Falconv1.0
Smash Master
I love how they totally call me out at one in the ****ing morning and leave Gonzo alone.
Good **** *******s, you must feel real big.
Good **** *******s, you must feel real big.
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The New Official Kirby Matchup Rankings AND GUIDE Thread! :: OMGOMGOMG! We're done!
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MyCurse4Life
Smash Ace
Kirby, throu the ages!
A1lion835
Smash Champion
You can easily put on 40% damage by just juggling them with utilt and and then bairing after 4 or 5. His recovery is really predictable, and, unlike Falco, he doesn't have a real meteor (fox's dair=FAIL). I'm too lazy to right much else right now... I agree with gonzo, 65-35 us.
feardragon64
Smash Champion
Just going to say for the fox's arguing about this and saying 60:40....
Your board says 65:35 as well so....ya >>
Your board says 65:35 as well so....ya >>
MK26
Smash Master
Hmmm...the general consensus seems to be regular-sized advantage, not large advantage.
Stage counterpicks please?
Stage counterpicks please?
A1lion835
Smash Champion
Brinstar.
Fsmash and bair kill ridiculously well there (though this applies against almost anyone), so edguarding will be even easier. It also makes it hard for his laser to hit (the tentacles stop it, the platforms stop it, everything stops it), a dair offstage is almost always devastating to him (either hit into lava or death). Definitely not FD... if brinstar is banned, go pokemon stadium 1. Yoshi's Island (brawl) is also a good neutral(stone slide FTW!).
MK26
Smash Master
Asdioh, is that you?
A1lion835
Smash Champion
Nope. I'm just a follower.
feardragon64
Smash Champion
If you go brinstar, just be wary of trying to cg along the left side of the stage or on the platforms since you can't regrab on the fthrow if you're going downhill, and the platforms only allow for short cg's(2 fthrow uairs at most).
Also, you can get a max of 44 damage from cg's at 0% I think. That's from grab, fthrow, uair, grab, pummel once, fthrow, hammer.
Anyways, I'm not sure about counterpicks....I suppose ban final d?
Also, you can get a max of 44 damage from cg's at 0% I think. That's from grab, fthrow, uair, grab, pummel once, fthrow, hammer.
Anyways, I'm not sure about counterpicks....I suppose ban final d?
I wouldn't ban FD. I feel a few extra damage with lasers is worth being able to CG combo very easily.
CP rainbow cruise imo gimp heaven for Kirby that and Luigi's mansion which would prevent Fox from getting a u-smash kill as early as they want and Fox not being able to camp effectively.
I ban halberd if anything due to low ceiling.
CP rainbow cruise imo gimp heaven for Kirby that and Luigi's mansion which would prevent Fox from getting a u-smash kill as early as they want and Fox not being able to camp effectively.
I ban halberd if anything due to low ceiling.
MK26
Smash Master
Fthrow uair fthrow uair fsmash
51% guaranteed against everything except SDI
lrn2gonzocombo
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
Guys, Brinistar is good for Kirby, no one will deny it, but it is not the end all stage for EVERY character. For example, when a character like Fox has a Usmash that can kill you at ridiculously low percentages, taking him to a stage with a low ceiling like Brinistar, Green greens, or Corneria (Yeah, I know, Halberd too, but I'd be more worried about the afore mentioned three) is a bad idea. It's pretty much maximizing Fox's only advantage. CP a stage like RC or JJ (though realistically speaking, since a CP implies you lost, you shouldn't even be in a position to CP against Fox 
).
As for the actual matchup, Fox players, why are you getting mad about the crouch under laser comment? If you're winning, we have 5 jumps, and we're going to use them to jump at you, dodge you Usmash, the Bair you in the face (or just Bair you if you do anything but Usmash).
Also, is anyone certain that the Gonzo combo can be interrupted by the reflector? It didn't seem to work when I tested it (tested it by having someone mash downB during the whole thing). Is there a specific timing for it, or are you guys just assuming it works?
).I don't have actual data, but I am fairly sure that's wrong (if it were right, Ganon's Usmash would not be capable of hitting aerial opponents and same for Kirby's Utilt.)
As for the actual matchup, Fox players, why are you getting mad about the crouch under laser comment? If you're winning, we have 5 jumps, and we're going to use them to jump at you, dodge you Usmash, the Bair you in the face (or just Bair you if you do anything but Usmash).
Also, is anyone certain that the Gonzo combo can be interrupted by the reflector? It didn't seem to work when I tested it (tested it by having someone mash downB during the whole thing). Is there a specific timing for it, or are you guys just assuming it works?
