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The Kirby Video Archive/Kirby Critique thread!

MikeKirby

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These two are a tourney match and feel free to critique my Kirby.
I'll try and update to some more recent ones when I get some more matches in with Kirby.

First match
Second match
Duude... best showing I've seen posted here in the longest!! What's there to say? I really like how you spaced yourself away from his Shuttle Loop and how you avoided his D-smash. I liked how you read your opponent's tendency to airdodge! You made that MK go on autopilot! Just niiiice! Hmm, I would say that you shouldn't try dodging into him much (unless you really mix it up which you did pretty fine) and watch out for your aerial hammer's phantom lag. I know the other Kirbys probably think I keep nagging about that but I mean, it really leaves you very vulnerable. :ohwell:

The one thing I really liked was the end of game 2. I've never been brave enough to attempt something like that. Verrry impressive man, very good. :bee:

I think I learn at least one thing from watching these.

One thing though, what was with those epic moments of slow mo? :laugh:
 

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Duude... best showing I've seen posted here in the longest!! What's there to say? I really like how you spaced yourself away from his Shuttle Loop and how you avoided his D-smash. I liked how you read your opponent's tendency to airdodge! You made that MK go on autopilot! Just niiiice! Hmm, I would say that you shouldn't try dodging into him much (unless you really mix it up which you did pretty fine) and watch out for your aerial hammer's phantom lag. I know the other Kirbys probably think I keep nagging about that but I mean, it really leaves you very vulnerable. :ohwell:

The one thing I really liked was the end of game 2. I've never been brave enough to attempt something like that. Verrry impressive man, very good. :bee:

I think I learn at least one thing from watching these.

One thing though, what was with those epic moments of slow mo? :laugh:
Thanks for the critique man :).

Yea, the phantom lag I've never knew about it until a week ago but you just reminded me of it haha. The random slow mo was my capture card program failing... Need to find a better program xD.

I actually love the Marth and Snake MU as Kirby. I'll show you guys some matches of my Kirby vs Snake and Marth.
 

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These two are a tourney match and feel free to critique my Kirby.
I'll try and update to some more recent ones when I get some more matches in with Kirby.

First match
Second match
Watching the first vid. That MK is kinda scrubby yo, but I like your Kirby. A lot of movement, and some picking and poking, which is how that MU is played. Stop AD'ing into him, it doesn't work on good players, but for the most part you have a solid Kirby. Get a better training partner imo so you can get even better.

Tl;dr- Scrubby MK, solid Kirby; looking forward to seeing some tournament results.
 

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So I just noticed my critique thread was locked and basically merged into this thread, and then I remembered this thread is also mine.

*stares blankly at OP*

Is there any point in updating it?
 

Darkshadow96

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Watching the first vid. That MK is kinda scrubby yo, but I like your Kirby. A lot of movement, and some picking and poking, which is how that MU is played. Stop AD'ing into him, it doesn't work on good players, but for the most part you have a solid Kirby. Get a better training partner imo so you can get even better.

Tl;dr- Scrubby MK, solid Kirby; looking forward to seeing some tournament results.
I play against Holynightmare's MK with Kirby quite often but I don't like the MU all that much. I'll try and get a replay of my Kirby vs his MK.

And I will also get some more matches up of my Kirby.

Oh yes, I forgot about this MM set. It's vs SwordGard's Snake. It's a bit old considering that my Kirby went through a random boost in skill from then(January 15th) to now but I play the mu a bit like this minus the rolling xD. Like I said, I'll get some up to date stuff with my Kirby.
Match 1
Match 2
Match 3
 

Kewkky

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So I just noticed my critique thread was locked and basically merged into this thread, and then I remembered this thread is also mine.

*stares blankly at OP*

Is there any point in updating it?
Not really, since everyone has videos in different posts and it'll take forever to find them, which is why I haven't updated it for you. :|

I personally have all my videos in a single post, which links from my signature, for easy viewing. Whenever I get new videos I also make a new post so people know I have new videos in case they want to see them. I don't know why anyone hasn't done the same yet, but oh well. It'd make updating the OP too easy, what with only needing to update it when a new member appears with serious non-critique videos.

