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[Hockeyfan44]

First COVID vaccine dose done, half way home (next, and hopefully final) dose in 3 weeks,

 

[Michael the Spikester]

First COVID vaccine dose done, half way home (next, and hopefully final) dose in 3 weeks,

Meanwhile...I'm still on the waiting list...

 

[Opossum]

Except Isabelle isn't that similar to Villager. She's got one special move that's the same... ok two but the swing is at least a different animation then villager's balloon fight hat. She's otherwise completely different.

Isabelle and Villager share their neutral special, up special, Final Smash, dash attack, forward tilt, down tilt, up air, down air, forward air, back air, and their grabs and throws.
Their side specials, down specials, up smashes, down smashes, forward smashes, up tilts, neutral airs, and jabs are unique.

Marth and Roy share their side special, down special, down tilt, dash attack, neutral air, forward air, back air, up air, down smash, and grabs and throws.
Their neutral specials, up specials, Final Smash, up smashes, forward smashes, forward tilts, up tilts, jabs, and down airs are unique.

If we count Isabelle's up special as unique due to a slight animation difference, then the same must be done for Marth and Roy's dash attacks.

Most people would call Roy a semiclone of Marth. Why, then, would Isabelle not be called a semiclone of Villager despite the fact that they have one fewer different move from Villager than Marth and Roy do from each other? Especially when Marth and Roy's general physics and playstyles are far more different from each other than Villager and Isabelle's are.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Gonna be rewatching Godzilla vs. Kong tonight!

Loved every moment of it.

 

[Pokelego999]

YouTube is Now Removing Dislikes - YouTube

This is a bombshell.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Isabelle and Villager share their neutral special, up special, Final Smash, dash attack, forward tilt, down tilt, up air, down air, forward air, back air, and their grabs and throws.
Their side specials, down specials, up smashes, down smashes, forward smashes, up tilts, neutral airs, and jabs are unique.

Marth and Roy share their side special, down special, down tilt, dash attack, neutral air, forward air, back air, up air, down smash, and grabs and throws.
Their neutral specials, up specials, Final Smash, up smashes, forward smashes, forward tilts, up tilts, jabs, and down airs are unique.

If we count Isabelle's up special as unique due to a slight animation difference, then the same must be done for Marth and Roy's dash attacks.

Most people would call Roy a semiclone of Marth. Why, then, would Isabelle not be called a semiclone of Villager despite the fact that they have one fewer different move from Villager than Marth and Roy do from each other? Especially when Marth and Roy's general physics and playstyles are far more different from each other than Villager and Isabelle's are.

Because you're either a clone or you're not. I'm tired of this whole semiclone hair splitting BS.

 

[Opossum]

Because you're either a clone or you're not. I'm tired of this whole semiclone hair splitting BS.

In that case, then, who would you consider a clone besides the echo fighters?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

In that case, then, who would you consider a clone besides the echo fighters?

Falco, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Pichu, and yes Roy. Isabelle has enough moves that are visually distinct for me to not count her. But IMO, all of the others I've listed should have that epsilon symbol next to their names. Which would mean Marth would have three echo fighters but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Well yes, but actually no...

An ox is a castrated bull.

The more accurate unisex term would be 'cattle'

Oxen are commonly castrated but it's not a total requirement to be considered an ox. Besides, cattle is a plural term.


noun

1. a castrated bull used as a draft animal.
   "laden wagons pulled by lowing oxen travel down to the coast"
   • any domesticated bovine animal kept for milk or meat; a cow or bull.
     noun: ox; plural noun: oxen
     
     
     [*]used in names of wild animals related to or resembling a domesticated ox, e.g. musk ox.
     
   
   

 

[Opossum]

Falco, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Pichu, and yes Roy. Isabelle has enough moves that are visually distinct for me to not count her. But IMO, all of the others I've listed should have that epsilon symbol next to their names. Which would mean Marth would have three echo fighters but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

So Roy is a clone but Isabelle isn't, despite Roy having more different moves from Marth than Isabelle does from Villager, and despite having something unique to him that radically changes his playstyle from the source character?

