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The Brawlplusery - Brawl+ Codeset - Updated 3rd April

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Almas

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Okay. There's been talk going around, and I thought I'd confirm - MLG_JV was kind enough to set us up with a private board for the discussion of Brawl+. We felt this board was necessary, given the huge range of options that are available with softmodded Brawl codes - without some form of authority, it will be hard for everyone to agree on what to do. As such, the Brawlplusery contains many of the key competitive players who have shown an interest in the Brawl+ project, all eagerly bickering about how to best improve the game. Out of courtesy I won't mention them by name, but I'm sure if they want to they will present themselves.

I'd like to mention that we're trying to keep a keen eye for people who would contribute to the board - as it is membership is extremely exclusive, so I wouldn't feel disheartened if we haven't talked to you. As such there is no 'application' process, but if we see you posting in an informed, competitive (and preferably not inflammatory) manner, I'm sure we'll pick up on you eventually. We are still actively discussing who to invite - specifically people who have experience with characters we are less knowledgeable about.

Since it's creation we've made a lot of progress on creating a more standardised codeset which we believe most of you will enjoy. The production of character specific codes allows us to make every character feel truly natural and unique - taking away Brawl's floatiness for characters like Fox, while maintaining the 'bubbly' feeling that characters like King Dedede and Jigglypuff deserve.

Of course - we'd like everyone's opinion on this codeset. While we are trying to produce the most competitive set available, this is still a community project. Everyone's opinion should be considered, and will be provided that they can present their points in a structured, comprehensible manner. If you have any comments on how you think we could improve our current set, then either post it here, or send it in a PM to myself, and I'll make sure that it is given the attention it deserves.

I'd like to request that this thread remain devoid of discussion about the validity of Brawl+ as a project, or fill up with requests as to codes you think should be produced - especially if they are not of a truly competitive nature. There are already threads which handle these subjects, and these topics should be taken there. Rather, it'd be nice to know what people think of the current modifications in effect, and how they could best be tweaked to make every character natural, enjoyable and balanced.

Thanks to everyone involved in the Brawl+ project - here's the first codeset produced by the Brawlplusery. I hope you enjoy it!
 

Almas

Smash Lord
Joined
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Messages
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American Codeset: 3rd April 2009, Version 4.0 Beta.

Link to a Download Page
Link to SD loader GCT
Link to Offline Play GCT
Link to Online Play GCT

Place the SD Loader code in the /codes/ folder of your SD card.
Place the Codeset GCT in the /private/wii/APP/RSBE/pf folder of your SD card (create it if it does not already exist).

Code:
RSBE01
Smash Bros Brawl (US)

Brawlplusery Codeset vs.4.0 Beta

WiiRD Codes

Default Settings Modifier [9 lines]
24494A98 80000000
20523300 00000000
04523300 DEADBEEF
42000000 90000000
0417F360 00000104
0417F364 04020A00
0417F368 08010101
0417F36C 01000000
E0000000 80008000

Level Freezer[Phantom Wings/Almas, 8 Lines]
42000000 90000000
0416A904 00000000
2A180F3A 00000015
0416A904 3F240000
2A180F3A 00000031
0416A904 BF800000
2A180F3A 00000014
2A180F3A 0000001C
0416A904 3F800000
E0000000 80008000

Deadlands
4A000000 90180F3A
38000000 FF000004
48000000 805B8ADC
DE000000 80008180
1400020C 4F000000
3000024C 00000000
1400024C 01010101
3000024D 03030303
1400024C 00000000
E2000001 00000000
14000250 41C00000
14000254 41C00000
1400025C C1C00000
14000260 41C00000
90010000 00000000
58010000 FFFFFDF0
10000150 00000007
14000154 4F000000
4A001000 00000000
58010000 FFFFFDFC
10000150 00000007
14000154 4F000000
E0000000 80008000

ASM Codes

Dash Dancing [Phantom Wings, 5 Lines]
C271F474 00000004
81830058 2C0C000E
4182000C C0230040
48000008 FC20D090
60000000 00000000

Ignore Handicap [Y.S.]
04050550 38000000

Buffer scale = Handicap scale [Y.S, Phantom Wings]
C285B784 00000006
807F002C 3C809018
806300F4 60840FDC
1C63005C 7C83202E
3860000A 2C040064
40800008 7C641BD6
60000000 00000000

Shieldstun [spunit262, 6 Lines]
C28753FC 00000005
83810034 8083013C
2C040000 41810014
1F9C000A 3B9C0014
38800005 7F9C23D6
60000000 00000000

Sheild to allow Swap V1.1 [Y.S., Phantom Wings, spunit262]
C2816B1C 0000000C
7FA4EB78 88A3000A
54A61838 7CC33214
80C60034 80C60060
80C60068 80C60074
70C00008 40A20034
80E30030 2C07001F
41A10028 2C070003
4182001C 2C070018
41820014 2C07001C
41A00010 2C170115
41820008 7CA42B78
60000000 00000000

No Autosweetspot Ledges [spunit262, 7 Lines]
C27812B0 00000006
2C04000A 40A20020
8181003C 816C0018
C00B0010 C02B001C
FC000840 40A10008
38000000 5400CFFF
60000000 00000000

