The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated

[aeghrur]

A new Kojin/Sonic vid from BTYF tournament. enjoy.
"Back 2 Back - A Kojin/Sonic video

Hahaha, I loved the ending. XD
Also, lol@all the synchros.

 

[Kinzer]

Oh I see now, I said it wasn't Sonic matches correct? Well I was only halfway right, the official term for it as stated in the OP is "Steak match/es" depending on whether you do only one or more matches/sets. I said by accident "Steak dittos" but I thought I had it right since you are technically challenging the flavor of the opponent's Steak and throwing down your zesty on the line when in said duels.

Gotta get it right though, otherwise urdoinitrong.

 

[JayBee]

throwing down my zesty?

what the hell LOL


tdmz ftw

 

[Dragonbreath]

How about Steak Sandwich?

 

[FightAdamantEevee]

Wifi match

FAE (Sonic) vs AceOfDiamonds (PT)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ayt3SU7ZE4

 

[Espy Rose]

I was going to update this the moment Xyro got my dittos with 3000 up, but it hasn't happened yet.

I'll update the thread in a few...

 

[Espy Rose]

Bumping the topic.

I've updated the first post with everyone's videos since the last update.

I've also changed the checkpoint date, which is now January 31st, 2009. All videos prior to that date have been moved to the Old sections of each area. If I have made any type of misteaks, let me know ASAP.

Things I still need to look at (this is more for me than for you, but whatev.):

1. Bug Xyro to get better quality of Espy v. 3000
2. Check dates of Khaoz videos to see if they are "expired"
3. Wes' video page on youtube has roughly 94 videos, many of them involving his Sonic all within the past month. I'll be attempting to add every video I find, but caution:

This thread, should I complete #3, will be flooded with Wes for awhile, not that that's a bad thing.

Oh, and yeah, Wes is pretty **** legit.

 

[Kinzer]

We can XyTroLL his profile with Haunters and Steak if you're really concerned with not using Marko's version.

 

[Espy Rose]

We can XyTroLL his profile with Haunters and Steak if you're really concerned with not using Marko's version.

No, no, that isn't necessary.

Oh, and I forgot Marbo's vids in the other thread...
Godz...so many videos...

EDIT:

I've updated all of Wes' videos (the 94 intimidated me until I realized that most didn't have Wes' Sonic in them, and a large chunk that did were Brawl+, thus irrelevant), as well as added Marbos and fixed Khaoz's vids.

I just need to get my vids from Xyro and the entire thread will have been updated.

Keep those videos rolling.

Oh, and yes, everything with the "New" sticker by them is all new content from this one update. Stupid thing took me an hour and thirty minutes to update. GAWD, I'm never procrastinating this hard again.

 

[darkNES386]

I'll still take watching you lose to Sethlon's falco is tournament finals anyday over someone throwing up oodles of friendly matches.

 

[JMan8891]

Yea, tourn tom, vids in a day or two, as usual

 

[Sagen du Smash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6JqVsgX288&feature=channel

BOKU shows you how to beat a MK online. A comeback and then a 3 stock.

 

[RenegadeRaven]

lol, even if it is on Lagfi, good **** BOKU

 

[Kinzer]

That doesn't even make sense.

A MK losing a Sonic, on lag-fi.

It's epic fail and epic win at the same time.

my head hurts just thinking about how to look at it correctly.

 

[JMan8891]

So, first in teams, and 7th in singles, my worst performance ver

Then this:

http://www.wyff4.com/news/19294109/detail.html

My frien "Kuja" died yesterday. Skipped yesterday's tourney to go camping/hiking. Didn't want to bail on a prior commitment

That's f Ucked up....

And when Judgement was going to happen (and Umby and I dould battle for Atl South title, lol), our TO had a close friend death by semi-collision. Its a pretty F Uucked up day....

Vids l8r btw...