~Gonzo~
Smash Ace
lolz, try this one if u want to conserve ur Fsmash .......... Fthrow, Uair, Dthrow, Bair, fastfall (make sure kirby doesn't squish or this will fail), Reverse grab Dthrow, Bair, i think u can manage +51% against heavies while conserving ur Fsmash
sorry fox i've been in the Lab, also against Snake, "off topic i know" u can do Fthrow, uair, reverse Utilt, Bair, reverse grab, Bair, then chase to another grab, +51 also.
sorry fox i've been in the Lab, also against Snake, "off topic i know" u can do Fthrow, uair, reverse Utilt, Bair, reverse grab, Bair, then chase to another grab, +51 also.
~Gonzo~
Smash Ace
also sorry for double post but counterpick stages, definetly Rainbow cruise or Jungle ****, i like **** cuz its easy to gay people on that stage and Fox will feel very claustrophobic on that stage.
feardragon64
Smash Champion
xD I'll keep that in mind.
Anyways, RC sounds pretty good to me. Only thing that worries me his low ceiling at lots of points...
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
That's why I'd go JJ myself. Hell even FD is good.
What other stages have high ceilings? That's really the only thing that really factors into it for this matchup.
What other stages have high ceilings? That's really the only thing that really factors into it for this matchup.
feardragon64
Smash Champion
No harm in picking a stage Kirby can abuse multiple jump recovery. =b
~Gonzo~
Smash Ace
lol i was literally about to tell u to go to dreamland cuz its a great stage for Kirby, wow, i dont miss melee stages, i dont miss melee stages, i dont miss melee stages. ****, who am i kidding, GIMME BACK fOUNTAIN OF DREAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feardragon64
Smash Champion
A1lion835
Smash Champion
BTW, I said in my previous post to cp pokemon stadium. I accidentally left out the "NOT" in that sentence. I would CP japes (really high ceiling).
Sooo I picked up Fox today. He's so fun. I'm actually decent with him by now, too. I got 3-stocked by a Captain Falcon, but /first time playing Fox on wifi johns.
Reflector doesn't seem to break the Gonzo combo as easily as I thought. Wolf's reflector seems to come out faster, have a bigger hitbox, and gives him invincibility frames.
upsmash kills at ridiculously low percentages even on the bottom of say, Smashville.
Fox's utilt is pretty good...dair->utilt a couple times will do...I'm not sure, but at least 20-28% on Kirby from 0.
Fox has the speed in this matchup...Fair really does seem to do well against Kirby's Dair, like someone said. I wasn't really paying attention, but Fox seems to have good aerial movement speed.
Fox is really easy to gimp when he's below the stage, but when he's level with it or above, he shouldn't have too much trouble recovering.
The biggest trouble I had playing Lion's Kirby earlier was getting out of grab combos and utilt. I'm not the best at DI-ing out of stuff like that though, so maybe a really good Fox player would get out of them earlier.
If the Fox plays smart, he can put up a good fight. I'm thinking anywhere from 65-35 to 60-40 Kirby's favor.
70-30 is ridiculous though. :/
Reflector doesn't seem to break the Gonzo combo as easily as I thought. Wolf's reflector seems to come out faster, have a bigger hitbox, and gives him invincibility frames.
upsmash kills at ridiculously low percentages even on the bottom of say, Smashville.
Fox's utilt is pretty good...dair->utilt a couple times will do...I'm not sure, but at least 20-28% on Kirby from 0.
Fox has the speed in this matchup...Fair really does seem to do well against Kirby's Dair, like someone said. I wasn't really paying attention, but Fox seems to have good aerial movement speed.
Fox is really easy to gimp when he's below the stage, but when he's level with it or above, he shouldn't have too much trouble recovering.
The biggest trouble I had playing Lion's Kirby earlier was getting out of grab combos and utilt. I'm not the best at DI-ing out of stuff like that though, so maybe a really good Fox player would get out of them earlier.
If the Fox plays smart, he can put up a good fight. I'm thinking anywhere from 65-35 to 60-40 Kirby's favor.
70-30 is ridiculous though. :/
~Gonzo~
Smash Ace
U know they call Fox a top tier counter around here. He's been doing exceptionally well. Although that basically means Chineesah
He's a good character.
He has TEH REFLECTOR MINDGAEMZ
Also, I found something fun to do: run, then B-reverse lasers. There are two ways to do it...one way makes your momentum cancel and you turn around and shoot, and you slide a little towards your opponent (in the opposite direction of where you were running)
The other way makes you turn and shoot, and slide AWAY from your opponent (in the same direction you were running)
It all has to do with when you do the B-reversal: before hitting B, or at pretty much the same time you hit B. It's not hard to do, but I'm having trouble pulling it off consistently right now.
Kirby can undoubtedly do the same thing, but his runspeed is craptrash so the effect will be diminished.
