wow I was an idiot for only discussing it in the ruleset threads.
Guys, HA is not banned. BBR reps have told me this multiple times. The only issue, is that the 'stalling' rule can potentially cover HA and render a perfectly legal tactic, illegal because of a misleading rule description.
OK fine lets see if I can get any agreement on this before I take the next step and make a whole new thread about it.
My argument: Whilst HA under the stage is not explicitly banned and is legal for all intents and purposes, any player may be disqualified for using it under the general 'stalling' rule. This rule is open to interpretation by all people involved. There is no other tactic in the game which can result in a DQ which is NOT explicitly stated. The only other tactics which can result in a DQ are;
Chain-grabbing or locking past 300%
Using IDC
Any freeze/crash glitches
Pausing (? not sure where it is written)
All of these tactics have a separate rule for them. The point being, if any TO chooses to run their tournament by 3.1 ruleset and DOES NOT make any mention of any other tactic being bannable, all tactics are therefore assumed legal.
So I ask, what is the point of the stalling rule being very vague "Running away from an opponent to reach a better position is not stalling". If using homing attack under the stage is legal, the rule regarding stalling should be removed and replced with a separate rule covering the halberd glitch and one for CG'ing past 300 seeing as there is no other way to illegally stall. That way there is no room for interpretation and everyone is well aware of the BBR's view on the matter. Any TO could still ban HA themselves but at least if they do so, they would be required to add their own rule (EXACTLY THE SAME FOR BANNING CERTAIN CHAINGRABS) because it would be grossly unfair to anyone who got DQ'd over a rule which is not written. Remember that HA does not fit the current description of stalling.
my god do you even think?
WHY IS IT VAGUE, WHAT DO WE GAIN FROM IT?
we are talking about rules which are the difference between a DQ and not. Its a pretty serious issue if it happens in game.
Have you ever thought of a reason as to why rules dont say 'you cant chaingrab people until really high %', 'Using metaknights downb for too long is illegal' and 'winning a match on final stocks with with a suicide grab is ok sometimes' ? Its the same deal here.
Its pretty clear the BBR is obviously of the opinion that HA under the stage is legal so all I want to see is a simple change to the rules. Either list every single tactic which is banned (which it currently does) and then add a disclaimer that any and all tactics which are not EXPLICITLY BANNED are therefore legal. should add the halberd glitch to this btw.
OR
a short statement saying that using HA under the stage is legal.
As per usual, it is up to TO's to change the rules as they see fit but only once they know this.
Is that so much to ask?
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Now that I dont disagree with...
Unfortunately (as I made too obvious) that leaves the door wide open to suggesting that planking is stalling, which indeed matches your current description. Whilst you can call out a sonic player for repeatedly running away and reneweing the HA stall, should you not also be allowed to call out the mk player who repeatedly hides on the ledge with the sole intention to time the enemy out?
Would you be quick to DQ a sonic who sets up a HA stall once, but allow an MK to begin planking 20 times a match? Not an unrealistic number btw.
No rule states that it is banned. the problem is, no rule says that its legal because anyone can DQ you for stalling.
what we need to do is petition to get the BBR to make it 100% clear whether this tactic is actually banworthy.
1) If they ban it, I will forever argue that planking must be limited as HA is NO WHERE NEAR as powerful, once you ban FD its too easy to stop it on BF after u strike SV or something. It is IMPOSSIBLE that ha will ever be broken, it should not be banned. the conterpick system makes it extremely easy to beat.
2) If its legal, then so be it. however it must be stated that no TO can DQ a player for using it under the stalling category
It really is impossible that HA under the stage serves any purpose other than to hide from your opponent, but then again so does wario running away and metaknight the instant he runs to the ledge without being pressured there. Its unfair that the BBR will ban sonic for wanting to time people out but fully allow metaknight all the planking he wants with the exact same intention and more devastating results.
