The Unity Ruleset: Discussion

[xDD-Master]

I want to ask why Jungle Japes (JJ) isnt allowed in this ruleset?
How is the reasoning for that?

I dont understand how RC & Brinstar can be allowed, but JJ is banned, whats the reason?

Serious question.
(And getting a bit back on topic)

 

[Tesh]

Stage is too big(cave of life) and there is permanent water (broken camping) and a random crazy hazard that kills at 0%(some kind of ganonfish). Its also not very pretty with or without textures.

 

[Life]

When AKUMA wants to know why a stage is banned... geez.

Stage is banned because they said so back before 1.0, basically. It'll be legal eventually, there's simply too much pressure in its favor to not legalize it. The only real argument is that Falco and DK are too strong here, but that argument really holds no water (/pun) as long as MK is legal.

 

[WindMajor]

Stage is too big(cave of life) and there is permanent water (broken camping) and a random crazy hazard that kills at 0%(some kind of ganonfish). Its also not very pretty with or without textures.

The only blastline that's too far is the top one, but the side blastlines are short, and the bottom blastline is a rushing river with 2 hazards. Provide for early kills imo.

The water camping is not broken in the slightest, lol. I tested this a while back. It's no better than regular onstage camping.

The klap trap won't kill you at 0%. If you fly into it at 0%, the water will stop you. If you fly into it again, however, it'll kill you. That'll be like at 30% or so. Regardless, it's on a timer, so it doesn't matter.

There's no reason for it to be banned really.

 

[Tesh]

But, Twinkie, you can't expect a top level player to keep up with a predictable timed event.

 

[WindMajor]

You're absolutely right.

We can't.

 

[AlphaZealot]

I BELIEVE THAT ON JULY 2ND, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN SMASH HISTORY GOING BACK OVER 8 YEARS, EVERY TOURNAMENT RAN WITH THE SAME RULESET.

Weekend of July 9th
Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Lone Star Circuit Event #3: Nexus!!! (Texas) - Run by qB[
2. BitH 5 Nerdy Virgins Unite! (Kentucky) - Run by Hael Phael
3. Rizk'in 1. NEW MI monthly hosted by Rizk7 (Michigan) - Run by Rizk18
4. The Gold Mine 2 (North Carolina) - Run by arch
5. E4J: Champion (California) - Run by MikeHaze
6. Play-N-Trade 4 (Louisiana) - Run by _D._

Not Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Pray N' Trade! (New Jersey) - Run by _Yes!_ (Custom, D3 Infinites banned, Suicide Initiator Rule, 11 stages, otherwise Unity)

Weekend of July 2nd
Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Trent's Coliseum Monthlies (Nebraska) - Run by Trent
2. Revolution 3 at OMG! (Texas) - Run by Denti
3. /HOPE 3! (Pennslavania) - Run by M@v
4. Brainshock βeta (Iowa) - Run by Yink
5. Phase X-2 (Texas) - Run by UTDZac
6. Mass Madness Legends 2 (Massachusetts) - Run by wWw Dazwa
7. ESAM's ZP Monthlies (Florida) - Run by ESAM
8. ACT 2: Aiken Convocation Tournament 2 (South Carolina) - Run by Khaoz
9. Arizona Power Ranking Decision 5 (Arizona) - Run by Rave Remix

Not Using Unity Ruleset:
None.

Weekend of June 25th
Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Clash of the Titans 5 (New Jersey) - Run by ChiboSempai
2. Who Spiked the Falcon Punch? (Tennessee) - Run by LlamaSensei
3. HASL: Huntsville Area Smash League (Alabama) - Run by *Cam*
4. Grand Traverse Smash (Michigan) - Run by rsr2
5. Sync's Sex Saloon 6 (Texas) - Run by Sync.
6. Southwest Championship (Texas) - Run by The MC Clusky
7. NOM3 (Oklahoma) - Run by Solidusspriggan
8. E4J: Agatha (California) - Run by MikeHaze
9. DMT 8: MLP dies here!! (Texas) - alejandro9561
10. R.x.b. (Rhode Island) - Run by LordXav1er

Not Using Unity Ruleset:

1. XS Bi-weeklies 1: A new hope (North Carolina) - Run by XS Snap. (Custom, Unity Ruleset w/ all infinites banned
2. OUGA: CC Presents Go-Kakuto-Geemu (Ohio ) - Run by theKiest (Custom, standing infinites banned, MK banned, suicide initiator rule, 18 stages)
3. Don't Blink, Don't Care 2 (Illinois) - Run by Arty (Custom, 40 LGL, infinites on Ness/Lucas banned, D3/edge infinites banned, 14 stages)
4. Play N Trade!, Plainview (New York) - Run by Crazy****Ahhhhhh (Custom, initiator rule, 21 stages)