Launch Power Modifier [Almas, 28 Lines]
C285765C 0000001B
3BE2FF7C 2C002F00
4082000C C3E2FFA4
480000BC 2C002F20
4082000C 38A3C594
48000034 2C002F14
4082000C 38A3C5A0
48000024 2C002F40
4082000C 38A3C574
48000014 2C002F5C
41820008 4E800020
38A3C558 80850010
2C040017 4082000C
38800003 48000008
80850000 3BA2FEDC
87DD0004 57C5463E
7C052000 41820010
7C1DF800 4082FFEC
4E800020 2C002F20
4082000C 57C0673E
48000028 2C002F14
4082000C 57C0873E
48000018 2C002F40
4082000C 57C0C73E
48000008 57C0A73E
1C000004 7FFF0214
C3FF0000 EC3F0072
4E800020 00000000

Grav Values Modifier [Almas, 16 Lines]
C281CAD0 00000014
3802FF7C 2C080000
40800090 3982FEDC
8088F5B0 2C040017
4082000C 38800003
48000008 8088F5A0
2C040016 40820024
38627000 38634CB8
2C170117 4182000C
7C171800 4082000C
C2EC00D4 48000048
2C09FFFF 40820014
2C040002 4082000C
C2EC00A8 48000030
84AC0004 54A3463E
7C032000 41820010
7C0C0000 4082FFEC
4E800020 54A5E73E
1CA50004 7D802A14
C2EC0000 EC370072
4E800020 00000000

Character ID Fix [spunit262, 3 Lines]
C28152E4 00000002
819E003C 907EFFFC
60000000 00000000

Frame Speed Mod Engine V3.1 [spunit262, Phantom Wings]
C2766C20 00000012
3C008180 807D0008
8063FFFC 7C030000
4080000C 80630030
48000008 386000FF
809D0014 C0240040
FC40081E 81240058
61298000 D8410008
8001000C 80BD007C
80A50038 38C200D8
84E60008 2C070000
41820038 7CE8C671
41A0000C 7C081800
4082FFE8 54E8863E
7C004000 41A0FFDC
54E8043E 7C082800
4182000C 7C084800
4082FFC8 C0060004
D01F0010 00000000
C2766FB8 00000003
2C1D0001 4182000C
C0230010 48000008
C02283C8 00000000

Hitbox Property Mod Engine [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
C2744A3C 00000017
3C008180 80FC0028
81070008 8108FFFC
7C080000 40800098
81080030 80DE0020
5106C00E 801E0000
5006821E 801E0018
5006442E 80E7007C
80E70038 813E0030
5127C0CE 801E0014
50076226 390204CC
85480014 81680004
7D405B79 41820050
7C0A3000 4082FFEC
7C0B3800 4082FFE4
88080008 90030004
88080009 9003001C
8808000A 90030024
8808000B 500906FE
91230034 A008000C
90030018 80080010
2C00FFFF 41820008
90030038 7F83E378
60000000 00000000

Hitlag Modifier [Phantom Wings/Almas/spunit262, 10 Lines]
C2771EAC 00000004
2C040002 41800010
1C840007 38840000
39C0000A 7C8473D6
2C040000 00000000
C2876220 00000004
2C040002 41800010
1C840007 38840000
39C0000A 7C8473D6
80660064 00000000

Electric Hitlag Constant:[Phantom Wings]
04B87B10 3F800000

Momentum Capture V4.3 [Phantom wings, spunit262]
C28669D8 00000013
3C008180 809D0008
8084FFFC 7C040000
4080000C 80840030
48000008 3880FFFF
807D007C A0E30006
80630038 2C03000B
40A20044 3C004540
901B000C C05B000C
38A2FE5C 84C50004
7CC0C671 4180000C
7C002000 4082FFF0
54C0027E 6C004540
901B000C C01B000C
FC001028 C03B0008
FC210032 2C030022
41800014 2C04002F
40A20010 2C070112
41A00008 D03B0008
60000000 00000000
C277F794 00000002
801E0034 B01E0006
801E0048 00000000

Dash Cancel V2.1 [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
C2764EBC 00000007
90810014 54846CFE
2C0417E5 41A00024
809EFFFC 80A4007C
80A50038 2C050005
40A20010 3C004F00
80840014 90040040
60000000 00000000

Shield during Dashdance [spunit262/Phantom Wings, 6 Lines]
C2764F38 00000005
8081009C 80A4007C
80A50038 2C050003
40A20010 3C004F00
80840014 90040040
60600008 00000000

Tech Window v.05  [spunit262]
C277F190 00000012
80810010 2C040046
41A00080 2C04004C
41A10078 80BF0068
88C5008F 2C06000F
41A10068 88E5008E
7CC63A14 2C060032
41800058 2C040049
41820050 41A00008
3884FFFC 3884FFBA
5484083C 38840060
2C040062 41810030
41820010 80C50038
54C66D3E 48000014
80E50074 50E4EFFE
80C5003C 7CC69E70
2C0607E5 41A00008
60840001 90810010
60000000 00000000
C2765394 00000005
88C30058 2C060032
41A10014 7C060214
2C0000FF 41800008
380000FE 98030058
60000000 00000000

