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Smash Champion
i agree with you but he does not win like he did in melee
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The SBR's Official Position on Metaknight
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Fox Hater
Smash Journeyman
Brawl is not the same as melee
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Smash Champion
I was not saying it was >_>
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
M2K actually does win more than he did in Melee. He last lost to NinjaLink a couple weeks ago. Before that, he last lost to NinjaLink months ago.
The dude's gotta a NinjaLink problem, lol!! Reminds me of M2K vs KoreanDJ.
The dude's gotta a NinjaLink problem, lol!! Reminds me of M2K vs KoreanDJ.
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Smash Champion
M2K does not "dominate" brawl like he does in melee tho..
atleast that's my opinion
atleast that's my opinion
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[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
THis is a position about MK thread, not how good M2K is at brawl compared to Melee..
Inui
Banned via Warnings
Uh...He dominates Brawl more than he did Melee. In Melee, he frequently lost to KoreanDJ, Ken, PC Chris, and ChuDat. He also lost two sets in a row to Mango at the end of Melee's prime. >_>;
Yes.Fox Hater said:
Snake.
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Smash Champion
Im talkin about now >_>
yea he lost to mango recently, but he is still considered the best. Speaking of ken, did you not see M2K **** kens entire crew in that one crew battle? And those matches you are talking about...were those not when he used fox and his marth was not as good as it is now?
and melee is still going, wtf u talkin about willis?
Ryan-K
Smash Master
and jman took a set from him at alukards in november
Mew2King
King of the Mews
lol i win the same in melee and brawl, in my prime i probably won more in melee, but I could say that about my prime in brawl too. I've been winning so much in both games I would just call it a tie.
inui - wow lol, that's way before i was good, I got so many times better since those times, and at VLS I actually did have a controller problem so I wouldn't really count that.
lol NinjaLink beats me like half our matches, Atosmk has close games and occasionally beats me, and when Azen is playing his best our matches are about 50/50. If you played me a lot in Melee at my house you would probably think different. I feel like I'm the Justin Wong of smash
inui - wow lol, that's way before i was good, I got so many times better since those times, and at VLS I actually did have a controller problem so I wouldn't really count that.
lol NinjaLink beats me like half our matches, Atosmk has close games and occasionally beats me, and when Azen is playing his best our matches are about 50/50. If you played me a lot in Melee at my house you would probably think different. I feel like I'm the Justin Wong of smash
Zephramrill
Smash Lord
Inui
Banned via Warnings
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Smash Champion
Rofl, I post the results to a tournament that has basically all the best talent on the EC except M2K and people go "where is M2K! He wasn't there, and MK didn't win, therefor MK would have won and MK should be banned.".
There were no MK's in the top 5. Deal. And basically some of the best MK's in the country were there. If MK really deserved to be banned, you would not have a ZSS, an Olimar, and a Kirby in the top 5 of a tournament with basically the most amount of talent in the entire country, including a player who went to the west coast, used MK, and got 3rd at a 300 person tournament.
There were no MK's in the top 5. Deal. And basically some of the best MK's in the country were there. If MK really deserved to be banned, you would not have a ZSS, an Olimar, and a Kirby in the top 5 of a tournament with basically the most amount of talent in the entire country, including a player who went to the west coast, used MK, and got 3rd at a 300 person tournament.
Inui
Banned via Warnings
Yeah, AZ has a point. Plank and I didn't exactly place that high, lol. Our character clearly isn't broken.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
stop blaming my wins on MK. I had overall arguably the best record on EC for months when I used DDD. I'm just a good overall player. I HATE people using that as a reason to blame MK for bring broken. He is probably the best character but he's nowhere near good enough to be banned
Fox Hater
Smash Journeyman
lol snake. well he is an option but come on he is the second best character.
I use Marth and DK.
