The Captain Falcon Q&A Thread

[Player-3]

teluoborg, it would take more than 4 frames to initiate dash

iirc, its like 5 frames for a dash to start?


and i don't have a wii, so frame data is pretty important to me

MAYBE you can do it but it'd be crazy hard

 

[lordhelmet]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234915
Falcon's pivot grab is frame 16. And when air releasing anyone you have an advantage of 20 frames so technically it's possible.

Also the hitbox of pivot grab seems way higher than standing grab, so high it makes Wario teleport into your hand when you grab him from a GR.
So I'd want you to test it before saying it's impossible.

I thought it was 30, Ness and Lucas with 40.

It may be possible but you have to consider the time it takes to dash.

 

[teluoborg]

P3 it doesn't matter how many frames it takes to start a dash because you cancel it into a pivot grab instantaneously.

Maybe I should make a video for you people to see it better.

 

[Player-3]

out of a RUN you can

not a dash

 

[Zatchiel]

This.
If you try to Pivot Grab out of a standard Dash animation, you'll just Dash-Dance > Dash-Grab, since your Dash frames haven't depleted; You can't Pivot from initial dash animation, no matter how long it is.

 

[teluoborg]

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudes, you should seriously try before talking...


Look at this and tell me that Bowser isn't instant pivot grabbing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeOvN3LtlKI
Bowser's pivot grab is 9 frames, and by ground releasing he has a 10-11 frame advantage.

And I can't record a replay but look at this.


So yes, needs more testing before dissing.

 

[Zeallyx]

Teluoborg>everyone, atm.

 

[Player-3]

i don't get the picture


and i wasn't dissing i was expressing concern b/c as far as i know there's no way that it would work b/c wario could jump + airdodge


and the bowser is true pivoting not just pivot grabbing


i'm not sure if falcon CAN true pivot, but if he can then yes this is most likely PLAUSIBLE (maybe)

 

[mlorenzo]

you can also grab release and walk and regrab wario but the only way he can escape it is ding foward. So if they dont di foward u have a chain grab. But if they cant escape the pivot grab this is going to be awesome.

 

[teluoborg]

P3 true pivoting is just dash backward + instant pivot grab (forward). So yes Falcon can do it as much as anyone.

And the picture shows the horizontal distance from where Wario gets grabbed (before snapping right into Falcon's hand).
It doesn't show the real (horizontal+vertical) distance because Wario is higher before getting grabbed (normally you grab his foot).

It's hard to describe precisely, I guess I'll send Lordy a replay to upload.

Also, the only thing I'm not sure right now is if Wario can jump out of it.

 

[Player-3]

yeah that's a true pivot but some characters can't do it because they just dash dance grab

 

[Willz]

**** yeah teluoborg ftw

 

[Player-3]

teluoborg it most definently doesn't work


p1 is here and he mashed jump and could jump out easily


but if wario doesn't have his second jump, then yes you can infinite him

 

[teluoborg]

Ohshi-

Well thar's Falcon for ya, having lame tricks that work on ignorant opponents.

Thanks for testing.

 

[Player-3]

it looks pretty **** cool though

 

[Zeallyx]

teluoborg it most definently doesn't work


p1 is here and he mashed jump and could jump out easily


but if wario doesn't have his second jump, then yes you can infinite him

Which we already could, when he lacks a second jump. =/

Too bad. Good job, though, teluoborg.

 

[Darky-Sama]

Punish him while he's landing then? It's not too situational. Unlikely, but not difficult. That'll eliminate the option of him having a second jump. Then that brings to me ask: can he buffer a bike to get out of it?

Nice job, btw.

 

[Player-3]

no darky

 

[mlorenzo]

trying the wario i figure out that you can fastfall nair >> air release donkey kong >> and knee. It needs more testing. So far it works with cpu and it shows in training mode to be a combo and it can be follow with a regrab instead of a knee. Another follow up is air release in the ledge to raptor boost. Is showing as a combo too.

 

[lordhelmet]

trying the wario i figure out that you can fastfall nair >> air release donkey kong >> and knee. It needs more testing. So far it works with cpu and it shows in training mode to be a combo and it can be follow with a regrab instead of a knee. Another follow up is air release in the ledge to raptor boost. Is showing as a combo too.

oo sweet. I never thought about using FH Nair to force air releases other than for the PS1 wall infinite.