Weekend of June 18th
Using Unity Ruleset:

1. FNB Presents: Epic of Odenton I (Maryland) - Run by Zac
2. Resist the New World Order 3: Rise of the Killuminati (Alabama) - Run by ragnarock
3. Quality Inn Smash: Atomic Garden! (Rhode Island) - Run by Blood Cross
4. GX presents Smash or Die IX: (Georgia) - Run by smithspot
5. Smashing Gentlemens Fight Club THE FIRS (Texas) - Run by MrBlueSky
6. Lone Star Circuit Event #2: HOBO 32!!! (Texas) - Run by Xyro
7. AZ Aftermath (Arizona) - Run by Kiraflax

Not Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Vinnie presents: Uprise of Long Island #5! (New York) - Run by Vinnie (Custom, 40 LGL, all infinites except IC banned, suicide initiator wins, 11 stages-No Brinstar)
2. Pathways Smash XI June (Montana) - Run by Terral (Custom, character if infinited then may change-effects D3 and Marth, Unity Stages)

Weekend of June 11th
Using Unity Ruleset:

1. CEO 2011 (Florida) - Run by googlemyname
2. School is in Session 5 (Ohio) - Run by Today
3. Hall of gaming #5 (Connecticut) - Run by Bizkit

Not Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Albuquerque Air Balloon Fight Fiesta Chile! (New Mexico) - Run by Erich (Pound 5 Ruleset)
2. Shermans Fleshwound (Nebraska) - Run by MegaRobMan (Custom, no LGL, Standing infinites banned, 7 stages including Pictochat)
3. Lost 10 (Louisiana) - Run by Curlz (Custom, Unity Ruleset except Marth/D3 infinites banned)

Weekend of June 4th
Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Gamer Party (Connecticut) - Run by Ling Ling
2. I am not 12, and this is a Tournament (Texas) - Run by tofer_booboo

Not Using Unity Ruleset:

1. PHB (Florida) - Run by B_AWAL (Custom, 14 stages, infinites legal, no initiator suicide rule, sharking/scrooging rule, 50 LGL)
2. LI Presents (In Brooklyn) : The Search for Knightmare516! At Kings Games (New York) - Run by Punishment Divine (Custom, 40 LGL, all infinites except IC banned, suicide initiator wins, 11 stages-No Brinstar)
3. Chinese Inn Monthly (Louisiana) - Run by RjPunch (Custom, 40 LGL, infinites legal, no suicide rules, 11 stages- No Brinstar)

Weekend of May 28th
Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Arcana Heart 3 (Oklahoma) - Run by Solidusspriggan
2. AZ War (Arizona) - Run by Kiraflax

Not Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Uprise of Long Island #4 (New York) - Run by Vinnie (Custom, 40 LGL, all infinites except IC banned, suicide initiator wins, 11 stages-No Brinstar)
2. Don't Blink, Don't Care 2 (Illinois) - Run by Arty (Custom, 40 LGL, infinites on Ness/Lucas banned, D3/edge infinites banned, 14 stages)

Weekend of May 21st
Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Revival of Brampton Smash (Canada) - Run by devlol
2. KTAR5 (South River, New Jersey) - Run by Keitaro
3. TC's Smash Café # 4 (Ferndale, Michigan) - Run by Technical Chase
4. Charity Gaming II (Columbus, Ohio) - Run by AlphaZealot
5. DMT 7: Chance to win a 3DS!!! (Amarillo, Texas) - Run by Dakpo

Not Using Unity Ruleset:

1. Gamers Paradise 2011 (Hagerstown, Maryland) - Run by Metalmonster (Custom Ruleset, 13 stages, infinite legal, initiator suicide rule for Bowser & Gannon only, no LGL)
2. Next Level LAN Presents: Smash Derpfest (Orlando, Florida) - Run by [GB]Cecil (Custom Ruleset, 11 stages, infinites legal, no initiator suicide rule, no LGL)
3. Ogre Smash 2 (St. Louis, Missouri) - Run by TP (Custom Ruleset, 14 stages, infinites legal, no initiator suicide rule, 35 LGL)
4. PHB 5/21 (Tallahasse, Florida) - Run by B_AWAL (Custom, 14 stages, infinites legal, no initiator suicide rule, sharking/scrooging rule, 50 LGL)
5. Pathways Smash XI (Springfield, Missouri) - Run by Terral (Custom, 16 stages, infinites legal, no initiator suicide rule, scouting rule, 40 LGL MK only)