And M2K dominates brawl more than melee cause in melee there was more competition. Ken chu, mango, chillin isai, Korean DJ, PC, and many more in brawl there are some but for me they dont take it as seriously and well melee> brawl , there is too many that think they are the **** but they are scrubs who knows how to up B with MK and win. and the real pros of melee dont use MK so if anyone had a chance at beating him they are in a disadvantage.
why then did he changed to MK and didnt stay withh DDD. At first people tought DDD was broken ( he still is) but MK was far more superior and has no weakness period.
Just like when he changed to Marth instead of Fox then suddenly he became a god in melee.
And by the way I aint taking credit away from him. He improved marth metagame a lot.
But different to brawl in melee marth fox falco had their weakness is not like all was lost. and people like mango, Hugs, Cort, HDL, Germ, Isai, Bum proved tiers didnt matter. But in brawl
MK has no weakness that is why M2K dominates so much in brawl
USA is just like that. Pick the top and win for sure cause people dont dedicate and explore all the posibilities of a characters.
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Smash Champion
Im calling it now, Ice Climbers will be the next to be complained about because of there grab game and "there's 2 of them" lmao
Inui
Banned via Warnings
He also beats MK 55/45.
I think Brawl has significantly more players that would be considered "top" because the scene is much larger and the game is easier to be good at. There's more competition now. How do you not notice this? Are you not active in the tournament scenes?
Mew2King was bored of Dedede. He is a simple character that generally plays slowly and does just a few things to win. Mew2King switched based on fun, not anything else.
MK has plenty of weaknesses. He is punishable. D-smash is -25 on block, for instance. He's very light. Why do people say he has no weaknesses? That is so absurdly foolish.
He switched to Marth due to consistency. MLG and other big tournaments often forced players to wait a long time between their matches, which made keeping his Fox warmed up more difficult. Marth is easier to play and you can make up for bad tech skill with intelligence.
Wtf? M2K dominates because of MK? He wasn't losing when he mained Dedede, either.
Why are you saying such stupid things?
Yea, you really should follow the results of tournaments with top talent before making statements.
Basically, this debate is dying because MK hasn't taken all top 3/8 or even most of the top 3/8 at a tournament of importance since HOBO11. All I see at tournaments are good players placing well using a variety of different characters.
Dojo
Smash Champion
...And the only reason that happened at Hobo 11 was because of the MK talent that was there. You gather the best MK's from across the nation in that room, not to mention some of them being the best period in that bracket, and how could you not expect them to take it?
M2K, Azen, and DSF are widely considered the top 3 players in the US at this game. You get Lee Martin and I in that mix, and you have 5 really good MK's and top players in a tournament. It was only natural that MK's were going to dominate that tournament.
M2K, Azen, and DSF are widely considered the top 3 players in the US at this game. You get Lee Martin and I in that mix, and you have 5 really good MK's and top players in a tournament. It was only natural that MK's were going to dominate that tournament.
Inui
Banned via Warnings
Dojo, not every good MK was there. In fact, a LOT of good ones were missing. Forte, Omni, Plank, Shadow111, myself, etc. 
Second part of your post is indeed true. MK was destined to **** that tournament.
Second part of your post is indeed true. MK was destined to **** that tournament.
Dojo: I could have predicted the top 2 of that tournament like any other tournament, and it would be basically regardless of character: 1. M2K 2. Azen. It should be important to note that BOTH of these players lose to people on the EC, including when they go MK. That said, I believe Azen has said he is not using MK in tournaments...and he is still placing 1st/2nd all the time and has been for like 2 months now without MK.
Finally, lets not forget ChuDat's Kirby. At the time or HOBO11, no one would consider Kirby as good as many are beginning to view the character now.
Finally, lets not forget ChuDat's Kirby. At the time or HOBO11, no one would consider Kirby as good as many are beginning to view the character now.
Dojo
Smash Champion
Oh, I'm not saying all of them were there. I just said some. I haven't forgot about you guys.Dojo, not every good MK was there. In fact, a LOT of good ones were missing. Forte, Omni, Plank, Shadow111, myself, etc.
Second part of your post is indeed true. MK was destined to **** that tournament.
