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[SnakeFighter64]

Togepi would be a good semiclone, but not echo. It would be too statistically different, on account of not being a balloon. It would be heavier, have the normal amount of jumps, and would need a new up b in response.

And there's no universe that works.

I think we need to expand the definition of an echo fighter then. Like... imagine if they did a whole newcomer trailer for the brand new character that's not an echo fighter....... and it's basically the exact same as another fighter except for some stats and one move..... that's.... not exactly the hypest.

Also, half the time this debate on what qualifies as an echo or not feels like a desperate plea of "My character is more important then yours!"

 

[MSmariosonic]

Echo fighter is such a loose term anyway

In no way should Ken be consider more of a clone than some characters in the roster that aren't labeled as echo fighters

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I heard that's the case with the Flash and Arrow at minimum.

I actually think some of Arrow's middle seasons where they TRY to be a bit lighter would have been nice.

I was always waiting for a moment where Oliver adopted his personality from the comics as a coping mechanism for his trauma. Green Arrow is a wisecracker. CW Oliver is just knock off Batman.

 

[Pokelego999]

POKÉMON GOLD SILVER BETA: IL POKÉDEX COMPLETO! - YouTube
I really like some of these betas.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Echo fighter is such a loose term anyway

In no way should Ken be consider more of a clone than some characters in the roster that aren't labeled as echo fighters

That's it, I'm going with Togepi.

 

[Wademan94]

Hmmm... what’s one echo fighter from the Pokémon series you would love to see? Feel free to get creative (like my assertion that Togepi could be a Jigglypuff echo).

A common one but I feel if you removed the damage gimmick as well as replace the aura with electricity, Zeraora would work as a echo

 

[PeridotGX]

I think we need to expand the definition of an echo fighter then. Like... imagine if they did a whole newcomer trailer for the brand new character that's not an echo fighter....... and it's basically the exact same as another fighter except for some stats and one move..... that's.... not exactly the hypest.

Also, half the time this debate on what qualifies as an echo or not feels like a desperate plea of "My character is more important then yours!"

They'd never do that...

 

[SnakeFighter64]

A common one but I feel if you removed the damage gimmick as well as replace the aura with electricity, Zeraora would work as a echo

don't people not like Zeraora

 

[SnakeFighter64]

They'd never do that...

Except Isabelle isn't that similar to Villager. She's got one special move that's the same... ok two but the swing is at least a different animation then villager's balloon fight hat. She's otherwise completely different.

 

[Deleted member]

he likes my shoe

 

[SnakeFighter64]

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he likes my shoe

I'm afraid of birds. Right now, to me, you're basically Owen from Jurassic World.

 

[Wademan94]

don't people not like Zeraora

Not sure, but I’m having a hard time thinking of options that aren’t like

 

[KingBooGengar57]

I just figured out that even though FFX doesn’t have Gilgamesh, it has Atomos and Shinryu, two other recurring creatures that debuted in FFV.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Except Isabelle isn't that similar to Villager. She's got one special move that's the same... ok two but the swing is at least a different animation then villager's balloon fight hat. She's otherwise completely different.

She does share quite some normal moves with Villager

She is a semi-clone if not leaning very close towards one

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I just figured out that even though FFX doesn’t have Gilgamesh, it has Atomos and Shinryu, two other recurring creatures that debuted in FFV.

Can't wait for the five part Final Fantasy X Remake to finally get Gilgamesh in there!

 

[Pokelego999]

Who's gonna go?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

She does share quite some normal moves with Villager

She is a semi-clone if not leaning very close towards one

I don't remember Villager having the sucky hammer for a neutral A, or the pom poms, or the party popper, or the stop sign, or the water bucket, or the broom, or the fishing rod, or sending a Lloyd rocket up into the skies.

 

[KingBooGengar57]

Can't wait for the five part Final Fantasy X Remake to finally get Gilgamesh in there!

He might be added in FFVIIR too. He was added in FFI - DoS and FFIV - The After Years.... so there’s no reason to not include him there.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Hmmm... what’s one echo fighter from the Pokémon series you would love to see? Feel free to get creative (like my assertion that Togepi could be a Jigglypuff echo).

Emolga as a Pikachu echo. Main difference is that Up-B works like Steve's.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I don't remember Villager having the sucky hammer for a neutral A, or the pom poms, or the party popper, or the stop sign, or the water bucket, or the broom, or the fishing rod, or sending a Lloyd rocket up into the skies.

This argument also applies to Ken then who is consider a semi-clone.


