The Old Diddy Social/General/Q&A Thread

[chimpact]

On brinstar do the parts where the stage breaks refresh your moves? If they do that's amazing.

And on the slanted platforms on the right and left, you can pluck a banana and the momentum will carry you onto the main stage if you pluck it on the slant. It's kinda like running off stage and then plucking to get the momentum.

And if the overall stage is titled towards the right, you can dtilt on the right side of the edge through the edge. You can also drop from the ledge, double jump, and then wall jump to recover back on stage, but it's not that useful imo. I could get a video up if you want a visual.

 

[GooseMainsDiddy]

I'm pretty sure that any thing that makes your moves connect (not go through) will refresh your moves. I'm not totally sure though.

 

[Praxis]

Anything that imparts damage to a hurtbox refreshes your moves, IIRC.

Hitting a shield does not. Hitting a Green Greens block or a Smashville Balloon or Brinstar Pillar does.

 

[chimpact]

So even the thing in the middle that separates the stage?

 

[FelixTrix]

/\ yep. I usually nair the flesh wall things because the only time i ever use nair is to fast fall it and maybe set up for some up tilts.

 

[Boofy!]

also castle siege statues, and luigi's mansion. i think u-tilt or d-tilt is best to refresh moves imo

and on a related note does each hit from diddy's tail count as one move? or does it refresh per hit?

 

[GooseMainsDiddy]

IDK but same would go for his cartwheel.

 

[Jupz]

There is a better description in the Kongpendium, but you basically have to Monkey Flip Kick at the earliest possible moment and then Airdodge right before you hit the ground. The timing is hard as balls, though.

Ok, thanks for that

And also, each hit of Diddys tail refreshes moves, making his jab the best for refreshing moves.

 

[Dekar173]

Keeping kill moves shouldn't be that much of a problem for a Diddy, not to say it isn't great to refresh stuff, just don't focus all of your attention on refreshing your moves the instant you knock someone off the stage, just play normally and keep racking up that damage :D utilt kills anyone at 200 ;P

 

[Gnes]

Keeping kill moves shouldn't be that much of a problem for a Diddy, not to say it isn't great to refresh stuff, just don't focus all of your attention on refreshing your moves the instant you knock someone off the stage, just play normally and keep racking up that damage :D utilt kills anyone at 200 ;P

Snake kills u at 120%

 

[FelixTrix]

Don't use up tilt or down tilt for refreshing. Those moves are hella good. haha. Nair is a diddy player's least used move, so who cares if it get stale? sets up for up tilts better imo.

Also, multi hit moves don't refresh your moves. 1 multi hit move counts as 1 hit. use nair.

 

[white peachy]

What is the best way to survive with DI with banana in hand? Should I be trying to z-drop to b-air quickly? Or dthrow the naner to get the effects of the fastfall? Which is best?

 

[Hobs]

Wouldn't it be good to stale combo-ing moves? So, wouldn't staling d-tilt/u-tilt be good so you might get more in?

 

[FelixTrix]

Down tilt and up tilt are only good 2-3 times max depending on how heavy the character is. Making it stale will just do less damage and gives your opponent more time to SDI out of your move.

 

[Player-3]

ftilt is a really good move

i love it

 

[Ingulit]

What is the best way to survive with DI with banana in hand? Should I be trying to z-drop to b-air quickly? Or dthrow the naner to get the effects of the fastfall? Which is best?

Use D-Throw as though you were using B-Air for DI (or D-Air, if you're one of the new age Diddys).

 

[white peachy]

Use D-Throw as though you were using B-Air for DI (or D-Air, if you're one of the new age Diddys).

Ok that's what I've been doing. Makes sense that would be the best way. Just exploring all the options.

 

[GooseMainsDiddy]

eh, filt is pretty unreliable for me. Usually i just down smash instead. Unless you are talking about another situation where a smash couldn't subsitute.

 

[Dekar173]

Snake kills u at 120%

Ya but once you're at that percent you should pretend you're DMG's Wario and run awayyyyy!

 

[ADHD]

Snake kills u at 120%

No, much earlier. 100. Maybe if you DI perfectly you can live that, but seriously you'll die at 110 no matter what. And you can't run away against snake to avoid being killed, he has like 5 other moves that somehow ALWAYS HIT YOU!! Diddy's up tilt kills snake and DDD at like 250%..

 

[Dekar173]

100 won't kill you unless if you've got granny DI :| Except on Halberd, you'll die at 0 on that god **** stage.

 

[ADHD]

100 won't kill you unless if you've got granny DI :| Except on Halberd, you'll die at 0 on that god **** stage.