 

[Espy Rose]

I'll be adding these soon, as well as my matches in Winner Finals vs. Hylian at my last tournament, including my humiliating loss at Green Greens

And sorry to hear about that JMan. That's about all I can say.

 

[JMan8891]

Vids to be up a.s.a Tuesday said the TO

We had a livestream btw, but only 4 ppl viewed, xD

We enforce the MK ban as well, something to think aboutl

 

[Espy Rose]

Rate Cardd's Sonic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR-6VgzBYRs&feature=channel_page

Taken from the thread; please respond here instead. I want to stop the influx of "Rate my Sonic" threads from showing up.

It's easier if everyone just comes in here, no?

 

[ShadowLink84]

okay first.
He Fairs waaaaaaaaaaay too much. Even when there are situations that require him to use another aerial.
Like when the falco user spiked him three times, he could easily have whipped out a Uair and broken that Dair.

Another issue is his grabs. He does alot of dash grabs which is bad because Sonics dash grab is not good at all. He needs to used dash shield grabs.

Another issue is canceling his moves. He does not side B cancel much nor does he attempt to use the ASC.
He also needs to move alot faster, at one point, he just stood in the same place going for grabs.
There should also be no presence of Usmash unless he is edgeguarding the Falco. The move is good for covering the ledge but otherwise, there is no need to use it.

There is also the lack of spinshotting which would allow him another means of approaching the Falco.
I mentioned how he did not move much earlier, and this goes hand in hand with his spacing. He doesn't make much of an attempt at spacing, there were hardly any tilts used and he also kept using the same moves over and over again.

 

[aeghrur]

Side-B and ASC canceling is overrated if people don't know how to use them well.
Spinshot moar is CiTH's line

 

[Xyro77]

espy vs mr 3000 is up on my youtube page if any of you care.

http://www.youtube.com/user/xyro77

espy is too dang good. we need to play

 

[Espy Rose]

Thank you Xyro, I appreciate you going out of your way to put 'em up.

 

[Arikie]

I have some new friendlies up, I haven't been able to play much because my Wii broke and I had to send it in ( brawl disc reading error). So no brawl for 2 weeks..... so improvement isn't drastic, but i'd still like you're opinions. I got it back this last Tuesday and on Friday I played some friendlies with my ....friends.

The same as last time.

I'm asking for tips/pointers/advice/critiquing on my sonic, I don't mind harsh criticism as long as its constructive or helpful, be real with me please.
If you don't like the sound/music/backround noise/talking/whatever just MUTE IT please, and listen to something else while you watch.

Uploaded in wide screen format. If you ask me I'll let you add annotations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft5WToPVRd8&feature=channel_page
sonic-lucario(tman) battlefield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKbyuAK0Me8&feature=channel_page
sonic-lucario(tman) FD [another one]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQlT9HUnDbI&feature=channel_page
sonic-lucario(tman) FD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWkR7PH4Ow&feature=channel_page
sonic-lucas(pain) smasville

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsTPw9X7mUo&feature=channel_page
sonic-pikachu(ds/ninja) FD

Also not having a wii sucks >.< but Nintendo repaired and returned my Wii too me Twice as fast as I expected it, took about 2 weeks and I expected longer then a month.

EDIT: I noticed some other people made their own threads too have their sonic critiqued/rated. Would it be better if I made my own thread?

 

[Cardd]

anybody else?

I just picked up sonic about a week ago now, and his whole forum is hard to learn from with all the acronyms and blah blah, so straight tips work better.