Constants

Jump/Grav Values [29 Lines]
065A9200 000000E0
0025CB60 0114F440
0245CA40 0325EB40
0465CB40 05448440
0626AC80 0744A440
0834C440 0926AC80
0A44C440 0B33C530
0C35CB60 0D24C440
0E35CA60 0F06E840
1145CB60 12448440
1326AC80 14568440
1544C440 1624E830
1745C850 1824C640
1935CB60 1A44C440
1B35CA60 1D45CA30
1E26E640 1F55C640
2045A340 2125CB60
22468550 2345CA60
2534E440 2944EA40
2C55C180 2E36CB60
2F34ED40 3F4CCCCD
3F59999A 3F666666
3F733333 3F800000
3F833333 3F866666
3F89999A 3F8CCCCD
3F900000 3F933333
3F966666 3F99999A
3FA00000 3FA66666
3FB33333 3ECCCCCC

Frame Speed Modifier Data [54 Lines]
065A9400 000001A0
00080029 3FAA3D70
00008063 3F8CCCCC
01000040 3F2AAAAA
02000018 4036DB61
02100034 3FC00000
03190125 40000000
03140123 40000000
03190034 3FCCCCCC
0400001C 40000000
04140034 3FC00000
0516002C 3F999999
07148075 3F333333
09000018 40200000
0A000040 3FAAAAAA
0B00003B 3F5E9BD3
0B0D0028 3FC00000
0B000018 40200000
0B000027 3F999999
0B000019 3FAAAAAB
0D000027 3F999999
1200806B 3F800000
120E002F 3F266666
14140118 3FA00000
141C0024 40400000
14140024 3F000000
14000024 40600000
14108063 3F800000
140F8063 3E800000
14008068 40200000
1600002F 3F59999A
1A000040 3FAAAAAA
1A080034 3FC00000
1A000028 3FACCCCC
1D140027 3FE00000
1E00003B 3F777777
1F0C8066 40000000
1F0A0113 3FC00000
1F000018 40555555
1F100034 3F999999
221D8062 40000000
2300002F 3F266666
2304002F 3F800000
25000041 3FD11111
29100034 3FC00000
2F00011C 40000000
2F000119 40000000
FF000018 40000000
FF000074 40800000
FF000061 3FA66666
FF000041 3FD55555
FF00000A 3FA66666
FF0E0054 40A00000

Hitbox Property Mod Data [Phantom Wings, spunit262] 81 lines
065A9800 00000280
02094844 02169118
09484402 00100000
FFFFFFFF 02095037
02169118 09503702
00100000 FFFFFFFF
02075037 02169118
07503702 00100000
FFFFFFFF 02075014
02169118 07501402
00100000 FFFFFFFF
020F5A19 0216902C
0F5A1902 00190000
FFFFFFFF 020E5A19
0216902C 0E5A1902
00190000 FFFFFFFF
020C325A 02050029
0C324002 01180000
06200000 02055014
02169118 05501402
00100000 FFFFFFFF
020C4844 02169118
0C485502 01690000
FFFFFFFF 0309500A
00169033 09781600
01690000 FFFFFFFF
030D6414 0016902C
0D5A3800 01690000
FFFFFFFF 09065023
00169033 135D1E03
00200000 85A00000
09073464 05050118
072B5605 00500000
FFFFFFFF 0B175119
0016902C 175A3205
01690000 FFFFFFFF
0B0F5319 02023033
0F531902 00140000
FFFFFFFF 0E096C00
0001E033 09870000
001E0000 FFFFFFFF
0E056414 0005A027
05213F00 005A0000
FFFFFFFF 140B641E
13041114 0B643213
002D0000 FFFFFFFF
16093C5A 0201E11D
09643702 001E0000
FFFFFFFF 160B5D32
0216902F 0B501E02
01690000 FFFFFFFF
160D5A32 0216902F
0D501E02 01690000
FFFFFFFF 16036400
02062033 00000001
00620000 FFFFFFFF
16036400 0205A033
00000001 005A0000
FFFFFFFF 1E06641E
00056028 06642800
00560000 FFFFFFFF
2106822B 15060028
06823215 00600000
FFFFFFFF 23065037
0005A028 06142800
005A0000 FFFFFFFF
23036400 0005A028
03142800 002D0000
FFFFFFFF 23036400
00069028 03142800
002D0000 FFFFFFFF
250F4B64 0E058115
1F327605 002D0000
8BA05276 2E07733C
00169024 075F2D00
01690000 FFFFFFFF
6619381E 03028008
19462003 00280000
FFFFFFFF 6F0A4128
05037000 0F502805
00280000 FFFFFFFF

Momentum Capture Data [5 Lines]
065A9180 00000020
07000D9A 21000C00
1A001333 20000B33
16000C00 2F001C00
1800119A FF000ECC

No Stale Moves [spunit262]
02FC0988 00130000

Tripping Rate Modifier [KirbyIsCool]
0481CB34 C0220020
045A9340 00000000

Triple Jump Glitch Fix [Phantom Wings/spunit262]
04858DCC 38830003

P.Trainer Infinite Stamina [Phantom Wings/spunit262]
04A8BDAC 60000000

Hitstun Modifier [Phantom Wings/spunit262]
02B88F48 00030001
04B87AA8 3EF91687

C-Stick Fastfalls Modifier [spunit262/Phantom Wings]
0485E27C 40A20008
0485E278 2C000001

