRNUT (Honey Roasted)]

anyways what matchup are we discussing now??

 

[lain]

Are you implying I'm bad vs Snake? I'll have you know I'm probably the 3rd best DDD in the matchup in the world (Seibrik and Co are above me).

In fact, I've beaten most snakes nowadays with IC's simply because I played a **** ton of them vs Ally. I don't even NEED D3 to ****.

 

[Panix]

Are you implying I'm bad vs Snake? I'll have you know I'm probably the 3rd best DDD in the matchup in the world (Seibrik and Co are above me).

In fact, I've beaten most snakes nowadays with IC's simply because I played a **** ton of them vs Ally. I don't even NEED D3 to ****.

Lain (IC) vs Atomsk (DDD)

Atomsk won

Thats all I think about when I hear lain.


Also on the DDD match-up-

Who ever said you needed to get in? Snake can "CAMP". Thus meaning DDD has to approach and unless your afraid of getting a "ftilt" his ground approachs arn't the best. I've played very good DDD's and Very good Oli's.

When oli grabs you at 0% that = 60%
When DDD grabs you on FD from the left side of the stage, by the time you get to the right AT MOST you'll get is 40%.

And I am sorry, DDD against snake, DDD just like everyone else in the game, Has a problem killing snake. I've been killed at 250% because after like 100 all you have to do is avoid bairs and snake will most likely live.

Oli on the other hand has 3 smash's that can send snake, 2 grabs that can send snake, and a very good ability at building dmg up on snake.

55:45 vs DDD

60:40 Maybe 65:35 vs Oli

 

[Dabuz]

When oli grabs you at 0% that = 60%


Oli on the other hand has 3 smash's that can send snake, 2 grabs that can send snake, and a very good ability at building dmg up on snake.



60:40 Maybe 65:35 vs Oli

everything in red is wrong, our smashes will never connect and our grabs will be di too much to kill when the snake is actually good, if oli can do 60% with a grab, you have a problem using di and being smart, this match is even, only inexperienced snakes say otherwise

 

[Panix]

alright, so...

One down throw (oli), One up smash (oli), One Up+air (oli), and a possible Up+B finisher is wrong?

Also, if you think that a smash will never connect on a snake, tell that to the snake who's trying to tech chase you.

And only inexpeirenced snakes say that?

65-35 olimar, easily, olimar can just destroy snake at anything, snake has no ground approach because our pivot grabs+fsmash wreck all you ground approaches, he out camps snake easily, any air approaches can be stopped way to easily, we out range snake, olimar can just smash or shield grab everything you have at close range(except for grab) we can EASILY get 0-70% on you with a grab and good grab chasing, we out prioritize snake, our whistle armor can stop every kill move snake has snake can't edge guard us, heck, we can edge guard and gimp snake better then he can to us, honestly, idk how oli loses to snake, but thats just cause i have a lot of experience in this matchup, once olimar learns it he can beat snake way to easily, idk any way a snake can beat an olimar that knows how to utilize this stuff unless the snake knows how to shield pressure olimar to make approaches, which is still hard

Panix uses his Yu-gi-oh card:
Change of heart.

And also Dabuz, sorry not every snake is ally.

 

[Nic64]

He posted that a long time ago when most of his Snake exp was on wifi where the matchup is horribly twisted. I don't think it's even but it's not 65:35 either, it's closer to where DDD is at than that.

 

[Panix]

He posted that a long time ago when most of his Snake exp was on wifi where the matchup is horribly twisted. I don't think it's even but it's not 65:35 either, it's closer to where DDD is at than that.

I don't think it's even or 35:65 honestly, but's it's defintaly 60:40.

Think of it like this, who do the IC beat? People with superior grab game, and why's that? because there is two of them, so the grab is inneffective.

IC vs DDD = 35:65
IC vs Oli = 35:65
IC vs Falco = 35:65

(also, all three of them are easy to CG)

Now, who do people with great grab game beat? people who stay on the ground and shield alot. and Who dose that? Snake.

Falco vs snake = 45:55 falco
DDD vs snake = 45:55 DDD or 40:60 DDD
Oli vs Snake = 40:60 Oli


See mah drift?

 

[SuSa]

If you think Falco > Snake, I feel sorry for you.

All that I have to say.

/has only lost to 1 Falco offline... and it was a friendly..