 

[JMan8891]

Apparently, only my dubz matches were recorded, but thats just as well, i did so bad in singles there not worthy of this thread. There is oft something to be learned from a "good" loss, but i just played terrible,

If you watch the doubles, you'll see i probably came prematurely, xD

JMan (Sonic) + ARS (Snake) vs Khai (TLink) + Ryanarius (Pit) R1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cZ3nHPFgPY&feature=channel_page

JMan (Sonic) + ARS (Snake) vs Khai (TLink) + Ryanarius (Pit) R2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl-SUdU_c0Y&feature=channel_page


Winner's Finals
JMan (Sonic) + ARS (Snake) vs Devin (D3) + Bo (Lucario) R1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe9Y-E-q8Fo&feature=channel_page

JMan (Sonic) + ARS (Snake) vs Devin (D3) + Bo (Lucario) R2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvDLfZ1oIes&feature=channel_page

JMan (Sonic) + ARS (Snake) vs Devin (D3) + Bo (Lucario) R3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB4-3Qvr8D8&feature=channel_page

Grand Finals

JMan (Sonic) + ARS (C Falc) vs Khai (G&W) + Ryanarius (Pit) R1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGrHdY5Q4sk&feature=channel_page

JMan (Sonic) + ARS (Snake) vs Khai (TLink) + Ryanarius (Snake) R2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOPepzKIMJE&feature=channel_page

JMan (Sonic) + ARS (C Falc) vs Khai (TLink) + Ryanarius (Pit) R3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koUETOKFV0E&feature=channel_page (2:50- the end = STEAK)


And i guess i'll post these
JMan (Sonic) vs Khai (TLink) R1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSg72GdYTFY&feature=channel_page

JMan (Sonic) vs Khai (TLink) R2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnFXOb7sTtM&feature=channel_page
(i felt i finally figured this matchup out, but too late, first round loss, he won 1st btw. And lost to the CG D3 yet again... grrr... )

So, watch, enjoy, hope everyone's viewing quality isn't screwed and its just my slow comp, and comment/enjoy the Steak!

 

[Exceladon City]

I had posted these in the Tear My Sonic Apart thread then I saw the actual video archive/critiquing thread so I'm posting them in this thread now.

Excel (Sonic) vs Joey (Toon Link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLZhr...e=channel_page

Excel (Sonic) vs Joey (Olimar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ALPNmZ8aQ

 

[Kinzer]

Oh boy, I have a helluva lot of vidjas to look over...

I'll come back to this by tomorrow at the latest if nobody else does in time (yay procrastination).

 

[~TBS~]

I had posted these in the Tear My Sonic Apart thread then I saw the actual video archive/critiquing thread so I'm posting them in this thread now.

Excel (Sonic) vs Joey (Toon Link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLZhr...e=channel_page

Excel (Sonic) vs Joey (Olimar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ALPNmZ8aQ

OK, i can help you out against that Olimar. Dont just stand there and nair to hit the pikmin off, puts you in a bad spot. And i say this often, dont spring to dair. just...dont. You got punished any times for that. And spindashing in this kind of match isnt so good either. Olimar is such a grabber...And dont try to grab an Olimar unless you land a bair and go in for a frame perfect grab, grab his tilts OoS, or P-shield his smashes. You can try to grab him, but its pretty risky. And I noticed this Olimar did not use his utilt and nair. If he did...you'd have to completely change the way you fight against him.

On a positive note, Nice Sonic you got there. I liked the way you worked around Olimar with your aerials. Nice DI, also, living past 150 vs Olimar is good. Just be careful about his pikmin line, you gotta look at the colors. The Blue and purple's are the worst. Once you hit the 90% mark, be a little more defensive. And remember that Olimar is not that much of a big threat off the stage. That's your turf vs Olimar, so try to capitalize against him. You have to be kinda patient with the Olimar match, but once you get that Olimar is smooth sailing.

IistehOlimarDestroyer.

 

[Exceladon City]

OK, i can help you out against that Olimar. Dont just stand there and nair to hit the pikmin off, puts you in a bad spot. And i say this often, dont spring to dair. just...dont. You got punished any times for that. And spindashing in this kind of match isnt so good either. Olimar is such a grabber...And dont try to grab an Olimar unless you land a bair and go in for a frame perfect grab, grab his tilts OoS, or P-shield his smashes. You can try to grab him, but its pretty risky. And I noticed this Olimar did not use his utilt and nair. If he did...you'd have to completely change the way you fight against him.