Powershield window Modifier [spunit262]
04B88F20 00000002

Infinite Replays
040EB804 60000000

Tags in replays [Y.S]
0404B140 38A00000

Cosmetic Stuff

CSS fixes for Samus/ZSS and Zelda/Shiek V2 [spunit262] (6 Lines)
80693D50 38800004
06693D6C 00000008
38000000 3880000F
046900E8 60000000
04697F58 60000000
04697EEC 60000000

CSS fixes for Giga and Company V2 [spunit262] (10 Lines)
C2684940 00000002
9BB400B8 57BD06BE
2C1D001B 00000000
040AF8D4 546025B6
040AF964 546025B6
040AF830 546025B6
040AF528 546025B6
040AF810 546025B6
040AF880 546025B6
040AF848 546025B6

Yeroc's Custom CSS V3 [spunit262] [17 lines]
0668310C 00000030
387E006C 3B600000
3C808068 38840DE0
7CBB20AE 7CA50775
41800014 94A30004
3B7B0001 2C1B0032
4180FFE8 48000038
04690338 48000068
066900d8 00000008
2c170028 41820168
02680DE0 0022FFFF
06680DE0 00000029
00090D05 0C15011A
0A071325 1002240E
0F140B19 06161F03
04112108 23201B5D
5E5C2627 18171222
29000000 00000000

Custom Random V1 [spunit262] (10 Lines)
06685824 0000000C
3C608068 7C630214
88630E80 00000000
046857F0 3AE00028
06680E80 00000028
00090713 02141121
060C0D25 0A0E0F0B
19161505 03041824
011A1F08 23201B5D
5E5C1017 26271222
Code:
[B][U][CENTER]Brawl+ Plussery Official Set 4.0 Codes in effect:
[/CENTER][/U][/B] - Hitstun changed from Brawl Default 0.48 to 0.4865
 - Aerial Lag Reduction (ALR)
	-Most characters reduced to 50%
	-Captain Falcon reduced to 40%
	-Ivysaur reduced to 30%
	-Link reduced to 35%
 - Characters individual Short Hop, Full Hop, Fast–Fall, Down Gravity and Normal Gravity have been optimized (See chart below)
 - Characters retain momentum when performing a running jump (see chart below)
 - Individual Move Knockback, Knockback Growth, Damage, Damage Type, and Launch angle have been modified (see below)
 - Individual move frame speeds have been modified (see chart below)
 - Brawls teching system changed from distance to frame window: Tech window = 15 frames
 - Handicap no longer gives handicap, the value/10 equals your buffer frame window
 - Lagless Ledges (Constant 40800000)
 - Dash Dancing window has been improved
 - You can now Cancel a dash with a crouch
 - You can now shield during a dash dance
 - Shieldstun follows New Stun=(10*OLDSTUN+20)/5
 - Pokémon Trainer has Infinite Stamina and Pokemon no longer swap on death
 - Hold Shield to Swap Pokemon after death
 - Hitlag Modifier: NewHitLag=.7*OldHitlag
 - Electric Hitlag set to 1.0
 - Techrolls sped up 1.3x
 - No Autosweetspot Ledges during up B's
 - No Stale Moves
 - No Random Tripping
 - No C-Stick Fastfalls
 - Reversed levels (i.e. stage hazards / changes have been removed): 
		-Pokémon Stadium 2
		-Warioware
 - Luigi's mansion is now loaded without the mansion
 - Triple Jump Glitch is fixed
 - 2 Frame Powershield window instead of Brawls default of 4
 - Default Settings now set to 4 stock, team attack on, 8min
 - Nametags are now saved in replays
 - Infinite length replays
 - Custom Character Select Screen


[U]-Hitbox Code v1.1(BKB = Base Knockback, KBG=Knockback Gain)
[/U]	-Falcon: Reversable Knee
	-Falcon Raptor boost BKB set to 86, KBG set to 43
	-Jiggs: Rest BKB@118 from 100, Dmg Increased to 25, KBG to 50, 45 angle, fire
	-Sheik Ftilt: KBG@21 BKB@63 base (Orig: KBG@100 BKB: 20)
	-Sheik Fair BKB 0 from 0, KBG 135 from 108
	-Links Up+B First hitbox boosted BKB from 72 to 85
	-Link Up+B Semi spike angle changed from 269 to 16 for 2nd and 3rd hitbox and 4th hitbox
	-Link Dtilt will now always spike at 64 BKB from 90
	-Link Fsmash angle at 25 from 361
	-Samus Fsmash now provides KBG@90 and BKB@56  from  KBG@100 BKB@20
	-Samus nair (first hit), BKB to 22 from 10, KBG to 120 from 80
	-Samus Super missile – BKB 40 from 40, KBG 80 from 65, DMG 15 from 10, angle 40 from 55
	-Samus Chargeshot KBG 70 from 56, BKB 32 from 31
	-MK Downsmash both hitboxes KBG changed to 80 from 93, BKB changed to 30 from 40
	-MK Shuttle Loop BKB 55 and KBG 100, from 90 and 60
	-MK Fair outer hitbox on 1st and 2nd swipe now does nothing 
	-Snake third jab BKB 45 and KBG 95, original growth 115, original base 60
	-Bowser Fsmash final hitbox BKB 50 and KBG 90 and fire, original growth 81, BKB 22
	-Bowser Bair angle decreased to 20 from 35
	-Squirtle Utilt BKB increased to 40 from 31 
	-Lucario utilt BKB increased to 50 from 43
	-ROB utilt tweaked slightly to remove an infinite
	-ROB (trap hitbox) fixed to remove infinite
	-Ganon Up B (first hitbox) set to BKB at 50 from 31, Angle 45 from 65

