inc lost post yeah yeah
^ DK is still viable even considering Dedede's infinite. He's a decent character all-around and, theoretically, a non-D3 main will only play D3 as a counterpick. You would
require a secondary for the opponent's counterpicks or D3 mains, yes, but you can still get away with playing DK almost all the time. Luckily, D3 is also easier to CP than anyone else in the upper tiers.
Wario is hard to play? Maybe he just comes natural to me but he seems pretty easy to pick up. His movement is
very fluid and he can pretty much play the same against most any character.
As for you, PhantomX, my response is merely thus:
"You have to remember that this grab release isn't a weakness only for us, but for our opponents as well." ...Are you ****ing serious? :embarrass That's like saying Falco's recovery is his opponent's weakness because they overpursued off-stage and put themselves in a position to be edgeguarded afterward. Please assume your opponent is competent before making such asinine statements, or at least acknowledge that such a situation is caused by player error and not character-based. I suppose the Dedede infinite on DK is a weakness for Dedede because he's mostly going to fish for grabs?
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RE: Peach -- Not all multihit moves are created equal. It's a lot harder to SDI out of Peach's DAir than it is "the turtle." Peach's DAir ends quick enough that one almost has to see it coming before it hits to SDI successfully through it. However, if you "saw it coming," you were probably already trying to avoid it and got caught off-guard if it does still land. By the time you can react to being hit, the move's already over. I suppose if one plays the match-up enough it would eventually get easier... but then how common is Peach?
Oh okay, looks like we moved into discussing Peach full-out with Dark.Pch here? Hey, lemme join in!
So... Why would you (Dark.Pch) think DK and Pit are above Peach? Is it really that difficult to compare some of their basic characteristics? DK has assloads of killing power, way out of Peach's league. He's got great range. He's more mobile, like everyone else. ;/ Looks like you already did that though and, of course, made sure to point out Peach's own advantages as well. There's also match-ups to consider. At any rate, you can't just compare two mid-tier characters like that and easily determine which character is superior overall. Quite simply, more people value DK's set of characteristics higher than Peach's. You're also extremely biased and a little overly compassionate when it comes to arguing your character. :/
As far as Pit is concerned, I think he's really underrated in general but his tourney rep is horrendous and he's not getting any hype (ala ZSS) to encourage new people to pick him up. He's probably the best projectile camper in the game behind Falco/Olimar, he's got tools for almost any situation (such as a Cape-like reflector!) and he doesn't have any "horrible" match-ups. I think TL is underrated too, but he was never mentioned.
Also, Peach is a mediocre character. Pokemon Trainer should be higher than Peach.
Also, on another note, I think that general mobility is necessary to be even a decent character in Singles. ...
I think if more people were willing, and had the patience, to play "gay" to stall and tire out PKMN TRNR's little monsters, he's the worst character in the game. Or perhaps not
the worst but still near the bottom, more where he was in the first tier list revision. Squirtle would totally be upper-tier if you could play him standalone, though.
I copied your second statement into the quote blocks there because I wanted to point out that attack range is also an important consideration alongside mobility. Although I think he's still much higher than he deserves, Dedede is a rather good example of this. Nobody is a bigger, slower target than Dedede, yet he persists through the great range on pretty much all of his moves (including his grab). Ike is a good lower-tier example, especially if you compare him to, say, Ganondorf.
