The Brawlplusery - Brawl+ Codeset - Updated 3rd April

[goodoldganon]

It would have to be an understood rule at tournaments is what Malk is getting at IMO. I just want them gone so Samus and ZSS can switch between forms quickly, but not spawn the powerful parts.

 

[shanus]

Nice NC-Echo, glad to see you testing 3.1. Looking forward to more of your inputs.

 

[Revven]

Wait, why does the parts need to go away? Just throw them off.

Not everybody that plays ZSS do this. I know when I used to play ZSS in vBrawl I would abuse the armor that came off and throw it at my friends in the most gay ways. I can see how this would be even worse in B+ and overall they should just be gone + it might take less time to load ZSS.

 

[cAm8ooo]

I was actually referring to the opponent getting a hold of them and throwing them off. Their pretty dang good but they dont last thaat long. I just recently played ZSS last night. One of the first times ive ever actually played with her to be honest (yea, stupid i know) She's pretty dang fun and her combos r sexy as hell.

 

[stingers]

ZSS armor parts are broken coming from a former ZSS main

Really just chain a ton of uairs and finish with an armor piece at 70%, it's broken as all hell and it needs to be nerfed. I doubt anyone will question that ZSS and MK are the top 2 in the game, ZSS might be ahead of MK with all the nerfs he's been getting recently but there are still a ****load of balance issues to iron out.

 

[Malk]

Nice NC-Echo, glad to see you testing 3.1. Looking forward to more of your inputs.

Yea I am actually running a tournament with my roommate this next Saturday and we are gonna be having a singles brawl+ tourney with 3.1. I'm gonna record as much as possible and we are likely gonna have anywhere from 40 to 50 entrants. It should be really good for testing.

 

[stingers]

LOL Bill stop lying

40-50 entrants my ***

 

[Malk]

LOL Bill stop lying

40-50 entrants my ***

We have 45 people at the last billfest

 

[stingers]

I forgot this Brawl+ thing was free. Nevermind then.

You're gonna need to have a TV in the kitchen + TVs outside. There were just not enough TVs last time.

 

[Malk]

I forgot this Brawl+ thing was free. Nevermind then.

You're gonna need to have a TV in the kitchen + TVs outside. There were just not enough TVs last time.

That is already the plan. We think we can fit in about 13 or 14 with good organization.

 

[The Cape]

Stingers and NC-Echo.

I will be down your way on March 6-7th. Need a place to stay and smash. Any options?

 

[stingers]

March 6th and 7th? Why then? That's an odd time, H.E.R.B isn't until 3/21 (and that's gonna be huge btw, hope you're there for that)

NC-Echo will probably let you stay at his apartment, PM him. I can't provide housing, sorry

 

[Malk]

Stingers and NC-Echo.

I will be down your way on March 6-7th. Need a place to stay and smash. Any options?

I'm definitely cool with it if my roommate is (Lord Karn). Ill check with him.

 

[plasmatorture]

It's funny, a month or so again when I mentioned ZSS's armor pieces being a potential problem people by and large called me crazy.

I don't think they're a big deal anymore but I could go either way.

 

[stingers]

ZSS needs to be nerfed just as much as MK does.

Taking away her Armor pieces would be just enough to make her balanced. Her Uair is still broken but taking away that AND the armor pieces would be too much.

 

[goodoldganon]

When did ZSS sneak under the radar and become OP? Mind telling us what she has or can do that's so good?

 

[stingers]

Hahaha ZSS has been good ever since Hitstun was added.

* She has a tether recovery (thus, ASL) but enough options that she will never be gimped, something no other character in Brawl+ can claim.
* Can chain Uairs without the opponent being able to do anything (which isn't broken by itself)...but then bring them back down with an Up B and continue. She has enough infinites to make SSB64 Kirby cry.
* Armor Pieces and Side B give her way too much killing potential. Side B is probably one of the best killers in the game because of no more Diminishing Returns. AND, you can chain Side B's together. Even at like 90%.

I eventually quit using her because she's just too good. It made the game very unfun.