[U]Frame Speed Modification[/U]
	-Grab Release Combos have been removed
	-Ganons jab frame 0: 3.5x, frame 20: .5x, frame 28: 3x
	-Ganondorfs sweetspot fair frame 15 extended 4x till frame 16 when it returns to 1x
	-Ganondorf fair ALR reduced to 40%
	-Ganon's choke is now techable, after hitbox sped up from 1.2x to 1.25x.
	-Bowser Utilt on frame 13, 1.5x faster
	-Bowser Ftilt 1.2x faster
	-Bowser ALR set to 40%
	-Bowser has 50% less lag on up+b landing
	-Bowser Grab Release set to 23 frames.
	-Yoshi exits shield at 2x
	-Charizard ftilt cooldown now 1.75x faster
	-Pika downthrow slowed to 70% 
 	-Zelda Ftilt 1.2x
	-Mario Dtilt speed up 1.33x after hitbox 
	-Mario fair 1.1x faster
	-Sonic Charged B 2x on exit, 2x on floor hit
	-Kirby F smash windsdown 1.2x slower
	-Rob D smash comes out at .65 speed
	-G&W D smash windsdown 1.5x slower
	-G&W Key set to 100% ALR, global ALR reduced to 50%
	-Ike Nair winddown decreased
	-Sped up Lucas Utilt by 1.35x
	-Samus' homing missles after frame 20 is 2x faster
	-Samus' super missles after frame 25 is 2x faster
	-Ivy Dair Winddown 2x faster
	-Ivysaur Razor Leaf after frame 10 is 1.5x faster.
	-MK Downsmash it now at .85x speed
	-Standing tether GRABS (standing ranged grab) have had their end lag sped up:
		- Lucas Standing Grab is now 1.5x faster after hitbox
		- Samus 1.6x wind-down
		- Link 1.5x wind-down
		- Toon Link 1.5x wind-down
		- Lucas 1.5x wind-down 
		- Yoshi 1.5x wind-down
		- Ivysaur 1.2x wind-down

[U]Other:[/U]
	-MK's whorenado now cannot change vertical height due to increased gravity

[U]-Character Specific Momentum Settings
[/U]	Pikachu: 85%
	Lucario: 75%
	Lucas: 120%
	D3: 70%
	MK: 75%
	Sonic: 175%
	ZSS: 110%
	Global 92.5%

[U]-Character Specific Gravity and Jump Power Modifications
[/U]Chara	ID	SH	FH	FF	DGrav	Grav	Filler
Mario	0	0.900	1.025	1.200	1.175	1.050	0
DK	1	0.850	1.000	1.400	1.000	1.000	0
Link	2	1.000	1.025	1.200	1.150	1.000	0
Samus	3	0.900	1.025	1.300	1.175	1.000	0
Yoshi	4	1.050	1.025	1.200	1.175	1.000	0
Kirby	5	1.000	1.000	1.100	1.000	1.000	0
Fox	6	0.900	1.050	1.150	1.200	1.100	0
Pikachu	7	1.000	1.000	1.150	1.000	1.000	0
Luigi	8	0.950	1.000	1.200	1.000	1.000	0
Falcon	9	0.900	1.050	1.150	1.200	1.100	0
Ness	A	1.000	1.000	1.200	1.000	1.000	0
Bowser	B	0.950	0.950	1.200	1.025	0.950	0
Peach	C	0.950	1.025	1.200	1.175	1.050	0
Zelda	D	0.900	1.000	1.200	1.000	1.000	0
Sheik	E	0.950	1.025	1.200	1.150	1.050	0
Clim 	F	0.800	1.050	1.300	1.000	1.000	0
Marth	11	1.000	1.025	1.200	1.175	1.050	0
G&W	12	1.000	1.000	1.100	1.000	1.000	0
Falco	13	0.900	1.050	1.150	1.200	1.100	0
Ganon	14	1.025	1.050	1.100	1.000	1.000	0
Wario	15	1.000	1.000	1.200	1.000	1.000	0
MK	16	0.900	1.000	1.300	1.100	0.950	0
Pit	17	1.000	1.025	1.200	1.000	1.025	0
ZSS	18	0.900	1.000	1.200	1.050	1.000	0
Olimar	19	0.950	1.025	1.200	1.175	1.050	0
Lucas	1A	1.000	1.000	1.200	1.000	1.000	0
Diddy	1B	0.950	1.025	1.200	1.150	1.050	0
Chariz	1D	1.000	1.025	1.200	1.150	0.950	0
Squirt	1E	0.900	1.050	1.300	1.050	1.000	0
Ivysaur	1F	1.025	1.025	1.200	1.050	1.000	0
Dedede	20	1.000	1.025	1.150	0.950	1.000	0
Lucario	21	0.900	1.025	1.200	1.175	1.050	0
Ike	22	1.000	1.050	1.100	1.025	1.025	0
ROB	23	1.000	1.025	1.200	1.150	1.050	0
Jiggs	25	0.950	1.000	1.300	1.000	1.000	0
Toony	29	1.000	1.000	1.300	1.150	1.000	0
Wolf	2C	1.025	1.025	1.200	0.850	1.100	0
Snake	2E	0.950	1.100	1.200	1.175	1.050	0
Sonic	2F	0.950	1.000	1.300	1.250	1.000	0
 

The Paprika Killer

Vi veri veniversum vivus vici
BRoomer
Joined
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Messages
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European [PAL] codeset
Updated: 4 may 2009
Version: 4.0 Beta

This version is identical to the American [NTSC] codeset, with the following exceptions:
-The custom character selcet screen [CSS] codes are NOT included
-The handicap = buffer code is NOT included

UPDATE:
DEADLANDS is here!

