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i'll have to say that wario does have the advantage, if only slight. But..link beating an oli? laughable. #1 Example of why link should NEVER beat oli. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
I would say 60:40 Wario or at least 55:45, imo Wario has the advantage.
yeah and since link is the only character who can do this crazy ****, he sure has a 100-0 MU against olimar. I don't see why link isn't freakin top tier oO
Its cause link sucks balls against lOlimar
you are posting in the olimar boards. did you forget? review oli vs. sonic then post your friend vsing SK 92's oli. (if he has one) =]
One random person posts that sonic is easy, with nothing backing it up. People already realized it was a silly comment, and posting a video of your friend's sonic beating SK92's FALCO in a friendly won't help OLIMAR boards.
actually you can grab wario off his bike while he's doing a wheelie, it actually puts wario closer to the ground and easier to grab, as for stage picks, olimar does very well on battlefield, as for a wario counterpick, if you want to mess up olimar bad, pick norfair ( i think its norfair, the metroid level from ssbm) for obvious reasons, crazy terrain, lava, and olimar can't even grab while hes standing on or behind the breakable floor, it really messes olimar up.
I'm assuming that by "doesnt have a chance" you're implying a 70:30 matchup or worse?
I pivot grab a lot, but MKs I play against (read: Domo) back off as soon as they see me start to run away, because they know it's coming (or they just get in the air). Also, can't MK rise with tornado to avoid grabs, and then retreat out of range for you to punish? It seems like they do that, but maybe I'm just not getting to them quick enough? I dunno. That's really good to know about yellow f-smash beating tornado, I'll have to try that out. Oh, and if you get caught in tornado can you SDI out the top if MK rises? If I use both sticks to SDI then I can get out, but then I end up up-airing, while if I only use the control stick I can't get out. What method do you use?
Alright, thanks for the advice. Anyone else have any tips?
...norfair is an amazing mk stage >.>
norfair is good for MK? O_O i didnt know that, ive always counterpicked it against MKs except if i could counterpick corneria xD thanks for the advise, i wont cp it again.
Distant Planet is CP at my tournaments!
Preceding Weeks :
Week #1 : Link(pg 1 and 52-57)
• Behaviour : Link has some good projectiles. He’ll be trying to use his boomerang and his arrows to camp from afar until he realizes that he is the one who has to approach. Normally, he has a great spacing attack in zair, but Olimar is short and so it can be difficult for Links to use it well. He's got some good killing options in dair, fsmash, and dsmash.
• His scaring moves :
-Fsmash: It has good range, great power, and low start-up lag, but enough after-lag to keep its use at a minimum. There's not much to talk about...
- Upsmash : Link's DACUS (dash attack canceled upsmash) moves him farther than average. It can be a good killing move at high percents, but it's very punishable upon block and doesn't have a lot of setups, and so Link players use it very situationally. It might be used just after a hit zair, or maybe an uptilt at low percents. It has three hits, so just shield all three and punish with your best option.
- Bombs: Just learn what all he can do with the bombs. Link can attack with his bombs in his hand and he has some pretty tricky moves he can use. Here’s a link to a video showing some of his techs: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=V0u3sUOShcI At 5:42 it shows some of his bomb tricks. I recommend watching the whole video. When you latch a pikmin onto Link when he's a got a bomb in hand, he can't throw it or he'll explode. The pikmin will die if it's not red, but Link will get hurt.
- Arrows: Pikmin throw will collide with them and stop them. Just before link lands, he can fire an arrow that won't have it's normal lag frames. It speeds up the animation to his Hero’s bow, similar to Falco's lagless landing lasers. They might use it try and gimp your recover, so if he's not edgeguarding with the boomerang or bombs, expect some arrows.
-Dair: It's a powerful killing option, but it's very hard to land on an Olimar that watches out for it. Your upair will beat it out and it's not very difficult to avoid. I've seen it used a couple times to punish staying on the ledge for too long. It has considerable lag though, so if he uses it and misses, throw a couple pikmin at him before you punish. The extra damage helps.
-Zair: (aerial chain) It's completely lagless. It will be used to start combos and such. Just shield it. If he begins to grab you just after using the zair, just spotdodge or roll behind him next time.
-Jab: Link has a slow 7 frame jab (as opposed to Olimar's 4 frame jab) with great range and lock properties.If you don't tech your falls, he may jab lock you to the edge and finish with any attack of his choosing. His jab is his life saver in most matchups. It's not uncommon to see this as his most used attack.
• How to win ?
- Be patient. Spam your pikmin until he approaches. You DO outcamp Link, so if you can't seem to do it, then you just need to either practice or rethink your pikmin throwing strategy.
- Be sure to capitalize on some of his slower moves. Shield through them and punish accordingly.
- Link has a tether grab-it's quick for how much range it has, but the afterlag is awful. For this reason, Link players don't grab very often. Try shielding more in the matchup, but don't depend on it. If they think you'll shield an attack, they'll grab instead.
- Link doesn't have very many safe options for defending his backside. Add this with his very short duration spotdodge and below average OoS options and you've got yourself a character that needs rolling and spotdodging more than most. Prediect his spotdodges and either charge an attack, or just shield and wait for him to do something.
- Gimping Link- His recovery is bad. IMO, it's worse than Olimar's. It doesn't go very high, he falls fast, and his upb isn't very fast. The only thing he has going for him is good DI and some projectiles to help keep opponents from edgehogging. With good DI he can live up through the 180's if you don't kill him efficiently. Throwing your purples at him is a fantastic edgeguard as well as fsmashes off the side of the stage. If he's far enough from the stage that he'll have to use his upb to recover, then upb to the ledge and just hang there. When he throws a bomb or boomerang, just press up and go back to the ledge. When he's just about to use his upb, immediately press back->upb->up to regain your invincibility frames and continue to edgehog him.
- Also! Keep in mind that with Link's bad recovery and your dsmash's horizontal trajectory, it can be a great setup for edgeguards and gimps.
• Match-Up 70-30: (easier)
• Recommended stages:
-Your normal counterpicks should do well versus Link. Just choose a stage you are comfortable at.
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