On a positive note, Nice Sonic you got there. I liked the way you worked around Olimar with your aerials. Nice DI, also, living past 150 vs Olimar is good. Just be careful about his pikmin line, you gotta look at the colors. The Blue and purple's are the worst. Once you hit the 90% mark, be a little more defensive. And remember that Olimar is not that much of a big threat off the stage. That's your turf vs Olimar, so try to capitalize against him. You have to be kinda patient with the Olimar match, but once you get that Olimar is smooth sailing.

IistehOlimarDestroyer.

Yeah Olimar is quite possibly the HARDEST for me to fight. For some reason Olimar's Utilt and Nair **** Sonic's everything. Yeah I've got it hard against Olimar. Thanks for the insight.

 

[Espy Rose]

Updated with all of the videos submitted to this thread, as well as the videos Xyro linked to, and Shugo's video vs. Overswarm.

Keep submitting! :D

 

[relaxedexcorcist]

Here's some vids you can add/critique. I'd like to know what the more skilled Sonics think of mine.

relaxedexorcist (Sonic) vs SGRD (Diddy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c0TiyKaEwI - Offline

relaxedexorcist (Sonic) vs Limit (Game and Watch)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMkjmnCM-5w - Online

relaxedexorcist (Sonic) vs Longfist (DK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsZDfivXgJY - Online

Also these were already put up but they're more recent than the vids I have. (minus the vs SGRD one)

BionicSonic (Sonic) vs RelaxExorcist (Sonic)

Kojin (Sonic) vs RelaxExorcist (Sonic)
Kojin (Sonic) vs RelaxExorcist (Sonic) 2
Kojin (Sonic) vs RelaxExorcist (Sonic) 3

Hope you guys enjoy.

 

[Kinzer]

I'm going to add my two cents in the quote, with a Itali-boldecized Cyan (lol not even a real word) format, with the links seperating the critique, so if you want to improve please consider my advice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft5WToPVRd8&feature=channel_page
sonic-lucario(tman) battlefield

:09 - Way too high to approach Lucario with an ASC, a SH would've been better since it can even cancel Aura Spheres sometimes

:15 - If you had to use a Smash attack, you could've used FSmash, but then again let me ell you what's wrong with using FSmash now and using DSmash like that.

1. FSmash needs to be saved for the kill or used to punish heavily, not from a position such as the time here, nor this early in the game.

2. DSmash is your 2nd best kill move, you need to save that too for when FSmash won't get the job done and/or to punish people right next to you.

:26 you could've ledgehogged him and he would've been dead... oh well.

:34 Dtilt or FTilt, not DSmash.

:44 Hold your shield when Lucario is approaching you from the air, and be quick to act OoS.

1:14 Were you DIing up? If yes disregard this. If no then start doing it when Lucario grabs you at the edge, getting grabbed and F-throwed will catch you offgaurd, but you have much more time to prepare for his other throws.

1:18 What called for that DSmash? I hope you weren't expecting him to roll into you.

1:56 Instead of jabbing try grabbing him, Sonic's Jab is kind of bad...

2:50 Save FSmash for the kill, don't decay it.

3:04 Right here would've been a good example of you having trapped him and set him up for a DSmash, worst case scenario is that he shields it and gets pushed back.

3:30 Would've been better to had grabbed him, pummel 3-4 times, and B-Throw him.

4:07 You can do walk-off Bairs and not get any landing lag, try it. In this case it could've pushed Lucario away.

4:14 Oh, could've Sprang out of that.

4:24 I'll assume you messed up a dash attack input.

4:38 Save that FSmash for the kill.

4:48 Don't try and fight back Lucario's Dair unless you can Utilt or Uair or a grab on landing, and you didn't have enough room or were in the right position for it, just hold a shield or run away.