*link to download will be up soon*

you will need the following:
Code:
RSB?01:
codeliststart = 80570000
codelistend = 80580000
poke(800042B8, 60000000)
pokeifequal(80000000, 52534245, 803E9930, 60000000)
pokeifequal(80000000, 5253424A, 803E99A8, 60000000)
pokeifequal(80000000, 52534250, 803E9D5C, 60000000)
pokeifequal(80000000, 52534245, 801D5F60, 4800000C)
pokeifequal(80000000, 52534245, 80016C50, 60000000)
pokeifequal(80000000, 5253424A, 801D5FD8, 4800000C)
pokeifequal(80000000, 5253424A, 80016C50, 60000000)
pokeifequal(80000000, 52534250, 801D6740, 4800000C)
pokeifequal(80000000, 52534250, 80016CC4, 60000000)
copy and paste this to notepad/whatever and save as "gameconfig.txt" in the ROOT of your SD card
so X:\gameconfig.txt

If you have trouble setting up this by yourself, send me a PM with your email an I'll give everything you need

The codes:
Code:
Default settings [Almas]
24496898 80000000
20525200 00000000
04525200 DEADBEEF
4A000000 9000E220
1417F360 00000104
1417F364 04020A00
1417F368 08010101
1417F36C 01000000
E0000000 80008000
 
level freezer [Phantom Wings, Almas, The Paprika Killer]
4A000000 9000E220
1416A904 00000000
3A180F3A 00000015
1416A904 3F240000
3A180F3A 00000031
1416A904 BF800000
3A180F3A 00000014
3A180F3A 0000001C
1416A904 3F800000
E0000000 80008000
 
 
Deadlands
4A000000 9018F15A
38000000 FF000004
48000000 805B9CDC
DE000000 80008180
1400020C 4F000000
3000024C 00000000
1400024C 01010101
3000024D 03030303
1400024C 00000000
E2000001 00000000
14000250 41C00000
14000254 41C00000
1400025C C1C00000
14000260 41C00000
90010000 00000000
58010000 FFFFFDF0
10000150 00000007
14000154 4F000000
4A001000 00000000
58010000 FFFFFDFC
10000150 00000007
14000154 4F000000
E0000000 80008000
 
ASM codes
 
Dash Dancing [Phantom Wings, The Paprika Killer]
C271A3F4 00000004
81830058 2C0C000E
4182000C C0230040
48000008 FC20D090
60000000 00000000
 
shieldstun [Spunit262, Almas]
C287087C 00000005
83810034 8083013C
2C040000 41810014
1F9C000A 3B9C0014
38800005 7F9C23D6
60000000 00000000
 
Hold shield to swap V1.1 [Y.S. , Spunit262, Phantom Wings, The Paprika Killer]
C2811B50 0000000C
7FA4EB78 88A3000A
54A61838 7CC33214
80C60034 80C60060
80C60068 80C60074
70C00008 40A20034
80E30030 2C07001F
41A10028 2C070003
4182001C 2C070018
41820014 2C07001C
41A00010 2C170115
41820008 7CA42B78
60000000 00000000
 
No ASL [Spunit262, The Paprika Killer]
C277C2B0 00000006
2C04000A 40A20020
8181003C 816C0018
C00B0010 C02B001C
FC000840 40A10008
38000000 5400CFFF
60000000 00000000
 
launch power modifier [Almas]
C2852AA0 0000001B
3BE2FF7C 2C002F00
4082000C C3E2FFA4
480000BC 2C002F20
4082000C 38A3C594
48000034 2C002F14
4082000C 38A3C5A0
48000024 2C002F40
4082000C 38A3C574
48000014 2C002F5C
41820008 4E800020
38A3C558 80850010
2C040017 4082000C
38800003 48000008
80850000 3BA2FEDC
87DD0004 57C5463E
7C052000 41820010
7C1DF800 4082FFEC
4E800020 2C002F20
4082000C 57C0673E
48000028 2C002F14
4082000C 57C0873E
48000018 2C002F40
4082000C 57C0C73E
48000008 57C0A73E
1C000004 7FFF0214
C3FF0000 EC3F0072
4E800020 00000000
 
Grav Values modifier [Almas, The Paprika Killer]
C2817B04 00000014
3802FF7C 2C080000
40800090 3982FEDC
8088F5B0 2C040017
4082000C 38800003
48000008 8088F5A0
2C040016 40820024
38627000 38634CB8
2C170117 4182000C
7C171800 4082000C
C2EC00D4 48000048
2C09FFFF 40820014
2C040002 4082000C
C2EC00A8 48000030
84AC0004 54A3463E
7C032000 41820010
7C0C0000 4082FFEC
4E800020 54A5E73E
1CA50004 7D802A14
C2EC0000 EC370072
4E800020 00000000
 