I've been uptilted enough to know that it kills you at 100 unless you DI it perfectly which is kind of hard to do consistently imo. And yeah halberd is miserable just ban it <_<

 

[Gnes]

I've been uptilted enough to know that it kills you at 100 unless you DI it perfectly which is kind of hard to do consistently imo. And yeah halberd is miserable just ban it <_<

Here we go son.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDO8kIlkrXw

1:26-1:28

Now im not saying i DI it perfectly everytime...but like 60% of the time. But against snake every percent counts

 

[Dekar173]

I've been uptilted enough to know that it kills you at 100 unless you DI it perfectly which is kind of hard to do consistently imo. And yeah halberd is miserable just ban it <_<

DI towards Snake at a sort of 330 degree angle, and SDI down, dair to momentum cancel!

@Gnes- Maybe PS1 has a slightly higher vertical killzone than the other neutrals? I'm not quite sure, but it's something worth checking. Regardless, that was awesome DI on that utilt ;P


Something we definitely need to check out- can Snake's utilt be double sticked down? (you get hit and go... Down?!!?2!?!?) We've all seen it, but with certain moves it doesn't work. Not quite sure if Snake's utilt is one of them, but I mean come on, it's worth a try :D (D3's utilt can be double sticked down, so there is hope!!!)

 

[ADHD]

Here we go son.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDO8kIlkrXw

1:26-1:28

Now im not saying i DI it perfectly everytime...but like 60% of the time. But against snake every percent counts

That was on PS1 no cheating! !

 

[Player-1]

That was on PS1 no cheating! !

It's not 100...you can probably live to 110 with good DI, sometimes 120, 130 maybe pushing it but if it's decayed then yeah.

 

[Melomaniacal]

So I lost to a Yoshi. Never fought a Yoshi before, didn't really know how to handle it. That chaingrab can annoying as hell, and egg camping is more annoying then that. Anyone know the match up well?

 

[FelixTrix]

Yoshi can't chaingrab diddy can he?

 

[rvkevin]

Yoshi can't chaingrab diddy can he?

Yes, Yoshi can grab release chain grab Diddy.

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

It's weird. I know I've jumped out of it before, but I know I've been unable to before.

 

[Ingulit]

It's weird. I know I've jumped out of it before, but I know I've been unable to before.

^This

The first time I played against a decent Yoshi I thought the match-up thread was wrong about his chaingrab because I kept jumping out of it. Now I can't escape it, and I know for a fact that the first guy knew how to do it properly.

 

[tibs7]

im starting to lose to the IC's, getting 40%-death/120% is not cool and im sick of it. are there any videos to watch that i can study??

<3 tibs

 

[Melomaniacal]

I couldn't jump out of it at all. The most I got was the beginning of the jump animation, but I still got grabbed. Couldn't use any aerial either.

 

[Ingulit]

ADHD vs Lain was recorded in the live feed for SNES, though it's hard to tell what's going on. It seemed like the goal was to isolate and spike Nana (since she's too stupid to avoid it or save herself) and then deal with solo Popo. I couldn't tell you from experience, I've never played an IC main.

EDIT: Well, it's SUPPOSED to be a true chaingrab for Yoshi, though like Mercutio said I've jumped out of it before and have been trapped by it before.

 

[Player-1]

ADHD vs Lain was recorded in the live feed for SNES, though it's hard to tell what's going on. It seemed like the goal was to isolate and spike Nana (since she's too stupid to avoid it or save herself) and then deal with solo Popo. I couldn't tell you from experience, I've never played an IC main.

EDIT: Well, it's SUPPOSED to be a true chaingrab for Yoshi, though like Mercutio said I've jumped out of it before and have been trapped by it before.

then the Yoshi messed up

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

The Yoshi I play is Green Ace, for the record.

...

So yeah...

I don't know. It's friggin' weird.

 

[Melomaniacal]

I'm pretty sure you can't get out of it if the Yoshi times it right.
Well, that was just one problem. The other was the egg planking. **** egg planking.

 

[Gnes]

Yoshi's cg on diddy is true...but how did he grab u in the first place

Also...lol at egg planking.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Well, that's the other problem. I wasn't focusing at all. It was really just a lot of retreating pivot grabs, all kinds of shenanigans. I couldn't figure it out, haha. I didn't get grabbed a lot, but when I did, I ended up on the other side of the stage.

 

[chimpact]

It's a guaranteed grab release.
Yoshi's ground game kinda sucks, especially compared to ours. And he has a lot of blind spots. He can only approach with eggs or bair, so dribble a lot, and try to stay mid distance so he can't grab you.

If he shields, he's gonna spotdodge, since that's his best OoS option. If he rolls punish it because it sucks.

Also you can hug the stage before when yoshi gets off the stage as he's throwing eggs forcing him to double jump. You can then spike him (which is risky) or punish him when he gets on stage.