EDIT:
I've faced basically ever SoCal Falco except Larry (is he NorCal? I can't even remember right now)

I was supposed to MM him and DSF, but the TO kicked us out of the store because they were closing. :x

 

[Nic64]

Falco vs snake = 45:55 falco

Aww hell naw.

Personally my worst matchups with Snake are Olimar, Marth, and DK, I never understood why people used to say Falco > Snake, and now I think most people are seeing that Snake wins that. DDD is also a bit of a disadvantage but I haven't had as difficult a time with it, probably need to play better DDD's because most of them just blindly go after the grabs?

 

[Panix]

You guys are just nitpicking at me because im standing up to "Pro" players, but you know it as much as I know, you just don't want them to hate you.

Oli beats snake worse then DDD. Thats all Im trying to prove
And Falco beats snake on FD no matter what anyone says.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

how are supposed to DDDs play against snake? The one i play does go for the grab a lot but he spends his time reading me and trying to corner me so he can safely land the grab.

He also plays olimar and is actually the best olimar in texas and i definitely find olimar vs snake harder than DDD vs snake.

 

[Dabuz]

how are supposed to DDDs play against snake? The one i play does go for the grab a lot but he spends his time reading me and trying to corner me so he can safely land the grab.

He also plays olimar and is actually the best olimar in texas and i definitely find olimar vs snake harder than DDD vs snake.

lol, im sorry, but lol, if you know he grabs a lot, punish or evade, its not hard when you know he will grab more, if he tries corner you, don't let him corner you, use that knowledge to your advantage....

now for olimar...most snakes just don't get how to actually play this matchup, because it requires thinking outside the box...theres a reason why no good players have said this matchup is heavily in olimar's favor, because they know better

 

[Ken Neth]

You guys are just nitpicking at me because im standing up to "Pro" players, but you know it as much as I know, you just don't want them to hate you.

Oli beats snake worse then DDD. Thats all Im trying to prove
And Falco beats snake on FD no matter what anyone says.

LOL I agree with you on the Oli is harder than DDD thing. But Falco doesn't beat snake. Even on FD. The only thing FD does is make it easier for him to camp, but he shouldn't be camping you anyways cause you should just be ducking under all his lasers.

Edit: Dabuz, I'm not saying it's heavily in Oli's favor. I'm just saying it's more in Oli's favor than DDD's favor, that's all.

 

[SuSa]

@Panix.

Again, I feel sorry for you.

Falco beats us on Yoshi's Island (Brawl) and Lylat. That being said, I've won two matches on Lylat and one on Yoshi's Island.

If you think it's because he camps. There is this magical little word:
Crouch

It forces Falco to approach. And if you think crouching limits your options, crouch more and practice your options OoC (out of crouch). Crouch is not limiting in any way, shape, or form.

PS:
I beat every Falco I face. By playing 2/3rds of the match crouching. Just crouching.

EDIT:
Crouch > Falco's entire game plan

Yoshi's Island = Can only crouch in center. That's horrible spacing for you therefore doesn't work. Therefore crouching doesn't work. Therefore it's harder.
Lylat = stage tilts. nuf' said

 

[AfroQT]

Holy ****, i cant believe what im reading.
Olimar vs Snake is probably even if not in Snakes favor. The only way Olimar beats a Snake is if a snake ONLY relys on camping.

D3 is BY FAR
EASILY
WITHOUT A DOUBT
Snakes hardest matchup in the GAME.

If you think Olimar is harder, you simply havent fought a good D3, or your not a good snake. All Olimar can do is camp, his up close game is ****ing terrible. To kill you, he has to risk a hit (which means he has to guess, which means you can hit him, which means he'll die). He literally dies in a single Ftilt. Putting the momentum in snakes favor ONCE should be the death of olimar. Thats how bad his DEFENSIVE EVERYTHING is.

D3 ****s Snake up in every possible way. You cant really "camp" D3. He doesnt have to be close enough to grab, he only has to right outside forward tilt range. Everything snake does is grabbable. Even grenade grab loses to D3's standing grab. If D3 EVER guesses that your going to Ftilt, and shields (or even grabs), your taking 20% to get off the stage and then put INTO THE WORST POSITION SNAKE CAN BE IN which is below the stage. A D3 good vs Snake (seibrik or co) will wrack up huge damage while your out there. You might live, but not before taking a good 50-60%. The only way to get back on is to guess between a few options. And none of them have positive outcomes, D3 can ALWAYS just sit back and wait to see what you do and react accordingly. Olimar doesnt have this, all he can do is camp bad snakes that only know how to camp. Any snake that knows how to use grenades offensively can whoop down a Olimar like its a joke.