EDIT: However, my signature doesn't want to appear. So I deleted everything from it except my video links.
 

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Yeah, I set mine up the way the front page describes. All my videos are in one post I just edit that is linked to the front page. It's a really convenient system, and I would be surprised if other people didn't use it because it seems really good.
 

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I play against Holynightmare's MK with Kirby quite often but I don't like the MU all that much. I'll try and get a replay of my Kirby vs his MK.

And I will also get some more matches up of my Kirby.

Oh yes, I forgot about this MM set. It's vs SwordGard's Snake. It's a bit old considering that my Kirby went through a random boost in skill from then(January 15th) to now but I play the mu a bit like this minus the rolling xD. Like I said, I'll get some up to date stuff with my Kirby.
Match 1
Match 2
Match 3
One thing against Snake, if you're in the lower port and dthrow him onto a grenade Snake takes damage from the grenade and you don't.
 

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One thing against Snake, if you're in the lower port and dthrow him onto a grenade Snake takes damage from the grenade and you don't.
Both take damage, but only Snake gets knocked away, and it's when any throw gets interrupted by a grenade.
 

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@ Degree- Where to start. SHFAir isn't great against TL. Approaching from below is DEFINITELY NOT how you approach TL. You were trying to aggro the **** outta the TL and you got ***** for it. Aggro against TL is how you play the MU but not like that. Powershield more. Take time to grab and followup more. Slow down a bit.

Someone else take over.
 

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I watched and like the vs Nappy. You really tried and I like that. I was like "WTF?" when you tried to string an Up-B while in the air. :laugh: Also, I'm pretty sure you knew this but you KO'ed yourself twice when you tried and succeeded in DI-ing to survive. Y'know jumped right into the corner blastzone. I'll quote T!mMy on that one;

After you tumble-cancel with a U-air and you are in the upper corner of the screen: do not jump to momentum-cancel. Use Kirby's hammer instead. It's known that if you jump when in the upper corner of the screen for a momentum-cancel you'll actually trigger the KO.
Personally I got for a fast-fall D-air.
Anyways I always learn a lot from watching the talented Kirby's videos! :bee:
 

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@ Degree- Where to start. SHFAir isn't great against TL. Approaching from below is DEFINITELY NOT how you approach TL. You were trying to aggro the **** outta the TL and you got ***** for it. Aggro against TL is how you play the MU but not like that. Powershield more. Take time to grab and followup more. Slow down a bit.

Someone else take over.
Bro you can`t because of his projectiles.
 

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Against Sin242:

Try to mix up your approaches against MK. It seems like you limit yourself to tilts and aerials only. Try to shield/sidestep and react more. The only things Kirby can't grab on shield are Fsmash and Dsmash.

Also be aware that MK can punish everything on shield with grounded shuttle loop out of shield. If you whiff its a different story...
 

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Bro, I never said he shouldn't go aggro, but there's a difference between blindly running in and hoping to hit TL, and aggro-ing intelligently to minimize damage. It's so obvious when you watch the video.
 

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Critique please.
My kirby is no that good, so any tips will help.

Chef Fox (Toon Link) vs. Degree of Fear (Kirby)
http://www.youtube.com/user/CMFofB#p/u/7/fPjynbEl2gU
http://www.youtube.com/user/CMFofB#p/u/18/nrg0hSG5E3o
Yeah, Jowii is right. You have to be aggro, but you have to approach intelligently. The best way to get in in my experience is to bait a Zair, then roll through it and buffer Utilt. You can crouch under the Zair as well. Also, learn to insta-catch bombs. It helps a LOT.
Ideally, you want to be just outside of Zair range for most of the match, since at that range you can bait and punish while remaining relatively safe. Also, 90% of the time, when TL does a retreating backwards AD, he's going to cancel it with a Zair.
That MU is frustrating because of the projectiles and his aerial mobility, but if you play it really patiently and wait for an opening before going in, then it's doable.