You're all at least as good, or most likely better than I am. I'm just saying that those top 3 guys were undoubtedly going to win. With the talent that was there it should've been expected to see MK with those placings. If the rest of you would have been there, all top 8 spots probably would have been occupied by MK at the time. Oh yeah, without a doubt those 2 were going to win that tournament. We hadn't experienced a level of skill like we did that day. Although we're much better for it.
M2K and Azen would have ***** us with any top tier character at the time. Azen especially. This was also at a time where the conflict seemed to be at a climax of controversiality. Only when this happened, it seemed to put it over the top. Many people now, Chu specifically, are pulling other characters into the mix.
Inui
Banned via Warnings
If the EC came as a whole, NinjaLink and Atomsk would have stopped us MKs from winning!
Dojo
Smash Champion
Haha probably. I wanna play all of you.
CoT4.
CoT4.
Inui
Banned via Warnings
CoT4 is going to be hot.
Get at The Knights of Sheldon in crews. That name is off of two EC inside-jokes. It's going to be Mew2King, Inui, teh_spamerer, and Atomsk. Raaaape.
Get at The Knights of Sheldon in crews. That name is off of two EC inside-jokes. It's going to be Mew2King, Inui, teh_spamerer, and Atomsk. Raaaape.
ProBrawler
Smash Lord
ECRC finals in January and CoT4 in February! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. And I'm actually beginning to care less about MK, it's fun finding a way to beat him.
Fox Hater
Smash Journeyman
first dont treat me as a scrub.
1- I have been and believe me all i see is the same guys wining. Some few new faces that it. never compare it to melee. And what I meant with competition is not # of playes but quality
2- He switched to marth and MK for the same reasons and I dont judge him so dont come defending him. He just plays to win and thats smart . I was just pointing that out. And when he used DDD he didnt dominate like with MK and he was starting to lose. thats not fun thats playing for money.
3- what I meant of weakness is as a character counter pick or a really bad move. some move that can be punished isn't considered a weakness. What you mentioned of Down smash is just and unsafe move if spamed or used in a wrong situations. I can give u the whole list of how to punish MK. I'm know as to eat MK for breakfast but in Top lvl play MK has to many BS. about Snake is still in debate if the fight is 55-45 or 50-50.
4- I've been playing for a longtime fighters not just smash so what I say its not stupid "things" is just conclusions about reasearch thats been done. and actually I am pro ban MK but I admit that there still not enough to prove that he is banneable. so keep that in mind.
5- sorry to mention but this but many considered top in brawl arent good enough. and I have seen matches of you among others who claim to be top and you are just above decent ok. And I dont need to go to tournaments ( I do go)in order to pass that jugdement.
I can mention guys like Snakee, Ninja Link , M2K, DSF, Azen, and a few others that are really the tops. That list cant be compared to what melee had to offer. Still I have to admit brawl is new it has been out for like 8 months so we have to w8 to see more results.
I was just expresing my opinion I dont have anything against u so I dont want a flame war.
What? This makes no sense, what you are saying is simply that PC/Isai/Ken/KDJ were better comparatively then whoever happens to place roughly equivalent to them (so like, Ninjalink). There is no way to actually arrive at such a conclusion, but even if you could you would have to take into account the amount of talent to be the best in a game, and that is largely related to the number of competive players within a pool of talent, Ken dominating in 2004/2005, for example, is not as impressive as a player who could dominate Melee in 2007 (of course, no one really "dominated" in 2007-though M2K came close). Additionally, you are saying that the best players from a pool of roughly 1,000 players are better than the best players in a pool of roughly 3-5k players.
Fox Hater
Smash Journeyman
I haven't, u said it I just said the list was bigger . its because many that placed 1rs 2nd etc etc even in japan played against Ken M2k PC and got beaten. maybe that is why u came with this conlusion. Brawl is too young to come with this conclusion. so please enlighten me as to what I said that made you come to this conclusion about my argument.