5:20 No, don't DSmash when they aren't anywhere near you, that just leaves you right open for an attack. Especially don't try to DSmash from a neutral position when he has the fram advantage to hit you out of it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKbyuAK0Me8&feature=channel_page
sonic-lucario(tman) FD [another one]

:30 Just FTilt, it gets you 11% damage from that case, and you had teh frame advantage.

:33 I guess nobody told you how bad HA was yet huh?

:49 No FSmashing.

:56 I saw you go for that DSmash, don't do it from a neutral position or you'll give him a frame advantage, or even that early in the game.

1:08 Bair, not HA.

1:26 Nowhere near him, and you did a DSmash right after.

1:35 I should've been telling you not to use HA the first videos but I guess now is okay too.

2:13 Yeah I'm starting to wonder whether a grab on landing really works or not after a Dair (Fair might work better though), but you can't go wrong with an FTilt on landing. Notice the pushback/shieldstab of Lucario's Dair?

2:20 Here is where HA's use comes in. You know how later on you got killed by an Aura Sphere? You know that's because you're recovery was very limited? Use HA to stall your fall, that could give you more height assuming you would have to resort to a low-Spring recovery. It's pretty neat when you want to reduce the risk of self-gimping. You could also have used HA to lock-on to Lucario as a vessel to get back on but then again maybe not... However maybe not! HA can also be used on the stage to bounce back up which actually does give you a boost in recovery! It's pretty neat, utilizing a garbage move to what is a life-saving technique, indeed.

2:36 Don't try to use any aerial out of U-Throw against Uair at 0%, especially with Lucario. In fact just remember how stupid Dair is and remember next time to think of other ways to string attacks.

3:16 Apply DSmash to FSmash, and you get the same critigue.

3:30 Stop trying to use smash attacks from a neutral position, I know you got lucky in a spotdodge war but it won't work in normal circumstances. Cut down on the spotdodging too, if you know how to space, you wouldn't have to worry about it 99% of the time.

3:45 Remember that stuff I told you about HA? It works here too, and to an even greater degree. ^_^

4:05 No FSmashing.

4:07 Read: Above.

4:09 Read: Above. Apply: DSmash.

4:11 Read: Above.

4:20 Dair, it's good for Lucario.

4:45 Read: two sentences above.

5:00 Read: Above.

5:11 Read: Above. Noticing a pattern by now?

5:14 okay seriously now, you're either getting punished for FSmashing or getting nowhere, please for your/my sake mix it up.

5:20 Or you might make me sadface

5:25 I am sadface now

5:32

5:57 Oh, gotta work on that instant-edgehogging, you would've won that too if you did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQlT9HUnDbI&feature=channel_page
sonic-lucario(tman) FD

:18 That FSmash

:21 Oh! here was a great trap, you got to keep track of your Spring so you can find out when to punish your opponent for coming up to you. Don't always try to get back on the ground ASAP with Dair, remember to mix it up and be very aware.

:24 Dat ain't a tilt!

:27 Dat ain't fresh!

:33 Neither was that.

:38 Gonna be hard to kill Lucario I can just tell.

:57 Especially don't use HA to try to attack Lucario above you.

1:28 FSmash would never hit anybody at that angle, nor at that point would it have done you any good.

2:25 Instant edgehog would've been nice here too. Remember if Lucario has to resort to Extreme Speed you have no risk in taking the ledge first.

3:46 Gah what happened, there's no excuse for being "too slow" with Sonic!

3:51 Sonic is fast, don't just throw attacks out there and hope they work, plan your assaults!

4:09 Yeah, HA is bad, however you could've Naired/Baired/Springed him, Lucario had no choice but to take the attack.