For things I noticed:

-You need to bait more moves. Stay right outside his range and punish anything he whiffs. You just kept rushing in over and over really predictably, and getting wrecked as a result.
-General Brinstar tip: Never spotdodge near the tentacle things.
-Don't be below TL. If he's above you, don't chase unless you're certain he'll spotdodge. It's a better idea to try and bait a Dair then punish it or try to read his landing and punish that.
-Work on spacing in general. You didn't seem to really know the range on some of Kirby's moves too well.
-Grab more. Kirby has an amazing grab game, and you didn't really take advantage of it.
-Don't try to inhale TL. Really don't. It's not worth the hassle. It doesn't help us all that much and he can Dair us out of a swallow.
-Stone: Don't use it.
-When TL whiffs a grab, you can get a free grounded hammer if you are near him (Like on 2:58 in the smashville match), a Fsmash if you're too far to get a grounded hammer in time, and a grab if you're coming from the really far away (Other side of the stage). Basically, when TL whiffs a grab, punish that **** HARD. It has one of the longest grab cooldowns in the game (After ZSS I think).
-Ftilt is a good way to negate the boomerang when on the ground. It allows you to clash with it and slowly gain ground, but don't do it when he's in range to punish.
-Don't try to challenge Uair when it's out, and remember his body is also a hitbox during the whole thing, so he can fall on you with a Uair and hit. It's safer (especially on ledgehopped Uair) to wait for him to land and punish.
 

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Hey guys, we don't play brawl much in Denmark, but for I wouldn't mind being able to compete better with the best here when we do so if any of you have some advice it would be much appreciated :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBC7vVj6UYU&feature=feedu

On a sidenote I don't mind Jonas when I talk about the best in Denmark they didn't play in that tournament (only this final was even played offline :p)
 

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Hey, nice to see some players from Denmark here.

I think the most important advice would be to regard your approaches, specifically when your opponent shields. This is mostly applicable to the beginning of the video because by Round 3 you weren't getting punished for it so much. I have to point out though that Jonas could have utilized Whirling Fortress out-of-shield much better through all three matches.

Going offensive with Kirby is a must, but you can't expect to be able to force openings with your offense. For instance, I saw smart use of the B-air (especially in round 3) but risky uses of other aerials, specifically D-air and Hammer Swing. You were spot-on with the use of D-air off-stage (such as on Yoshi's Island), but be mindful of using D-air when you're not going for gimps since it's very easy to punish both before it has a HitBox as well as after you land with it (with the exception of Hup Canceling). I don't know if the Hammer you threw out on the ground in Round 1 was on purpose, but consider the 'risk-vs-reward' factor: Bowser was at 58%, had the Hammer even landed it wouldn't have KO'd meanwhile it's exceptionally likely to miss and/or be punished. Regardless, even if the Hammer was a technical error, replace such actions with safer options to build pressure, create openings, or build incremental damage.

Overall, you played a pretty solid game. Just look to polish up what you're currently doing, look for safer options, explore mix-ups, and your game should progress nicely.
 

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On a bulky fatty like Bowser, you should look to land FThrow>UAir>regrab>DThrow, but be mindful if you try to follow up blindly, you'll eat a claw midcombo.

Also, instead of spotdodging, maybe try DTilting or FTilting.

It's a solid Kirby, but you'd have done better knowing some of the finer points of that MU; it's really easy.

Lastly, when you FC, go for the ledge.
 

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Thanks t!mmy (and everyone else), as said we don't play brawl very often (this was the only 3 games at all that weekend for instance :p) so I don't know how far I can progress in matchup knowledge and such, but i'll definitely keep your advice in mind. :)
The Dair thing I think I got from watching chu once, and it seemed to work fine for him in that match, but i'll try to cut down on it ^^


Don't even remember using a grounded hammer, but it sounds like something stupid that I could randomly do (i've been told that I think TOO abstract at times), I doubt it was an accident xD7

Edit: A minor extra question by the way: Is it better to cancel knockback with Dair og Bair? Sometimes it seems like Dair works better.
 