All right then
she's a pseudo-clone

 

[Wario Bros.]

WAKE ME UP INSIDE

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[PeridotGX]

Except Isabelle isn't that similar to Villager. She's got one special move that's the same... ok two but the swing is at least a different animation then villager's balloon fight hat. She's otherwise completely different.

As a former Villager main, my game plan doesn't change much when playing as Isabelle, I just have to remember I don't have bowling ball, tree and rocket. My idea for Togepi radically changes how you would play Jigglypuff, because the stats are radically different. Like from Mario to Dr. Mario, except even more different because Jigglypuff is so strongly associated with the things we take away.

 

[Aurane]

Satan is looking a lil chunky today.

 

[KingBooGengar57]

Final Fantasy has so many WEAPON superbosses.
The Omega Weapon, the Ultima Weapon, the Emerald Weapon, the Ruby Weapon, and the Diamond Weapon, among others. What’s the hardest weapon superboss?

 

[TheMightyP]

Isabelle and Ken are Semi Clones, they have a enough differences to the point where they play nothing alike despite shared moves.

Dr. Mario, Chrom and Lucina are definitely clones, but they have hitbox and damage differences that is just enough to have them play a different playstyle than their parent fighters. Especially in the case of Dr. Mario and Chrom, who have some unique moves that alters playstyles.

Daisy, Dark Samus, Dark Pit, and Richter are all pure echoes in that they don't really have that much different, though Dark Pit's arrows does change some matchups in comparison to Pit.

 

[Wademan94]

As a former Villager main, my game plan doesn't change much when playing as Isabelle, I just have to remember I don't have bowling ball, tree and rocket. My idea for Togepi radically changes how you would play Jigglypuff, because the stats are radically different. Like from Mario to Dr. Mario, except even more different because Jigglypuff is so strongly associated with the things we take away.

This sounds like you only play using special moves

 

[Guynamednelson]

WAKE ME UP INSIDE

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"this meme died 3 years ago"

Threaten to crush me all you want, out-of-touch corporate executives. You can't hide the fact that it's true and most Big Chungus memes I've seen since 2019 have been ironic.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

As a former Villager main, my game plan doesn't change much when playing as Isabelle, I just have to remember I don't have bowling ball, tree and rocket. My idea for Togepi radically changes how you would play Jigglypuff, because the stats are radically different. Like from Mario to Dr. Mario, except even more different because Jigglypuff is so strongly associated with the things we take away.

Dr. Mario, Young Link, and Pichu are Echo Fighters that just don't have the appropriate branding because of Melee nostalgia and they are the foundation of this whole rediculous "semi-clone vs. echo" debate.

 

[MSmariosonic]

At least we can all agree that Mewtwo and Snake are the only actual clones, right?

 

[Deleted member]

I’m curious how Bushiroad expects people to not be confused when they upload the trailer for the card game on an anime channel instead of the actual anime trailer

 

[KingBooGengar57]

Wait, why is FFXIII a bad game? I know why FFII is, but why is XIII a bad one?

 

[TheMightyP]

I remember when they revealed Cloud, and people were insistent that he would be a clone of Ike.

 

[KingBooGengar57]

I remember when they revealed Cloud, and people were insistent that he would be a clone of Ike.

Two different series. How would that be possible?

 

[Guynamednelson]

I remember when they revealed Cloud, and people were insistent that he would be a clone of Ike.

Well he was built off Ike. So they were...10% right.

 

[TheMightyP]

Two different series. How would that be possible?

Melee Ganon exists

 

[MSmariosonic]

Two different series. How would that be possible?

Yeah It would be pretty crazy, right?

Like for example if they'd make a Zelda character's moveset based on a F-Zero rep

Could you imagine?

 

[KingBooGengar57]

Yeah It would be pretty crazy, right?

Like for example if they'd make a Zelda character's moveset based on a F-Zero rep

Could you imagine?

It was crazy but they made it happened.

 

[Noipoi]

I am die

Thank you forever

 

[Wademan94]

Dr. Mario, Young Link, and Pichu are Echo Fighters that just don't have the appropriate branding because of Melee nostalgia and they are the foundation of this whole rediculous "semi-clone vs. echo" debate.

Pichu and Young Link also have different proportions and can’t fit over their counterpart’s skeleton. As for Doc I can see but there’s still a good number of differences...

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Wait, why is FFXIII a bad game? I know why FFII is, but why is XIII a bad one?

IDK. Something about hallways and Lightning. I'll be able to tell you after I play it.