Here's my personal question/comment, are you aware of ASC (Aerial Spin Charge) and all of it's varieties? You seem to have the ASC down, but you do know you can cancel your Spin Charge into a shield? You're always jump-canceling it, and you can't rely on that forever, especially when you do not have your second jump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWkR7PH4Ow&feature=channel_page
sonic-lucas(pain) smasville

I wonder if you got the message by now, but in case you didn't, you need to stop using FSmash, especially to start off the game.

1:41 NO! NO!

1:45 Triple NO!

2:17 You didn't know that HA was useless after the first time Lucas Daired you further offstage?

Ouh... That was short, compared to the other videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsTPw9X7mUo&feature=channel_page
sonic-pikachu(ds/ninja) FD

:17 Until that point you punished/acted with a D-Throw, that whole part of the match was bleh.

:35 FTilt, son. Learn about it!

1:00 Quick lesson, Skull Bash > Any Ball form you can imagine.

1:19Could've thrown in some pummels, that's free damage for you.

1:56 Even though you succeeded, you got really predictable trying to grab him.

3:19 I am in your vidjas, telling you to stop FSmashing.

4:49 Don't think I didn't see that FSmash and let you off the hook now!

5:26 Uncalled for, not in kill %, and I suppose out of range, but you got quite the "shocking" reality check now, huh?



I noticed some other people made their own threads too have their sonic critiqued/rated. Would it be better if I made my own thread?

No, here is fine.

Hope that helps!

anybody else?

I just picked up sonic about a week ago now, and his whole forum is hard to learn from with all the acronyms and blah blah, so straight tips work better.

I'm sorry, I lost your videos, could you report them here please, and I'll get back to ya?


Exorcist, I promise I'll watch your videos when I'm not bawwing after critiquing Arikie's vidjas!

 

[Isatis]

I'll have some matches recorded this afternoon posted so you guys can critique.

 

[Kinzer]

Alright Oreo, you asked me on the Xat for my critugue, and here it is. I'm quite honored actually.

I had figured since Speed had already given you some tips that you would be okay, but since you asked I'll be more than glad to see what I can do.

The following response is in a Magenta font:

Excel (Sonic) vs Joey (Toon Link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLZhr...e=channel_page

You might want to fix the URL, click on the link and you'll see why I had to find this on YT myself... luckily you're in no trouble and I found it with ease.

:28 Don't try to fight Toon Link when you're in the air unless he's above you or behind you, and even being below him can be difficult with taht stupid Dair... his Bair is also pretty long for his size, and being that he is from what I can see decent in the air, Sonic is much better off going into the air just to get around Toon Link's brickwall and make most if not all assaults grounded/punishment... So I'm not sure how spacing Bairs might work, but they can, don't chuck it entirely...

TL/DR, either airdodge or don't try to approach Toon Link with a falling Fair. I've learned that the hard way lots of times, and I still make the same mistakes myself, but it's better for you if you don't.

:32 This is what I'm saying, you cannot leave yourself open, you want to prevent as much opportunities for Toon Link while keeping yours open.

:46 No forward smashing so early, Toon Link is light but he won't die that early. Plus you're getting a little taste of how gay his aerial game is.

:55 I think you're getting it now, you need to be aware of your attacks and his attacks and the relation.

1:12 You could've pummeled once or twice, it's free damage.

1:20 Hypnosmashing won't work on a character who has projectiles.

1:27 Doesn't work when they're trying to recover either, instead try and put on some assault offstage, preferably a Dair or a Nair... maybe even a Spring but that somtimes gets' canceled/disregarded.

1:52 I notice you're doing this "jump -> ASC" a lot, try to save your energy or something, there's no point in not doing the attack unless it's you changed your mind that the risk is not worth the reward, but if you keep doing it anyway you might as well do empty hops or SHADing.

2:01 I'll assume you're not used to Sonic's speed and whiffed that grab... I guess when your opponent is in lag, try to go for a tilt instead.

You followed up with an ASC soon after I saw, that won't work when you're above T.Link, you wanna be at a 45 degree angle. Shortly after that you're doing that falling Fair, that's "no good."