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D-air can work well in a number of situations, but the truth of the matter is that the more someone becomes accustomed to Kirby the easier it is for them to punish his slower attacks and they start dishing out bigger punishment. Stick to quick and safe attacks, such as when JoWii suggested D-tilt\F-tilt, and it will be harder for your opponents to get as many counter-hits on you. That and they'll be less prepared for when you do throw out those D-airs and other odd mix-ups.

The reason why D-air seems to work better than B-air for canceling your "Tumble" animation is because you can start a Fast Fall as soon as you perform an Aerial Attack. If you're hitting down on the control stick (or the c-stick) for the D-air, you're also initiating a Fast Fall which can affect your trajectory (horizontal). Overall, the B-air can be the better option to "Tumble Cancel" because it comes out faster and ends sooner which allows you to "Momentum Cancel" before you go out-of-bounds.

The usual way to do a Momentum Cancel is simply to Jump back to the stage as soon as you can. Just keep in mind that if you're at the corner of the top of the screen (instead of lower) you can trigger the KO if you Jump. In this case you'll want to replace Jumping with something else for the momentum cancel (such as the Hammer).
 

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You were asleep already (kind of). I saved them because I keep forgetting to get videos of my non-Oli characters in singles.

Now that I think about it, I never even post videos in the Olimar video thread. :<
 

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I watched one (didn't have that much time to watch 'em all :ohwell:). You seemed to stale your F-smash early and you did D-air a bit too much. Yeah it kinda worked-ish but lots of things can work in doubles that can't work in singles. You seemed to grasp the concept of Kirby's B-air, that's good. Although, you could stand to use your tilts a bit more, they come out quick. I hate the Olimar matchup. >_> Nothing but Side-B's. C-stick spam and pivot grabs. Ah-hem. hmm, do you have any videos of you 1on1?

Edit:
Add some of ChuDatz videos to the OP! :bee:

MLG DC '10 ChuDat (Kirby) Vs. Esam (Pikachu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVDaYvyvd7M

Chudat (Kirby) vs PinkFresh (Lucas) 2 @ OVER 9000!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8iv2YdS7WI

Apex 2010 : Pools : Kirby [ChuDat] vs Peach [Praxis]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CgSDl26NdU

Apex 2010 : Pools : Kirby [ChuDat] vs Marth & G&W [Drock]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iItstxdM5UM
 

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More Chudat... ^__________^

ChuDat (Kirby) vs Ch33s3 (MetaKnight/IC) R2 Pool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYR_GZiLJ94
^^Also, first time I see Chu Vs. IC's! 'Nd first time I see Chu... eh I won't spoil it. WATCH!!!^^

ChuDat (Kirby) vs NOID (Samus) R2 Pool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RqAk4qrgs8
@8:05: Hmm... something to discuss? :ohwell:

ChuDat (Kirby) vs BengalsRZ (Marth) R2 Pool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WSpSzy0Adc

NickRiddle (Zero Suit Samus) vs ChuDat (Kirby) LB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9pcOXsxqZY

All from Pound V
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12232137

Of which should be added to Chu's tournament listings if it wasn't already. 13/100+ woooow! Go Kirby!!

Also, in general, I see Chu using Nair more. As in like once a match more. :laugh:
 

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I'll make one post now featuring most of my matches with Kirby. These are all tourney or money matches.

Vs JMo MK
Vs JMo MK 2

Vs Swordgard's Snake
Vs Swordgard's Snake 2
Vs Swordgard's Snake 3

Vs Stroumbert's Falco
Vs Stroumbert's Falco 2
Vs Stroumbert's Falco 3

Vs Phiddlesticks Bowser
Vs Phiddlesticks Bowser 2
Third Match I went ROB instead.

Vs Illiad's Marth
Vs Illiad's Marth
Vs Illiad's Marth

Don't need to comment on this set because I knew what I did wrong... I was playing stupid haha.

Vs Stroumberts Falcon
Vs Stroumberts Falcon 2
Vs Stroumberts Falcon 3

Do you guys accept doubles also?

I got A LOT of friendlies but I won't post them here unless I need to.
 

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