In melee the list was vast and there were too many great players. in brawl well..... its just to early, but as of now too many that think they can play. when i went to vegas in summer I expected competition and well i found many great players but I beated them all except for SK92 and some were really close matches. except when I used DK i was ***** and I thought I wasnt that good in brawl compared to how good I was in melee.
but please this debate is about MK. not M2K or Melee. we know both are way better than bawwwl
lets just find ways to beat MK. I know a lot of them.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
you can't compare how good i was in melee compared to brawl because WITH EXPERIENCE I GOT SMARTER AT COMPETITIVE SMASH IN GENERAL
edit - the part about switching to DDD to MK because i was losing isn't true at all. I was in fact winning, and this was right after/around the same time as FAST1, which I used DDD 3 or 4 times near the end of the tournament to win despite maining MK at that time (and just recently before). The honest 100% reason I switched mains is because I was getting bored of the stuff I could do while with MK there was a lot more to learn. I didn't even know he was the best character at that time (Snake was considered the best) I just used him the most because he felt like a mix of Marth/Fox in Melee and was much more fun to me. I switched from Marth to DDD in brawl because I thought DDD was better and did better with him.
edit - the part about switching to DDD to MK because i was losing isn't true at all. I was in fact winning, and this was right after/around the same time as FAST1, which I used DDD 3 or 4 times near the end of the tournament to win despite maining MK at that time (and just recently before). The honest 100% reason I switched mains is because I was getting bored of the stuff I could do while with MK there was a lot more to learn. I didn't even know he was the best character at that time (Snake was considered the best) I just used him the most because he felt like a mix of Marth/Fox in Melee and was much more fun to me. I switched from Marth to DDD in brawl because I thought DDD was better and did better with him.
HE ALSO LEARNED HOW TO TYPE IN CAPITALS
because he's afraid of mango typing
theres so many different styles
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I got the conclusion that you believe the top players in Brawl are not as good as the top in Melee because you said people like Ninjalink/DSF/M2K aren't as good as the Melee top players (which is ironic, because two of them ARE two of Melee's top players).
Also ROFL at Las Vegas being a reputable place for finding top tier Smash talent, in Melee OR Brawl.
Fox Hater
Smash Journeyman
That was not what I meant .when I said that the list cant compare it was about lenght. And yes vegas is like
but since it was evo and there were many other fighters like MvC2 Tekken etc I tought there were going to be good players. but for melee there were some good ones in 2k7. Next time im gonna have to try NY to find good ones. any help so I can find good competition next time I go to USA
OMG. Please don't tell me you are making any comparisons about EVO. No player in the top 5, probably top 10, in the country went to that tournament.
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Smash Champion
And didn't EVO have items?
Fox Hater
Smash Journeyman
2k7 as in melee times. for 2k8 bawwl times everyone sucked. even the tournament was a joke with items. but where are most of the good players at in brawl? just in case i visit again.
By the way the second time I went to evo I went for the other fighters not smash. I new bawwl was going to suck
By the way the second time I went to evo I went for the other fighters not smash. I new bawwl was going to suck
Inui
Banned via Warnings
Then don't act like one.
Where do you live?
Mew2King wasn't losing with Dedede, dude. He won just as much. He switched completely based on fun and nothing else. When it came to switching to Marth, he actually picked up an inferior character just to be more consistent because of how difficult playing Fox can be.
Snake is MK's bad match-up. Game and Watch, Falco, Diddy Kong, and Olimar also go nearly even with him. Many other characters don't lose worse than 40/60, like Dedede and Marth.
I'm one of the few people in this community that actually understands, watches, and plays other fighting games, so pulling that card on me isn't going to work.
You contradicted yourself with your last few sentences.
Who cares about vids? My vids are terrible. I claim to be a top player because I am based on my results and who I beat.
Random top Brawl players off of the top of my head in my region alone:
Mew2King
Azen
chillindude829
NEO
Bum
NinjaLink
Snakeee
Plank
Omni
ChuDat
Forte
teh_spamerer
Atomsk
Inui
BlackWaltz
Boss
Candy
Korn
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Dear God, the list could go on in my region alone when it comes to top/high level players that place well, can win against basically anyone else on that list, etc. Brawl has incredible competition. Maybe it's just my region since it's by far the strongest, but still.
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