 

[Blank Mauser]

She chains Uairs really well, her Dsmash can edgeguard and possibly lead into KO's, tether recovery makes her edgeguarding pretty beast in general, she also recovers well because of this too, her tilts and dash attack combo well sometimes comboing into Dsmash, after up-B (Which can start after Dsmash) she can now techchase with both, and she doesn't get combo'd as well. I don't even use her much but I can already see good things just from that.

I don't know if shes MK level just sayin.

 

[goodoldganon]

Hmmmm, wonder what others think about ZSS. I'll try and play more with her these next few days.

 

[cAm8ooo]

I wouldnt say broken. But she is very very good. One of the best in the game no doubt. I used her for literally like one of the first times ever and after about 2 games i had pulled off a sexy 0-death. This was against the computer tho which, quite frankly isnt too hard to combo with their horrible DI.

I dont know enough about her or have the experience to say whether or not she needs a buff or nerf tho.

 

[stingers]

I have experience with her and she needs to be nerfed.

Get rid of armor pieces or give her uair more lag at the end. Either one should be good, but not both.

 

[~tgm_Zeej]

The armor parts are actually pretty ridiculous.

I have basic skills with Zamus, and even I switched to her when I was up a stock as Samus to get the last kill.

Between glide tossing the armor pieces and her forward special, she's got a lot of spacing options that also happen to be kill moves.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

nvmmmm
10char

 

[Malk]

I have experience with her and she needs to be nerfed.

Get rid of armor pieces or give her uair more lag at the end. Either one should be good, but not both.

Getting rid of the armor pieces alone will not balance her. Honestly I think her u-air needs a nerf more than anything else and I think both things need to happen to balance her fully.

 

[The Cape]

Why nerf a character that doesnt need it?

Zero Suit getting rid of the armor pieces is a good way to do it, but the character is no more ridiculous that the other A tiers.

 

[Problem2]

I wouldn't get rid of her armor parts. New players coming will notice armor parts missing more than a combo that they never could do in Vanilla Brawl. Also, leaving the armor pieces in generates more varied situations and gameplay. After all, the opponent is capable of grabbing the items. You have to learn this to beat Diddy, so the same should apply to Zero Suit.

 

[Malk]

Stingers and NC-Echo.

I will be down your way on March 6-7th. Need a place to stay and smash. Any options?

Checked with Lord Karn, he is cool with it.

 

[Adapt]

I find this all fuss about ZSS being OP really amusing, and really... what did you expect? ZSS is one of the few that can get 50+% combos in regular brawl.

I don't play brawl+ but I have a few suggestions. I tried it out a couple days ago, and She was missing some of the familiar feel to her that I enjoy. I like ZSS because she is unique, Brawl+ seems to be taking away everything that makes her unique. Don't take away the armor. Also, give her her stun game back. Her neutral b is useless now, and d-smash is pretty crappy at low percentages.
Instead, nerf her uair by increasing it's base knockback and maybe lowering hitstun. I say this because her other aerials are fairly slow, and she won't really flow that well if you slow it down too much. I would rather see you nerf her uair than take away the very things that make her unique and interesting. (the way her moves flow together is something else she has that I like alot)

 

[Malk]

I find this all fuss about ZSS being OP really amusing, and really... what did you expect? ZSS is one of the few that can get 50+% combos in regular brawl.

I don't play brawl+ but I have a few suggestions. I tried it out a couple days ago, and She was missing some of the familiar feel to her that I enjoy. I like ZSS because she is unique, Brawl+ seems to be taking away everything that makes her unique. Don't take away the armor. Also, give her her stun game back. Her neutral b is useless now, and d-smash is pretty crappy at low percentages.
Instead, nerf her uair by increasing it's base knockback and maybe lowering hitstun. I say this because her other aerials are fairly slow, and she won't really flow that well if you slow it down too much. I would rather see you nerf her uair than take away the very things that make her unique and interesting. (the way her moves flow together is something else she has that I like alot)

To a certain extent I agree with you but if suit parts stay in they need a nerf. With combos how they are in this game it just becomes to easy to get a kill with a well times part.

 

[Adapt]

To a certain extent I agree with you but if suit parts stay in they need a nerf. With combos how they are in this game it just becomes to easy to get a kill with a well times part.