Character ID fix [Spunit262, Almas]
C2810318 00000002
819E003C 907EFFFC
60000000 00000000
 
Hitbox system [Spunit262, Phantom Wings, The Paprika Killer]
C273FA3C 00000017
3C008180 80FC0028
81070008 8108FFFC
7C080000 40800098
81080030 80DE0020
5106C00E 801E0000
5006821E 801E0018
5006442E 80E7007C
80E70038 813E0030
5127C0CE 801E0014
50076226 390204CC
85480014 81680004
7D405B79 41820050
7C0A3000 4082FFEC
7C0B3800 4082FFE4
88080008 90030004
88080009 9003001C
8808000A 90030024
8808000B 500906FE
91230034 A008000C
90030018 80080010
2C00FFFF 41820008
90030038 7F83E378
60000000 00000000
 
Hitlag modifier [Phantom Wings, Almas, Spunit262]
C276CEAC 00000004
2C040002 41800010
1C840005 38840000
39C0000A 7C8473D6
2C040000 00000000
C28716A0 00000004
2C040002 41800010
1C840005 38840000
39C0000A 7C8473D6
80660064 00000000
 
Electric hitlag constant [Phantom Wings, The Paprika Killer]
04B83B10 3F800000
 
Frame speed mod engine [Spunit262, Phantom Wings, Almas]
C2761C20 00000012
3C008180 807D0008
8063FFFC 7C030000
4080000C 80630030
48000008 386000FF
809D0014 C0240040
FC40081E 80840058
60848000 D8410008
8001000C 80BD007C
80A50038 38C200D8
84E60008 2C070000
41820038 7CE8C671
41A0000C 7C081800
4082FFE8 54E8863E
7C004000 41A0FFDC
54E8043E 7C082800
4182000C 7C082000
4082FFC8 C0060004
D01F0010 00000000
C2761FB8 00000003
2C1D0001 4182000C
C0230010 48000008
C02283C0 00000000
 
Momentum capture V4.3 [Phantom Wings, Spunit262, The Paprika Killer]
C2861E50 00000013
3C008180 809D0008
8084FFFC 7C040000
4080000C 80840030
48000008 3880FFFF
807D007C A0E30006
80630038 2C03000B
40A20044 3C004540
901B000C C05B000C
38A2FE5C 84C50004
7CC0C671 4180000C
7C002000 4082FFF0
54C0027E 6C004540
901B000C C01B000C
FC001028 C03B0008
FC210032 2C030022
41800014 2C04002F
40A20010 2C070112
41A00008 D03B0008
60000000 00000000
C277A794 00000002
801E0034 B01E0006
801E0048 00000000
 
Dash cancel V2.1 [Phantom Wings, Spunit262, The Paprika Killer]
C275FEBC 00000007
90810014 54846CFE
2C0417E5 41A00024
809EFFFC 80A4007C
80A50038 2C050005
40A20010 3C004F00
80840014 90040040
60000000 00000000
 
Shield during dashdance [Phantom Wings, Spunit262, Almas]
C275FF38 00000005
8081009C 80A4007C
80A50038 2C050003
40A20010 3C004F00
80840014 90040040
60600008 00000000
 
Tech window V0.05 [Spunit262, The Paprika Killer]
C277A190 00000012
80810010 2C040046
41A00080 2C04004C
41A10078 80BF0068
88C5008F 2C06000F
41A10068 88E5008E
7CC63A14 2C060032
41800058 2C040049
41820050 41A00008
3884FFFC 3884FFBA
5484083C 38840060
2C040062 41810030
41820010 80C50038
54C66D3E 48000014
80E50074 50E4EFFE
80C5003C 7CC69E70
2C0607E5 41A00008
60840001 90810010
60000000 00000000
C2760394 00000005
88C30058 2C060032
41A10014 7C060214
2C0000FF 41800008
380000FE 98030058
60000000 00000000
 
Constants
 
Momentum capture data
065AAF40 00000020
07000D9A 21000C00
1A001333 20000B33
16000C00 2F001C00
1800119A FF000ECC
 
Frame speed mod data
065AB1C0 000001A0
00080029 3FAA3D70
00008063 3F8CCCCC
01000040 3F2AAAAA
02000018 4036DB61
02100034 3FC00000
03190125 40000000
03140123 40000000
03190034 3FCCCCCC
0400001C 40000000
04140034 3FC00000
0516002C 3F999999
07148075 3F333333
09000018 40200000
0A000040 3FAAAAAA
0B00003B 3F5E9BD3
0B0D0028 3FC00000
0B000018 40200000
0B000027 3F999999
0B000019 3FAAAAAB
0D000027 3F999999
1200806B 3F800000
120E002F 3F266666
14140118 3FA00000
141C0024 40400000
14140024 3F000000
14000024 40600000
14108063 3F800000
140F8063 3E800000
14008068 40200000
1600002F 3F59999A
1A000040 3FAAAAAA
1A080034 3FC00000
1A000028 3FACCCCC
1D140027 3FE00000
1E00003B 3F777777
1F0C8066 40000000
1F0A0113 3FC00000
1F000018 40555555
1F100034 3F999999
221D8062 40000000
2300002F 3F266666
2304002F 3F800000
25000041 3FD11111
29100034 3FC00000
2F00011C 40000000
2F000119 40000000
FF000018 40000000
FF000074 40800000
FF000061 3FA66666
FF000041 3FD55555
FF00000A 3FA66666
FF0E0054 40A00000
 