~Gonzo~
Smash Ace
what i would give to start with Falco's power, his laser is to good with Kirby, the ultimate camping weapon would meet the hardest character to approach. it would be to broken 
A1lion835
Smash Champion
Asidoh, I actually felt pretty good about my gonzo-ing vs your fox. You actually made the correct counter a lot of times, but I used, like, 3 different versions (fthrow>uair>reverser utilt>bair, fthrow>uair>fsmash, and, once, fthrow>uair>usmash), so you countered the wrong one. Biggest problem I had was a lot of moves (dair, hammer, etc) becoming rock. And your usmash. Oh, and reversing my final cutters when I shouldn't *cough*wifi*cough* or not reversing when I should *cough*wifi*cough*. I kept picking japes to counter your usmash. If you hadn't been you, I would've picked brinstar, but... you're you.
. And your usmash. Oh, and reversing my final cutters when I shouldn't *cough*wifi*cough* or not reversing when I should *cough*wifi*cough*. I kept picking japes to counter your usmash. If you hadn't been you, I would've picked brinstar, but... you're you.
~Gonzo~
Smash Ace
i feel like some wifi, uall wanna play?
A1lion835
Smash Champion
I can't now... tomorrow?
~Gonzo~
Smash Ace
10 sures
A1lion835
Smash Champion
Yay! I'm gonna brawl gonzo! I'm gonna brawl gonzo! *does the happy dance*
Lord Viper
SS Rank
Aw that's cute, you facing his Kirby with Fox, (since this is the topic right now). XD
Fox actually isn't too bad on Brinstar. He can LAZER the tendons from just about anywhere to refresh moves, and his Upsmash can kill at amazingly low percents, especially on the top platform. I picked it against you once, and I think I won with Fox
But like I said, it's not a bad stage for him. Especially since if you try to gimp him, the acid might save him (it will do damage, but it's not as bad as losing a stock)
Then again I'm just really used to the stage by now.
I thought you hated wifi? If you haven't played it in a long time, you're going to absolutely hate it and get totally frustrated.
Lion, if you beat him, don't think too much of it
awwwwAw that's cute, you facing his Kirby with Fox, (since this is the topic right now). XD
>_>
Moving into my college dorm tomorrow, chances of me being on smashboards less: high
chances of me being on wifi less: very high
kirbz
Smash Apprentice
i think fthrow -> uair -> fthrow -> uair -> dash grab -> dthrow -> utilt -> bair works to get 65% , but DI might ruin it
Falconv1.0
Smash Master
I would think Kirby could prolly chase him after the the second uair for a d throw but I dont think he'd get another tilt.
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
Doesn't Kirby's Utilt beat Fox's Dair? (I haven't tried, but it beats a lot of other Dairs.)
A1, regardless of whether it's Asidoh or not, why CP fox to Brinistar? Why?
I guess you could do worse and go to Corneria, but still...
A1, regardless of whether it's Asidoh or not, why CP fox to Brinistar? Why?
I guess you could do worse and go to Corneria, but still...
Well he can't laser camp very effectively (not that Kirby has much trouble against it anyway) but Kirby will kill him at extremely low % with fsmash there. And Kirby has an easier time racking damage in this matchup.
~Gonzo~
Smash Ace
Snake can jump out of ur second Fthrow
Yoshi-Kirby
Smash Journeyman
I wouldn't use throws against a good Snake though because Snake can easily KO Kirby on the ground, but in the air, Snake has a lot of lag on his aerial moves, and Kirby can easily combo him in midair, and if Snake uses Up-B, Kirby can hammer him easily.
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
True, but, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't Usmash Fox's only reliable kill move, and it kills at very low percentages. Combine that with the fact that Kirby is susceptible to Star KOs, and that means I'm not picking a stage with low ceilings against Fox, regardless of any other factor.
Fox also can't laser camp effectively on JJ or RC (Not to mention the main problem with his laser isn't the very small amount of damage it gives, but the fact that it refreshes everything else, including that Usmash), and Fsmash can kill well on JJ, and Kirby gimps Fox well on both stages as well.
Personally, I don't see any reason NOT to CP one of those stages (or any other stage with a high ceiling, but especially those two).
Not really. It's his best KO move, especially against Kirby. But yes, ban Corneria. Wall Infinite + Lowest freaking ceilings ever? Win.
Are you kidding? Once you're off the ship for RC, it's camping heaven for Fox. He has enough speed to basically avoid Kirby for most of the match, and a good Fox will abuse that heavily. RC is by no means a bad stage for Fox, and definitely not a good CP.
Want a good stage that screws up Fox really badly? Lylat Cruise. The edges do horrible things to him.