Ok, lower their knockback growth rate or something. Don't get rid of them

 

[shanus]

I find this all fuss about ZSS being OP really amusing, and really... what did you expect? ZSS is one of the few that can get 50+% combos in regular brawl.

I don't play brawl+ but I have a few suggestions. I tried it out a couple days ago, and She was missing some of the familiar feel to her that I enjoy. I like ZSS because she is unique, Brawl+ seems to be taking away everything that makes her unique. Don't take away the armor. Also, give her her stun game back. Her neutral b is useless now, and d-smash is pretty crappy at low percentages.
Instead, nerf her uair by increasing it's base knockback and maybe lowering hitstun. I say this because her other aerials are fairly slow, and she won't really flow that well if you slow it down too much. I would rather see you nerf her uair than take away the very things that make her unique and interesting. (the way her moves flow together is something else she has that I like alot)

As we mentioned before, there is a code to do a staggered hitlag at 50% on the attacker and 60% on the opponent so that her stuns arent useless. I think it may have some bugs but when fixed its definitely worth putting back in.

 

[The Cape]

Checked with Lord Karn, he is cool with it.

PM me with the details if you would please (POC, location, etc)

The reason I am coming this weekend is because I have to report to Army training on March 8th in Columbus GA. Gonna hit you guys up on my way down to alleviate the trip.

 

[kupo15]

where is the b2 chart?

 

[ph00tbag]

I don't play brawl+ but I have a few suggestions. I tried it out a couple days ago, and She was missing some of the familiar feel to her that I enjoy. I like ZSS because she is unique, Brawl+ seems to be taking away everything that makes her unique. Don't take away the armor. Also, give her her stun game back. Her neutral b is useless now, and d-smash is pretty crappy at low percentages.

I used to feel the way you do about dsmash, but I've started figuring out other options that are really good, like dtilt, grab and dash attack. I agree wholeheartedly on Paralyzer though. In vanilla Brawl, the first hitbox comes out on frame 21, and you have 19 frames of cool-down. There are 21 frames of hitlag on the move. Do the math, that gives you 2 frames to do something if you hit someone who's directly in front of you. Now, you have a -5 frame disadvantage if you hit someone with the move. FYI, just about anyone in the game has a jab under three frames, and just about all jabs are legit combos now.

If you guys want to nerf the character, then make sure you pay attention to the things you've already nerfed.

I'll also say that the suit pieces will do nothing to nerf her. Sure, take them away, but that'll just force her to play offensively from the beginning, rather than camp with the pieces, and camping them is easier said than done to begin with. It won't really change her that much, in fact, it may even make it easier on ZSS mains.

Increasing the knockback on uair might work. Be wary that uair is also one of her best KO moves, and buffing that will only make it more useful in that regard. You might also want to raise the knockback on dash attack, because that one will combo into a whole mess of things now.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

dunno anything about ZSS but i'm all for unhomogenizing the gameplay of the characters. i like her stun game; it's unique and fun.

 

[shanus]

would her paralyzer be better if we sped up its end lag instead of having to change the hitlag modifier?

 

[Pyrostormer]

youd have to speed it up a lot to be useful. more then would be healthy. I'd just change the hitlag modifier.

i don't support raising the knockback of uair, that will just make it more versatile then it already is. however, increasing the ending lag on uair makes sense and also helps to balance her character. she can't chain uairs forever now and all increasing the knockback would do is make it easier to combo with up-b PLUS give her even more killing options. she doesn't need more killing options. I realize the goal of this project is to give out far more buffs then nerfs but you can't hesitate to give nerfs where they are needed.

as a former zss main i can tell you that she needs this nerf so that she can be a balanced competitive character.

edit: this is stingers dammit i need to log out of this account

 

[goodoldganon]

I opened up a topic on the other forum if we want to carry discussion on over there.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

can you guys use JUMP speed and not jump start? all jump start does is make short hops harder to do.

 

[goodoldganon]

can you guys use JUMP speed and not jump start? all jump start does is make short hops harder to do.

This. I never liked the jump code.