Weekend of May 14th
Using Unity Ruleset:

1. DNA Gaming & Entertainment #17 (Worcester, Massachusetts) - Run by Bizkit
2. B.A.M.F #1 Michigan's Summer Circuit: Season Opener (Sylvan Lake, Michigan) - Run by ORI_bro
3. E4j: Will (North Hollywood, California) - Run by MikeHaze
4. Monterey Bay Thunder 8 (Seaside, California) - Run by Get Your Tournament
5. The Smash Lounge 2 (Lafayette, Louisiana) - Run by ChKn

Not Using Unity Ruleset:

1. UCSD SP11 REC Class - Weekly Tournaments (La Jolla, California) - Run by AZN Lep (Custom Rules, 14 stages, infinites legal, no suicide initiator rule, 14 Stages, 50 LGL)
2. Legend of Gamers presents: BRAWL OR NOTHIN' (O'Fallon, Illinois) - Run by Legend For Gamers (Custom Rules, 9 stages, infinites legal, no suicide initiator rule, no LGL)

Weekend of May 7th
Using Unity Ruleset:

1. (MW:W Cir) Event 52: Battle to End Hunger (Lawrence, Kansas) - Run by DeLux
2. UNCC Presents: The Gold Mine Ft. Kadaj, Dr. Peepee (Charlotte, North Carolina) - Run by H1N1
3. Lone Star Circuit #1: House of Mouse 2!! (Austin, Texas) - Run by Zigsta
4. K9 & Yoshiken's Bi-Monthly Round Robins (Mesa, Arizona) Run by Anjila

Not Using Unity Ruleset:

1. OUGA: CC Presents Shi-Kakuto-Geemu (Columbus, Ohio) - Run by TheKiest (Custom Rules, 18 stages, standing infinites banned, no suicide initiator rule, weird LGL)
2. Dark.Pch and Bum present: Imperial Era 4 (Bronx, New York) - Run by Dark.Pch (Custom Rules, 13 stages, infinites legal, suicide initiator rule, 40 LGL)
3. Roxx presents: Aperture's Monthly Test Chamber 03! (Cincinnati, Ohio) - Run by Kassandra (Custom Rules, 16 stages, Infinites legal, no suicide initiator rule, no LGL)
4. Smash N' Thrash Get preped (Little Rock, Arkansas) - Run by memK (Custom Rules, 15 Stages, Infinites banned, no suicide initiator rule, no LGL)

*Note: tournaments with no rules listed are not counted. All tournaments listed for that Saturday via the Smashboards Calendar system, including international, excluding Melee, are counted.

51/77, or 66% of tournaments, since May 1st, have used the Unity Ruleset
15/16, or 93% of tournaments, in July have used the Unity Ruleset
22/34, or 64% of tournaments, in June have used the Unity Ruleset
16/29, or 55% of tournaments, in May have used the Unity Ruleset

---This is based off of the use of the Tournament Calendar System on Smashboards and only includes US tournaments.

 

[Deleted member]

Can Norfair be legalized, yet? :/

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

You guys think most of the people affected by the stage are top players? They are only like...5% of the people following the ruleset, and we have to make sure it is fair to EVERYBODY and ANY skill level.

I don't know much about Japes since it has never been legal in Florida, so I'll leave it to somebody else from the BRC to answer better.

 

[AlphaZealot]

If MLG Couldn't get most people to use Norfair it's chances for adoption are slim to none.

 

[Deleted member]

If MLG Couldn't get most people to use Norfair it's chances for adoption are slim to none.

Are there any other arguments concerning the legality of the stage? I didn't know MLG was the end-all to these decisions...

 

[WindMajor]

Does the BRC think it's an appropriate stage though?

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I personally like it. I took the time to learn it and the one problem are the flares...but other than that, that stage is perfectly fine.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

I'd like to spend a second and congratulate the BRC for not sucking ***.

 

[AlphaZealot]

My point is that even with MLG backing the stage with the largest tournaments and the most money, only a few TOs were willing to accept it.

It doesn't matter what you want to theorycraft about a stage at the end of the day if you can't get most TO's to want to use it it won't be used.

 

[AlphaZealot]

My point is that even with MLG backing the stage with the largest tournaments and the most money, only a few TOs were willing to accept it.

It doesn't matter what you want to theorycraft about a stage at the end of the day if you can't get most TO's to want to use it it won't be used.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Most people are like that for Japes/GG as well.