2:15 no FSmashing so early, try FTilting instead at that %age.

2:24 I'll let the other stuff slide, but you could've pummeled him once during that grab. Remember it's free damage so there's no harm in taking your time.

2:36 Again here. Think about it, for ever pummel opportunity you miss, it will make it harder for you to kill in the long run. Very important that you try to make a habit out of it.

2:42 NHM, not at that angle. Even a Nair would've been better.

Excel (Sonic) vs Joey (Olimar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ALPNmZ8aQ[/B]

Oh... At the start of the match... well actually I think Speed was even telling you this, but don't worry about getting Pikmin off of you, that's the least of your concerns against Olimar... I could tell you a long rant about why but I think I'll spare you the trouble and just tell you to play like Pikmin aren't even latched on to you, whether they really are or not.

I don't know why you didn't try to charge him again afetr he had to pluck them more but again if you weren't trying to get rid of them you won't have to worry about having to punish him for plucking...

You ran away after he tripped the first time too... That's a set-up for Sonic right there to chase their opponents no matter how they get up.

:46 Well, now you know why you have to be somewhat unpredictable with Olimar after you Spring out... next thing you know you'll be at 110% and getting killed by a placed Purple Pikmin...

:51 It's also a good idea to spam Bair in this MU like your life depended on it... I can't see any use for Nair other than when he's right next to you in the air and/or unshielded... maybe to gimp him too offstage but that might be about it.

:58 Oh, you should've Daired down instead of trying to use ASC that high up in the air... don't get me wrong, you need to use it to momentum cancel, but when you're not gonna die and your opponent leaves them open to be punished... yeah... oh and I don't know why you didn't follow through with the attack once you were at the right position, you jump-canceled it.

1:26 I'm quite late on this but I don't feel like looking back... instead of Decaying your DSmash, you probably should've grabbed him... the reason I say this is because a lot of LOLimars like to roll, and DSmash is a great mvoe to use when you've read your opponents' bad habits and you wanna make them regret they made that choice later on in the match, you don't want to use it to rack on damage.

1:55 Remember how you can get punished for being too predictable trying to recovery from a Spring Jump. And again at 2:11

2:23 Needs moar pummel.

2:51 I'll let you in a secret... Sonic is the only character who can force a NOlimar status, meaning if you read them for trying to get back on ground to pluck Pikmin during their invincibility frames, you can make them jump into the air and you can work from there! It's pretty neat, but make sure you don't get killed on the way up... Think of it as a low-medium risk for a medium-high reward.

Kinzer out.

 

[Arikie]

I'm going to add my two cents in the quote, with a Itali-boldecized Cyan (lol not even a real word) format, with the links seperating the critique, so if you want to improve please consider my advice.



Hope that helps!



I'm sorry, I lost your videos, could you report them here please, and I'll get back to ya?


Exorcist, I promise I'll watch your videos when I'm not bawwing after critiquing Arikie's vidjas!

Thank you for the advice, I knew I used smashes too much but its clearer to me now.
I got into the habit because my friends used too run/roll into them all the time. Or sometimes I mess up a dash attack or dashattackcancel. against other people I smash less but its still a bad habit.

I have a habit of using HA whenever I Hit hit them with any variation of spindash and I'm not sure if I can combo into an aerial out of the spindash (because of how i hit them or how they are DIing. )

3:46 on the third video, I was being distracted by something else, got fsmashed >.<

I do know that the side B charge can cancel into a shield and the aierial spindash can cancel into a shield but i forget to use it.

Also when i spindashed into skull bash, i wasn't paying attention to the game lol.

thanks again, all of the advice was helpful too me . I'll post videos with improvements when I get some matches.


also thanks too kid for the comments on the videos

 

[Espy Rose]

Quickie update with relaxedexorcist's vids.