As for killing wise, D3 can attempt to kill snake without risking anything. He can potentially kill you off any grab into edgeguard.... Snake does not have this, 1 failed uptilt or forward tilt and your grabbed and put into a position where you can die. Olimar cannot create these situations. All he can do is camp.

ATOMSK is ****ing terrible vs Snake. And hes my homeboi to. Hes a great d3, maybe best in nation, but vs Snake ****ing terrible. I played him at Apex and whooped him. AND Lain. Lain actually fought jet hammer was good vs Snake....Rofl.

Nothing against those 2 D3's, i didnt win out of being a better player. But i really know the d3 matchup and those 2 knew nothing about fighting Snake....Not even the proper edgeguards.

 

[Nic64]

You guys are just nitpicking at me because im standing up to "Pro" players, but you know it as much as I know, you just don't want them to hate you.

Nah, I'm just some anonymous idiot on the internet, I don't care what anyone thinks, and I said that Snake didn't lose to Falco a long time before that became a mainstream thought, and that includes FD. Snake can blow himself up past CG % and still have a slight advantage, it gets worse if you just play super cautious and camp past that point, Falco can either slightly outcamp you taking some damage himself, or he can press for a grab and likely leave himself open for **** as he doesn't have a reliable, safe way to do this. Then he is at a disadvantage in damage output, attack range, gets CG'd across the stage into a better than normal tech chase, and he can't kill reliably until 180% or higher while you can start looking for the kill around 110%. Falco doesn't beat Snake. MK, DDD, Olimar, and IMO Marth and Wario beat Snake, and most people won't agree with me on the last two.

edit at Afro: I get what you're saying about Oli's boxing game, but that requires you to GET up close with him, which should be nearly impossible if he's playing properly. I could see it being even because both characters can do awful stuff to each other, but I can't see it being in Snake's favor when Olimar controls space and camps so well in the matchup, Snake is the one who has to struggle to create good situations for himself where as the game and stocks basically begin as an advantageous situation for Olimar.

 

[AfroQT]

Nah, I'm just some anonymous idiot on the internet, I don't care what anyone thinks, and I said that Snake didn't lost to Falco a long time before that became a mainstream thought, and that includes FD. Snake can blow himself up past CG % and still have a slight advantage, it gets worse if you just play super cautious and camp past that point, Falco can either slightly outcamp you taking some damage himself, or he can press for a grab and likely leave himself open for **** as he doesn't have a reliable, safe way to do this. Then he is at a disadvantage in damage output, attack range, gets CG'd across the stage into a better than normal tech chase, and he can't kill reliably until 180% or higher while you can start looking for the kill around 110%. Falco doesn't beat Snake. MK, DDD, Olimar, and IMO Marth and Wario beat Snake, and most people won't agree with me on the last two.

Marth and Wario definitely dont beat snake.
I dont think Olimar does either.

 

[Panix]

@Panix.

Again, I feel sorry for you.

Falco beats us on Yoshi's Island (Brawl) and Lylat. That being said, I've won two matches on Lylat and one on Yoshi's Island.

If you think it's because he camps. There is this magical little word:
Crouch

It forces Falco to approach. And if you think crouching limits your options, crouch more and practice your options OoC (out of crouch). Crouch is not limiting in any way, shape, or form.

PS:
I beat every Falco I face. By playing 2/3rds of the match crouching. Just crouching.

EDIT:
Crouch > Falco's entire game plan

Yoshi's Island = Can only crouch in center. That's horrible spacing for you therefore doesn't work. Therefore crouching doesn't work. Therefore it's harder.
Lylat = stage tilts. nuf' said

Okay, Obviously you've never played a decent falco, because if you crouch, he can fall off the ledge, and jump back with lasers, that hit you out of crouch, all falco has to do is camp, meaning FALCO BEATS SNAKE ON FD.

Secondly, I have play a great DDD, and lost, but for someone of his stature he should of ***** me. which was not the case.