 

[WindMajor]

This makes me want to not complete my Norfair analysis. =/

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

DO IT! If it is deemed a super competitive stage the BRC will have new opinions, as will the public. Also...haven't you been doing that analysis for like...2 months?

 

[WindMajor]

It's a lot bigger and more time consuming than I thought it would be.

And it's only been a little less than a month.

 

[Deleted member]

Go for it, Twinkie. It's a fantastic stage, and I really think it's tournament worthy.

Anything to push for legalizing it.

 

[Tesh]

Sonic could use a replacement "super gay timeout stage with random deaths solving his kill problems" counterpick. So go ahead and bring back Norfair.

 

[WindMajor]

So can Toon Link. =P

 

[Tesh]

Metaknight can catch Toon Link on Norfair easy.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Meta Knight can catch Sonic on Norfair easy-er.

 

[Tesh]

nah, he can't. Not until the lava removes 4 platforms anyway

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Sounds like you want a money match.

Conditions: If we don't play each other by tomorrow, I automatically win the money match.

Agreed?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

EDIT: Craaaaaaashboards.

 

[Tesh]

Can I pay you in AiB trading cards?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I stopped going on that awful site recently, so no can do.

 

[Steam]

Japes is an okay stage. though MK has eaaaasy timeouts there against most of the roster

I guess there's nothing WRONG with it. though I'd personally like for it to stay banned even though it's lucario's best stage... just meh

 

[Grim Tuesday]

MK's time-outs are easier on Smashville, lol.

 

[WindMajor]

MK can time out on any stage. It barely matters anymore. :/

 

[xDD-Master]

lol yeah this.

That was exactly my point.

I think overall JJ would nerf MK more than benefit, as MKs would CP Brinstar/RC ANYWAY.
And how many MK matches have you seen going to time? 1? 2? More like 50% ?

BUT with JJ added, MK will sometimes have to ban it probably.
And then Falcos could CP FD for example.

But other than that, we shouldnt look to much at characters anyway


I really wish some of the BRC could answer to my question why Japes isnt allowed. I just dont see any good reasoning, with RC/Brinstar being legal at the same time.

 

[Ghostbone]

It's because people don't like the stage.
They're afraid of people not using the unity ruleset, so it's made so that as many people will like it as possible.

 

[CT Chia]

Japes by far promotes extremely campy gameplay, which doesn't really suit the nature of the game we are shooting for. While time outs are a legitimate form of play, we feel that a stage that straight up promotes gameplay based around camping/avoidance doesn't fit well in competitive play. Or at least this is the reason I feel we somewhat came to.

Also I've been playing the AiB ladder recently, which has Japes legal. I've been CP'ing it a lot to be more use to it, and my mind hasn't changed at all. And for those that think it's not good on it, 90% of the time I play on that stage I use MK and it's a really good stage for him lmao. Like better than most.

 

[Ghostbone]

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Also I've been playing the AiB ladder recently, which has Japes legal. I've been CP'ing it a lot to be more use to it, and my mind hasn't changed at all. And for those that think it's not good on it, 90% of the time I play on that stage I use MK and it's a really good stage for him lmao. Like better than most.

As good as Delfino, Frigate, RC or Brinstar?
Doubt it.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Japes is arguably a counter-pick for MK against Fox, due to the stupidly high ceiling.

Arguably.

 

[WindMajor]

Japes by far promotes extremely campy gameplay, which doesn't really suit the nature of the game we are shooting for. While time outs are a legitimate form of play, we feel that a stage that straight up promotes gameplay based around camping/avoidance doesn't fit well in competitive play. Or at least this is the reason I feel we somewhat came to.

Also I've been playing the AiB ladder recently, which has Japes legal. I've been CP'ing it a lot to be more use to it, and my mind hasn't changed at all. And for those that think it's not good on it, 90% of the time I play on that stage I use MK and it's a really good stage for him lmao. Like better than most.

What I don't like about this is that it shows preference over certain legitimate strategies over others. Camping and timeouts are legitimate types of competitive strategies, yet the stage is banned because the stage is straight up camping. Well.... Rainbow Cruise is straight up aerial combat. Are we gonna ban that?

I can understand if people simply didn't like it, and it's banned because of that. However, I don't think it should be banned because the stage is unfit for competitive play, because that's false, and creates double standards all over the place.

 

[xDD-Master]

Japes by far promotes extremely campy gameplay, which doesn't really suit the nature of the game we are shooting for. While time outs are a legitimate form of play, we feel that a stage that straight up promotes gameplay based around camping/avoidance doesn't fit well in competitive play. Or at least this is the reason I feel we somewhat came to.