da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
you could stand to pole jock your peeps slightly less...
just sayin...
just sayin...
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The SBR's Official Position on Metaknight
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Inui
Banned via Warnings
lol but I'm not kidding.
With the exception of Mew2King being nearly unbeatable and Azen having a very high shot of beating anyone, any of those players are capable of beating any of the other players I listed. That shows a lot of near-equality in skill at the higher levels of play.
Velox
Smash Ace
the divine "back room" has spoken
now everything is different
now everything is different
g-regulate
Smash Hero
ive beaten everyone on that list cept like, 4. danm im so good
fsdfsdgsgdf
Smash Champion
no body on that list has beaten me
**** im so good
**** im so good
Xzax Kasrani
Smash Master
m2k and azen are too good, but mk dittos with m2k ARE so fun.
EDIT: happy XD
EDIT: happy XD
Mew2King
King of the Mews
mk dittos ARE so fun xzax, ARE. ARE is plural, meaning more than 1 of something
Suspect - I proclaim you as the greatest ever!!!
Suspect - I proclaim you as the greatest ever!!!
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
gameandwatch 4 Lyfe
Smash Journeyman
so i was discussing MK with some friends, and i was behind the anti ban side. they explained to me that mk was broken. i proceeded to tell them that he had several near neutral matchups, some debatable disadvantages. they pointed out that to beat mk, the game must be played very differently. regardless of who you pick you must stay on the defensive. this in itself would be "game breaking" because a character changes the way there opponent must play the game completey. "it ruins gameplay by supplanting other gameplay elements". now i understand that depending on matchups, the approach in each match is different, but vs an mk, no matter what character you pick, youre strategey must consist mainly of running away and waiting for opportunities to present temselves in MK's mistakes. i do not agree with them, but i still thought it was something interesting and worth posting. i just wanted to see what others thought about this.
no flames
no flames
Inui
Banned via Warnings
Um... You have to camp much harder against Dedede and DK to beat them.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
this is true for the most part. U do actually have to wait and punish him. The only char which can play somewhat normal is snake cause he can basically grenade camp everyone. Olimar i guess is another but not really.so i was discussing MK with some friends, and i was behind the anti ban side. they explained to me that mk was broken. i proceeded to tell them that he had several near neutral matchups, some debatable disadvantages. they pointed out that to beat mk, the game must be played very differently. regardless of who you pick you must stay on the defensive. this in itself would be "game breaking" because a character changes the way there opponent must play the game completey. "it ruins gameplay by supplanting other gameplay elements". now i understand that depending on matchups, the approach in each match is different, but vs an mk, no matter what character you pick, youre strategey must consist mainly of running away and waiting for opportunities to present temselves in MK's mistakes. i do not agree with them, but i still thought it was something interesting and worth posting. i just wanted to see what others thought about this.
no flames
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Dude, the optimal playstyle for just about everyone in just about every match-up is camping, and camping hard, and if it's not possible the character who can't generally loses the match-up.so i was discussing MK with some friends, and i was behind the anti ban side. they explained to me that mk was broken. i proceeded to tell them that he had several near neutral matchups, some debatable disadvantages. they pointed out that to beat mk, the game must be played very differently. regardless of who you pick you must stay on the defensive. this in itself would be "game breaking" because a character changes the way there opponent must play the game completey. "it ruins gameplay by supplanting other gameplay elements". now i understand that depending on matchups, the approach in each match is different, but vs an mk, no matter what character you pick, youre strategey must consist mainly of running away and waiting for opportunities to present temselves in MK's mistakes. i do not agree with them, but i still thought it was something interesting and worth posting. i just wanted to see what others thought about this.
no flames
Granted, a few characters are pretty dedicated rushdown, but this game isn't built to advantage that playstyle (but MK is just so good it doesn't matter).
I would disagree, such is not the case usually for Diddy/Kirby/ZSS.
Fletch
Smash Master
Doesn't mean there still aren't tons of characters where that is the optimal playstyle. ROB and Olimar come to mind.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
"Just about".
There are definate exceptions, even characters with exceptions in the majority of match-ups (you obviously cited a few, Diddy is probably one of the best examples), but overall Brawl's mechanics simply favor a defensive playstyle.
Fox Hater
Smash Journeyman
That is the true in way to beat a real good MK u have to play defensive all the time. That is how I manage to beat MK a lot.so i was discussing MK with some friends, and i was behind the anti ban side. they explained to me that mk was broken. i proceeded to tell them that he had several near neutral matchups, some debatable disadvantages. they pointed out that to beat mk, the game must be played very differently. regardless of who you pick you must stay on the defensive. this in itself would be "game breaking" because a character changes the way there opponent must play the game completey. "it ruins gameplay by supplanting other gameplay elements". now i understand that depending on matchups, the approach in each match is different, but vs an mk, no matter what character you pick, youre strategey must consist mainly of running away and waiting for opportunities to present temselves in MK's mistakes. i do not agree with them, but i still thought it was something interesting and worth posting. i just wanted to see what others thought about this.
no flames
For instance I like to use marth although the match up is in MK favor marth has alternatives.