Yeah no. And that's not even getting into the amount of differences Falco has from Fox. Roy and Falco are objectively further removed from their source character than Isabelle is

 

[SnakeFighter64]

So Roy is a clone but Isabelle isn't, despite Roy having more different moves from Marth than Isabelle does from Villager, and despite having something unique to him that radically changes his playstyle from the source character?

Yeah no. And that's not even getting into the amount of differences Falco has from Fox. Roy and Falco are objectively further removed from their source character than Isabelle is

..... yeah. Just as I suspected. Melee bias.

 

[Opossum]

..... yeah. Just as I suspected. Melee bias.

Literally WHAT are you talking about? How is the act of COUNTING indicative of "Melee bias" at all?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Literally WHAT are you talking about? How is the act of COUNTING indicative of "Melee bias" at all?

Because they've been around since Melee they're more unique in your mind then they actually are. Like... Falco has what? The twirly thing and he kicks his shield? Roy has what? His Neutral attack doesn't combo. And THAT'S different enough that they aren't clones.

 

[Wademan94]

Because they've been around since Melee they're more unique in your mind then they actually are. Like... Falco has what? The twirly thing and he kicks his shield? Roy has what? His Neutral attack doesn't combo. And THAT'S different enough that they aren't clones.

Snake, when was the last time you actually picked up and played these characters?

 

[Opossum]

Because they've been around since Melee they're more unique in your mind then they actually are. Like... Falco has what? The twirly thing and he kicks his shield? Roy has what? His Neutral attack doesn't combo. And THAT'S different enough that they aren't clones.

"Melee Bias" has literally nothing to do with anything here. It was a matter of literally comparing attack animations between clone characters and tallying the differences. Falco and Roy's moves have far more unique animations among them than Isabelle's do in comparison to Villager.

Hell, by your own logic, Isabelle becomes less unique, because I wouldn't have counted her up tilt as being the same due to it not being a multihit, but you apparently think that isn't enough, so that's a knock against her.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Snake, when was the last time you actually picked up and played these characters?

I frequently play through matches with every character on the roster actually.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Because they've been around since Melee they're more unique in your mind then they actually are. Like... Falco has what? The twirly thing and he kicks his shield? Roy has what? His Neutral attack doesn't combo. And THAT'S different enough that they aren't clones.

Actually, Roy Neutral attack combo pretty well into his other moves, like Bair or Nair.

 

[Wademan94]

Only one way to settle this:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq_9QdVLQcTt5KwnvZiIiVn4khoMasX45

Have fun.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Because they've been around since Melee they're more unique in your mind then they actually are. Like... Falco has what? The twirly thing and he kicks his shield? Roy has what? His Neutral attack doesn't combo. And THAT'S different enough that they aren't clones.

No one is disputing that Melee Falco and Roy are clones, though. It's only in later games where they were actually given more differences that we argue this.

Almost all of Falco's aerials are visually distinct from Fox now, plus his signature Up Tilt and F-Smash, and his lasers function completely differently. And his mobility stats are way different.

 

[BlondeLombax]

How there’s so many options for cute gothic outfits in Animal Crossing is anyone’s guess. But I ain’t complaining!

 

[Noipoi]

Nothing like the smell of getting heated over Nintendo games in the evenin’

 

[Wademan94]

Nothing like the smell of getting heated over Nintendo games in the evenin’

Or afternoon depending on your time zone

 

[BlondeLombax]

Or afternoon depending on your time zone

It’s still the morning over here. Won’t be in about half an hour, though.

 

[Roguewolf]

Weeeeellllll hecc my butt on a stick.

No
I’m not gonna do that
Gross

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

"Melee Bias" has literally nothing to do with anything here. It was a matter of literally comparing attack animations between clone characters and tallying the differences. Falco and Roy's moves have far more unique animations among them than Isabelle's do in comparison to Villager.

