But I've got a little something else. I found that a nice way to ledge stall or ledge hog is to let go of the edge and then jump and immediately up-b. It grabs onto the ledge again much faster than just dropping and jumping, and if they manage to grab the edge trying to edgehog you or recovering, you're in WoI, so you can just fly back onto the field. It would suck to be hit out of it though, since you lose your wings and fall to your death. Nonetheless, it would be awesome against recoveries that don't have hitboxes or at least reliable ones on their recovery (Lucario, Snake, Pit, D3, Jiggly, and all tether recoveries). Could also be used for ledge stalling, but I'd be scared of being hit out of it.