THIRDLY. I Play oli, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SNAKE MATCH-UP. Please tell me, Please afro how to approach an oli that Just pivot grabs and camps? Dash attack is your best bet because it kills thrown pikmin and can get him in the air. If he even thinks your going to approach all he has to do is go for the pivot grab. and if you get an oli to the edge, they will not be afraid to use the edge and fair you back across the stage.

How to approach a DDD? you don't I don't care what anybody says camping destroys DDD.
How to Beat a DDD? Do nothing but avoid the grab, Even if I know that he's going to Ftilt or dtilt I still try to avoid the grab, Just build your game plan around avoiding grabs and it's not that hard. On a side Note, I Rarely Ftilt DDD nades + grabbing + Retreating bairs works wonders on him. So Does counter picking.

 

[Nic64]

I knew 99% of people will disagree with me on Marth, that may be mostly a personal thing but I seriously do better against him with characters that I don't really play and have a 40:60 MU against him =/ lol my Snake is bad

 

[AfroQT]

Okay, Obviously you've never played a decent falco, because if you crouch, he can fall off the ledge, and jump back with lasers, that hit you out of crouch, all falco has to do is camp, meaning FALCO BEATS SNAKE ON FD.

Secondly, I have play a great DDD, and lost, but for someone of his stature he should of ***** me. which was not the case.

THIRDLY. I Play oli, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SNAKE MATCH-UP. Please tell me, Please afro how to approach an oli that Just pivot grabs and camps? Dash attack is your best bet because it kills thrown pikmin and can get him in the air. If he even thinks your going to approach all he has to do is go for the pivot grab. and if you get an oli to the edge, they will not be afraid to use the edge and fair you back across the stage.

How to approach a DDD? you don't I don't care what anybody says camping destroys DDD.
How to Beat a DDD? Do nothing but avoid the grab, I don't care if I think or even know that he will F tilt, Just build your gameplan around avoiding grabs and it's not that hard. On a side Note, I Rarely Ftilt DDD, Dair + grabbing works wonders on him. So Does counterpicking.

Nothing you said just made any sense. You said how do you avoid a olimar that just grabs and camps, then you say you beat d3 by avoiding his grabs. D3 can put you in situations where you have no positive outcomes. Olimar cannot do this. Approaching a olimar is hard, but UNLIKE D3, 1 hit will put him in such a bad position he will die (or should die). If a olimar is on the ledge....i dont even want to speak. Let them stay on the ledge. You can fight safely on the stage..while olimar risks dieing for free. Rofl.

D3 can approach you in a number of ways. For one, a campy grenade game only works on bad d3s OR d3s who dont know how to fight Snake. You cant camp a D3 who knows how grenades work...THEY KNOW HOW THEY WORK. Simply put grenades ARENT PROJECTILES or for those that cant think on that level, THEY ARENT GOOD AT BEING USED AS PROJECTILES. You cant just throw grenades at D3. **** if d3 thinks your gonna throw a grenade..and is close enough to you, he gets a free grab. Its clear the d3's you fight dont know that. If you go in for a grab and do manage to get him...great...awesome. If you MISS, you might of just lost your stock, or 100%. If a d3 knocks you off the edge and edgeguards properly, it is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to get back without taking damage. The grab already does enough damage, the afterwards FAIR FAIR FAIR or BAIR BAIR BAIR destroys snake, AND THEN puts him in a position to be regrabbed. Olimar cant do this, he can grab you..throw you away...and thats it. Returning to the stage vs D3 is literally a guess from which you have NO POSITIVE OUTCOME. All you can hope for is a "i hope he guesses wrong". If he guesses right, he either rewalks you across the stage into the same...terrible...situation, or does huge percent to you, and gets another chance to put you into the same terrible situation. With this, he can get kill moves off grabs, which means safe kills as punishing D3's standing grab is hard and risky, plus pretty hard to kill off him whiffing a standing grab. Snake doesnt have any of this. You can even get D3up to 150% before you take any damage and it wont matter. Going for a kill move on D3 puts snake at such a bad risk, THAT ALONE would make the matchup even. If you put in the fact that D3 can guess his way in knowing that the risk/reward is HIGHLY in his favor....Its easy to tell who wins the match. "Camping" does not work on anyone who knows how grenades works. This is why you rarely see camping in Snake dittos. Both snake players are completely aware of what the other Snake can do. D3 abuses this better then anyone. All D3 has to get to is right outside your ftilt range. At that point everything you do becomes in danger of a grab.