1- First of all I dont attack first I w8 and space a lot doing one Fair and fast falling if the MK is close I can hit him once with fair fast fall and if he tries to attack or grab I simply use jab. or counter attack with Fowrd B. I can use down A but have to be carefull cause his down A is faster and has more priority but if able to conect that lowers his shield and u can foward B him.
2- if he use the tornado when it stops fowrd B or if ur shield is down quickly Up B. that is good and can kill MK.
3- For edgeguarding u can grab edge. or w8 to how MK is going to recover
a- if he goes with tornado to come back. Up B or down B.
b- Same if he uses Up B.
c- if he tries to sweet spot foward B , use down B.
d- invincible cape depends on where he lands.
For all this you have to be sharp cause MK can gimp u for trying to edgeguard him and u lose one stock
4- Almost all the Fight ur going to have to turtle but once you manage to have the lead on % he may fall for the traps mentioned above. and almost all the fight is going to be based on Foward B with marth and real defensive.
But brawl in overall u have to play on defense. different to other fighters. That is why SRK decided to add items. to make the fight go faster since they didn't know Brawl was going to be so different compared to melee ( marvel junior)
By the way I'm from PR and here there is good Competition and gotten better. People like Zero, HDL, Myself , DSL and a few others. But PR is Small compared to the states.
But it seem NJ is where most good smash players are so I will have to visit NJ some time. Or u can all come here
This is not true.
Fox Hater
Smash Journeyman
if its not true then why they put items.
fsdfsdgsgdf
Smash Champion
this is getting sigged
fsdfsdgsgdf
Smash Champion
i saw the sarcasm, evidently you did not see mine, and it's still funny you idiot
anyone who reads my sig is not gonna no how the convo went, god ur dumb lol
EDIT: i just remembered, are you not that person that was getting banned from Grandezas sig shop a while back or some other sig shop. I think you are and now i know why
NinjaLink
Smash Master
I rush everyone down with everyone except GW (even then i do it sometimes). I dont really camp anyone. The only time u have to play defensive(to me), is when ur attacks get beat out altogether. U have to be defensive always against MK because of the random tornado. Even then he gets rushed ^_^
The hell? Who is Grandeza?
They put items in because the SRK management didn't feel the need to ban them from play on Brawl's first run through EVO. They justified it as "stage control" and left it in for the sake of a larger attendance.
fsdfsdgsgdf
Smash Champion
Someone who kept posting in red with a falco avatar was not allowed in his shop cuz they were trolling and being dumb. Guess thats why i thought it was you, my bad
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
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[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Guys, you must also take into account that melee had like 5-7 years to develop strategies and then counters to said strategies. Brawl has been out for LESS THAN 1 YEAR. Eventually people will find counters to MK's strategies, or MK will discover new and completely broken strategies, as the first post says. Give the game time to develop in order to ban somebody. MK isn't dominating enough to get banned; yet.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
characters whose offensive options are better than their defensive options usually cannot win by camping
peach, sheik, diddy, pikachu, squirtle come to mind
peach, sheik, diddy, pikachu, squirtle come to mind
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Dude, you can get away with it because you're NinjaLink.
Every Diddy player can get away with it.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
I know, talking about him rushing with everybody against everybody. I mentioned previously there are some characters where it's the best playstyle, but rushing is certainly not an optimal strategy for everyone, or even the majority of the cast.
*watches vid of NinjaLink fighting Rykoshet using Zelda*
NinjaLink
Smash Master
I rushed him down on that 3rd vid. Hence the 2 stock MA d00d
Btw Soul Calibur 4 was out shorter than brawl but yet they banned Al Gol because he can only be beated by 2 characters.
And yes there is strats against MK. I'm tryin to help out with that in the char threads.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
fsdfsdgsgdf
Smash Champion
chuck norris and bruce lee
NinjaLink
Smash Master
Kilik and Hilde because they have range. Al Gol has Bubble Walling and only those 2 can attack through it.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
kilik is ****
NinjaLink
Smash Master
Yea basically if Al Gol does it right no one can touch him except those characters.........think about the situation we have now......just saying
Inui
Banned via Warnings
Algol was banned because he turned the game into "move around the bubbles" and running the clock was way too easy. He lost to Kilik and had plenty of match-ups where he could lose, but he made the game too gay.
It's really funny to think of all these scrubs complaining about the Tornado when you hear something like that
Inui
Banned via Warnings
The tornado doesn't turn the game into a stupidly boring process of dodging bubbles and it doesn't make running the clock extremely easy to do. I don't think Algol and MK are comparable.
Agent P
Smash Rookie
Truly, Banning a character isn't going to move the game forward >_>
Yeah he's cheap but, w/e doesnt mean we should ban him
Yeah he's cheap but, w/e doesnt mean we should ban him
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