 

[Zatchiel]

What do we have on MK out of Air Release besides CG?

Edit: Nvm, read the thread.

 

[lordhelmet]

How come no one thought about grab release>dair Wario at the ledge? Just saw it in Cruel's CV

 

[Player-3]

it's obvious..........

 

[teluoborg]

Why wouldn't he SDI ? Or meteor cancel ?

If he's at a percent where he can't meteor cancel, and you grabbed him at the ledge just knee. More damage, more killing potential and more awesome.

 

[Zeallyx]

How come no one thought about grab release>dair Wario at the ledge? Just saw it in Cruel's CV

I posted that over a year ago.

 

[Willz]

no one thought of doing GR > dair at ledge? wat lordy? I been doing that for ages ALL CUZ OF 2KNEE!!!!! <333

 

[lordhelmet]

Well I don't remember it xD

If he's not at Knee KO % (or you staled it for some reason) then dair could suffice

 

[Zeallyx]

no one thought of doing GR > dair at ledge? wat lordy? I been doing that for ages ALL CUZ OF 2KNEE!!!!! <333

I ****ing hate you.
At least, your internet persona.

 

[Yung Mei]

uhh, which stages are good choices against a zero suit samus?

 

[Zatchiel]

uhh, which stages are good choices against a zero suit samus?

CP:

1. Castle Siege
2. Delfino
3. PS1

Ban

1. RC
2. FD

For more info than this you might want to read up on the thread.

 

[Darky-Sama]

I main ZSS, so I'll just go ahead and recommend that you ban Battlefield and Final Destination. There's very few stages that limit a good ZSS. She doesn't have many disadvantages unless you want to consider her tether recovery not being able to latch to some stages like Frigate and Rainbow Cruise -- but those two are my best stages, so I dunno.

You should just take her to whatever stage you feel most comfortable with. Battlefield, she's one of the only character that have better platform control options than Falcon, so I wouldn't recommend taking her there. Final Destination, it's difficult getting an edge on ZSS so a large stage wouldn't benefit you too much.

Lylat Cruise maybe? It's suppose to be good for her, but that's my worst stage. I dunno about other ZSS mains, but it's terrible for me.

 

[lordhelmet]

Castle Siege?

 

[Darky-Sama]

ZSS can either dash attack string or buffer fthrow string you off the second part of the stage.

She can grab release Meta Knight off it too. lulz.

 

[Yung Mei]

For more info than this you might want to read up on the thread.

I main ZSS, so I'll just go ahead and recommend that you ban Battlefield and Final Destination. There's very few stages that limit a good ZSS. She doesn't have many disadvantages unless you want to consider her tether recovery not being able to latch to some stages like Frigate and Rainbow Cruise -- but those two are my best stages, so I dunno.

You should just take her to whatever stage you feel most comfortable with. Battlefield, she's one of the only character that have better platform control options than Falcon, so I wouldn't recommend taking her there. Final Destination, it's difficult getting an edge on ZSS so a large stage wouldn't benefit you too much.

Lylat Cruise maybe? It's suppose to be good for her, but that's my worst stage. I dunno about other ZSS mains, but it's terrible for me.

Castle Siege?

ZSS can either dash attack string or buffer fthrow string you off the second part of the stage.

She can grab release Meta Knight off it too. lulz.

ok thanks guys i appreciate it

what about Brinstar, does she do any good there?

 

[Darky-Sama]

Yeah, she's really, really good there. I actually like downsmash -> footstool with her when the lava is coming up. She can just keep comboing in ridiculous ways there. It's a nice stage for Falcon too, but ZSS is a terrorist there.

 

[Player-3]

Ban



ps1

 

[Yung Mei]

another question


Who does falcon's jab cancel work best against?


well, this kind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gn-3wPyLkA#t=2m57s



i tried it on zelda, it works pretty alright because of her light weight i guess

 

[Zatchiel]

Anybody, i don't think there is a bess, but if so, it'd be mainly fast-fallers, but if you can jab it, you can do it.

 

[lordhelmet]

It works on Zelda because she sucks and has no fast attacks

 

[teluoborg]

Everybody who doesn't know how to SDI will have a hard time.