 

[Pyrostormer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut70pF_Uug0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqxi0WhJGb0
^ vs. GaW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYFeh-C7PqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZHFBdT3mys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqp6_W_Umwk
^ vs. Olimar

Critique please.

I need the help

Edit: Dammit this is stingers

 

[stingers]

^ That's me

<_<

This should be sticked or something so people actually know its there

 

[Kinzer]

... Oh wow this DID get stickied lol. Alright critigue time I guess.

Be sure to pummel inbetween grabs.

...First video, at 36 seconds in... why are you Uairing when G&W was below you? I know it's pretty fast, ACed easily, and landing lag is almost nonexitsant but you want to not make yourself so vulnerable trying to get back down, right?

You also love to grab and roll a lot... G&W is probably 65-35 for the reason that you can't usually afford not to space correctly (I don't have that problem with him whenever but forget I said this). Sonic's roll isn't also used much since he has his speed to get around, and since a lot of G&W's attacks are symmetrical... well, just be sure if you're going to roll its away, not around people, alright?

This is probably another tiny problem you have that you don't hold the shield all the way up through G&W's Bair... if you do, he's right open for a counterattack.

I also notice you really love to make a lot of SDR approaches... to put it simple, this is very bad, try using his run instead, he can shield while sliding so you're better off. SDR is used as a punishment attack, not a direct approach if you want another way to look at it.

Most of your problems I am noticing are player problems, not things you're having in specific with Sonic (but don't get me wrong, it's not all your fault... if I even worded that correctly.) You seem to be a bit off in things like how long attacks reach and long they stay out there, and the positioning of you and your opponents? Just practicing will remedy this though. I want to see less grabs (or at least less whiffed ones)next time, please?

I read the description of the first video too, don't beat yourself up, G&W is (suppose to be, I only know that I have little trouble fighting G&W myself) one of if not Sonic's hardest matchups. Just know when to hold up a shield and how long for and learn to space and I swear this MU won't be as bad as it seems.

Next video, I'll see if anything is different about this one.

33 seconds into the video, you roll back. right there you could've kept DTilting forward or start FTilting. Remember less rolls is good. 37 seconds in... i really do think you feel liek you need to get the hang of Sonic before I can really find out what your real problems are, if any. Tell me how long has it been before you picked up Sonic, or how long have you been playing him?

50 seconds in now, but I think I'm just getting mroe detailed when I tell you that getting familiar with the characters is good, because G&W has a hitbox when he lands his keyblade. Bair has that same property if he hits the ground before it cancels.

Well, actually I just finished the video, and I'm only assured of my previous advice... let's see what the next videos have in store, huh?

Oh dear lord Olimar... now it's only more critical that you take my previous advice, because it all applies here and more! Even if the MU is 55-45 Olimar's favor, it can get pretty nasty with these kinds of mistakes and if you don't have a constantly changing style of play.

Here's a neat trick you can do with Olimar: Once you kill him, you can try and landcamp him on his landing. Usually they're so focused on getting back to the ground and plucking Pikmin that they won't be concerned about you planting a Spring! Sonic is the only character who can force a NOlimar, seriously. Try it out the next time you can.

Protip: Any Olimar who knowst heir shizz will make any of your groudn approaches null. Start spamming Boxobairs (If you don't know what they are, just start using Bair intelligently)

Ouh... the second video you end up SDing... yeah, Sonic can't jump out of his ASC if he doesn't have his second jump, so make sure you know you won't kill yourself if you're going to take that risk.

I'll tell you right now though HA is garbage and should only be used when you're high up in the air trying to get back on-stage, and make sure it doesn't lock on to your opponent or you might as well have disconnected your controller for 1 second instead, it makes you harder to punish than the stupid ending lag.

Try shorthop Uairing after an U-throw at 0%, if you do a full hop you'll end up too high.

Hope this helps.

 

[Chis]

This didn't really need to be stickyed. It's constantly on the first page, how can people not see it?