Olimar can grab and camp...thats it..Literally it. Push olimar to the end of the stage by making him think your going to approach. Mixup between running up and sidestepping (grenade in hand), and dash attacking. If you lose a mixup or he reads you its fine...you can take damage for days. If olimar gets pushed to the end of the stage, hold your ground, lob a grenade or 2 and make a push. Whether it be dash attacking, a good grenade, a surprise roll/sidestep, w/e it doesnt matter. I wont lie its a gay guessing game that IS in olimar's favor. However, if you knock him off the stage, he should die. No not front edgeguarding, but there should literally be no way for him to regain significant control of the stage. Olimar cant camp outta nothing, he needs a good part of the stage to do so. If you have him on the edge, a good grenade/c4 game will force him off (WHILE KEEPING YOU SAFE), where you can hit him again and do the same thing. Olimar is also stupid easy to tech chase, he doesnt move anywhere, and its easy to spot what hes doing. Olimar requires stage control to camp. At the beginning its hard, and at the beginning of every stock it will be hard. But remember, try not to take alot of damage getting in. Mixup your approaches...again Dash attack, Run up side step, a few grenades to put him on pressure. Grenades dont always have to be at him as well. Knowing how to land grenades on platforms is important. You arent always trying to hit your opponent with grenades....this is the problem of snake players. You are trying to SCARE your opponent away from a certain space. This is how you slowly move forward vs Olimar. Not by just throwing grenades at him. On battlefield, if Oli is camping at one side, knowing how to land a grenade ontop of the platform he is camping on is great (and pretty ****ing important for every other matchup btw). Throwing grenades right at olimar will render them useless.

ANYTHING ELSE YOUNG SNAKE?

 

[SuSa]

Okay, Obviously you've never played a decent falco, because if you crouch, he can fall off the ledge, and jump back with lasers, that hit you out of crouch, all falco has to do is camp, meaning FALCO BEATS SNAKE ON FD.

Secondly, I have play a great DDD, and lost, but for someone of his stature he should of ***** me. which was not the case.

THIRDLY. I Play oli, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SNAKE MATCH-UP. Please tell me, Please afro how to approach an oli that Just pivot grabs and camps? Dash attack is your best bet because it kills thrown pikmin and can get him in the air. If he even thinks your going to approach all he has to do is go for the pivot grab. and if you get an oli to the edge, they will not be afraid to use the edge and fair you back across the stage.

How to approach a DDD? you don't I don't care what anybody says camping destroys DDD.
How to Beat a DDD? Do nothing but avoid the grab, Even if I know that he's going to Ftilt or dtilt I still try to avoid the grab, Just build your game plan around avoiding grabs and it's not that hard. On a side Note, I Rarely Ftilt DDD nades + grabbing + Retreating bairs works wonders on him. So Does counter picking.

On Falco: You SH over the laser, airdodge the second. Land and crouch. :| You don't think Falco's haven't tried this? If they do, they SIGNED THEIR DEATH WARRANT. Only idiots will continue to crouch after you see the Falco dash off the edge....

I've faced every Falco except Larry that is worth mentioning in SoCal. I have beaten them all because they camped.

The one and only Falco to beat me isn't as good of a player as the Falco players I've faced. Second. He is a ****ing Snake main. Third. He didn't camp. Yet.. he won? Why is that?

Mixup game > Camping on stages that only gets you punished with ONE mistake of spacing. Don't mess up spacing? Well.. then its stalemate.

 

[Panix]

Ok.

1. @Susa- even if you sh air dodge, the laser, then he mixs it up and shoots lasers on the stage, what do you have to do to him sooner or later? approach, then he phantams across the stage and your back at sqaure one ( I played a really gay falco that fatal brought to a tourney in jersey).

2. @Afro- Alright, You make it seem like I DON'T KNOW that DDD is a bad match-up for snake. But you don't use the gernades like they have KB. Pull nade>Roll back>Pull nade>Watch DDD either approach or throw waddle DDD> from there either A. drop gernade and throw. or B. step back + Gernade grab. Because there is a nade sitting in front of you the grab from DDD won't mean much, because he will get hit by the nade. and if you get your grab off your grab stance is differnt then DDD's and pulls him out of range of the nade. thus leading into a tech chase. YES I KNOW DDD BEATS SNAKE. But snake dosn't have to approach.

snake has to approach oli.
snake dosn't have to approach DDD.