Hell, by your own logic, Isabelle becomes less unique, because I wouldn't have counted her up tilt as being the same due to it not being a multihit, but you apparently think that isn't enough, so that's a knock against her.

i stand by my opinion that we didnt need the dog when we had Villager.

 

[Shroob]

I walk in expecting Mario is dead jokes and plans for April 1st

I get a fight.



Imma go get the bat.

 

[Noipoi]

Shroob rn

 

[SneakyLink]

So today is the day many Mario related things go buh bye. Let's recap shall we:

The Mario Game & Watch
Level Uploading on Mario Maker for Wii U
Mario 35
Mario 3D All Stars
The Mario 3 cartoon on Netflix
Fire Emblem

Truly a sad day...

Wait if Mario is dying how come he's getting a new Golf Game soon? That's a logical fallacy!

 

[MSmariosonic]

Oxen are commonly castrated but it's not a total requirement to be considered an ox. Besides, cattle is a plural term.


noun

1. a castrated bull used as a draft animal.
   "laden wagons pulled by lowing oxen travel down to the coast"
   • any domesticated bovine animal kept for milk or meat; a cow or bull.
     noun: ox; plural noun: oxen
     
     
     [*]used in names of wild animals related to or resembling a domesticated ox, e.g. musk ox.

It seems we both are right

"Historically, "ox" was not a sex-specific term for adult cattle, but generally this is now used only for working cattle, especially adult castrated males."
- according to Wikipedia

Unfortunately I can't access the actual source for this information since it requires some kind of subscription

 

[Opossum]

i stand by my opinion that we didnt need the dog when we had Villager.

See that's where I hard disagree. I don't base a character's worth of inclusion on uniqueness. Isabelle may be objectively less unique than Roy or Falco, but if asked which of the three belongs in Smash the most I'd say Isabelle easily.

She's literally the face of one of Nintendo's S-tier franchises.

 

[Aurane]

Wait what are we fighting about? I'm in the mood to rip and tear.

 

[Noipoi]

Wait what are we fighting about? I'm in the mood to rip and tear.

In the red corner:

SnakeFighter64 145 pounds of pure, pink nerd rage. Don’t talk to her about gorillas, she will cry.

In the blue corner:

Opossum the 2.7 pound western marsupial. Was pronounced dead 14 times, each time was fake. When he finally does die no one will believe it.

The topic:

Clones and Semiclones.

FIGHT

 

[Aurane]

The topic:

Clones and Semiclones.

Oh cool, a dog **** topic that has been beaten to the ground 800+ times with the same conclusion and no one is happy.

I'll grab my chainsaw.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

In the red corner:

SnakeFighter64 145 pounds of pure, pink nerd rage. Don’t talk to her about gorillas, she will cry.

In the blue corner:

Opossum the 2.7 pound western marsupial. Was pronounced dead 14 times, each time was fake. When he finally does die no one will believe it.

The topic:

Clones and Semiclones.

FIGHT

I actually weigh 306 lbs FYI. I love that I radiate skinny energy on here though.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Note to self: Don't look up stuff related to Lisa: The Painful if you're feeling down, it will make you mostly (key word here) depressed.

On another note...

In the red corner:

SnakeFighter64 145 pounds of pure, pink nerd rage. Don’t talk to her about gorillas, she will cry.

In the blue corner:

Opossum the 2.7 pound western marsupial. Was pronounced dead 14 times, each time was fake. When he finally does die no one will believe it.

The topic:

Clones and Semiclones.

FIGHT

MORTAL KOMBAAAAAAAAAAAAT

du-du-du-du-dun~

 

[Shroob]

So Granblue Fantasy did this for April Fools day

I aged like 15 years seeing this face again.

 

[Lamperouge]

I'm only four episodes into Konosuba but Megumin is, like, totally the best.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

It's too easy.

 

[dezeray112]

Meanwhile...I'm still on the waiting list...

Same here.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

So Granblue Fantasy did this for April Fools day

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I aged like 15 years seeing this face again.

I saw an episode of Bobobo-bo once. It was cool, but Beauty's constant shouting got annoying.