Jump/grav values
065AAFC0 000000E0
0025CB60 0114F440
0245CA40 0325EB40
0465CB40 05448440
0626AC80 0744A440
0834C440 0926AC80
0A44C440 0B33C530
0C35CB60 0D24C440
0E35CA60 0F06E840
1145CB60 12448440
1326AC80 14568440
1544C440 1624E830
1745C850 1824C640
1935CB60 1A44C440
1B35CA60 1D45CA30
1E26E640 1F55C640
2045A340 2125CB60
22468550 2345CA60
2534E440 2944EA40
2C55C180 2E36CB60
2F34ED40 3F4CCCCD
3F59999A 3F666666
3F733333 3F800000
3F833333 3F866666
3F89999A 3F8CCCCD
3F900000 3F933333
3F966666 3F99999A
3FA00000 3FA66666
3FB33333 3ECCCCCC
 
Hitbox data
065AB5C0 00000280
02094844 02169118
09484402 00100000
FFFFFFFF 02095037
02169118 09503702
00100000 FFFFFFFF
02075037 02169118
07503702 00100000
FFFFFFFF 02075014
02169118 07501402
00100000 FFFFFFFF
020F5A19 0216902C
0F5A1902 00190000
FFFFFFFF 020E5A19
0216902C 0E5A1902
00190000 FFFFFFFF
020C325A 02050029
0C324002 01180000
06200000 02055014
02169118 05501402
00100000 FFFFFFFF
020C4844 02169118
0C485502 01690000
FFFFFFFF 0309500A
00169033 09781600
01690000 FFFFFFFF
030D6414 0016902C
0D5A3800 01690000
FFFFFFFF 09065023
00169033 135D1E03
00200000 85A00000
09073464 05050118
072B5605 00500000
FFFFFFFF 0B175119
0016902C 175A3205
01690000 FFFFFFFF
0B0F5319 02023033
0F531902 00140000
FFFFFFFF 0E096C00
0001E033 09870000
001E0000 FFFFFFFF
0E056414 0005A027
05213F00 005A0000
FFFFFFFF 140B641E
13041114 0B643213
002D0000 FFFFFFFF
16093C5A 0201E11D
09643702 001E0000
FFFFFFFF 160B5D32
0216902F 0B501E02
01690000 FFFFFFFF
160D5A32 0216902F
0D501E02 01690000
FFFFFFFF 16036400
02062033 00000001
00620000 FFFFFFFF
16036400 0205A033
00000001 005A0000
FFFFFFFF 1E06641E
00056028 06642800
00560000 FFFFFFFF
2106822B 15060028
06823215 00600000
FFFFFFFF 23065037
0005A028 06142800
005A0000 FFFFFFFF
23036400 0005A028
03142800 002D0000
FFFFFFFF 23036400
00069028 03142800
002D0000 FFFFFFFF
250F4B64 0E058115
1F327605 002D0000
8BA05276 2E07733C
00169024 075F2D00
01690000 FFFFFFFF
6619381E 03028008
19462003 00280000
FFFFFFFF 6F0A4128
05037000 0F502805
00280000 FFFFFFFF
 
No stale moves [Spunit262, The Paprika Killer]
02FBC988 00130000
 
Tripping rate mod [KirbyIsCool]
04817B68 C0220020
045AB110 00000000
 
Triple jump glitch fix [Phantom Wings, Spunit262, The Paprika Killer]
0485422C 38830003
 
Pokemon trainer inf. stamina [Phantom Wings, Spunit262, Almas]
04A87BB4 60000000
 
Hitstun modifier [Phantom Wings, Spunit262, The Paprika Killer]
02B84F48 00030001
04B83AA8 3EF91687
 
C-stick FF modifier [Phantom Wings, Spunit262, Almas]
048596DC 40A20008
048596D8 2C000001
 
Powershield mod [Spunit262, The Paprika Killer]
04B84F24 00000002
 
Infinite replays [Brkirch]
040ED354 60000000
 
Tags in replays [Y.S. , The Paprika Killer]
0404BE7C 38A00000
 

Stratocaster

Smash Ace
Joined
Oct 6, 2007
Messages
672
Location
Knoxville, TN
For the character specific codes, can a list be made that tells us exactly what specific changes are made to each character? I think thats really important for us to know.

Thanks though, its exciting to see how far Brawl + has come.
 

Almas

Smash Lord
Joined
Jul 6, 2008
Messages
1,588
For the character specific codes, can a list be made that tells us exactly what specific changes are made to each character? I think thats really important for us to know.

Thanks though, its exciting to see how far Brawl + has come.
A list is in the OP

(Editted to remove bulk of code)
 

kupo15

Smash Hero
Joined
Mar 14, 2008
Messages
6,999
Location
Playing Melee
What are the values for the jump speed, Dash speed, and FF speed and where are they located? Do you want me to host this on my thread?
 

kupo15

Smash Hero
Joined
Mar 14, 2008
Messages
6,999
Location
Playing Melee
is it me or does it feel heavier than melee? I don't remember Falcon in melee falling this fast on his own.
 

The Paprika Killer

Vi veri veniversum vivus vici
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 17, 2008
Messages
8,124
some codes are giving trouble (shieldstun mostly) so don't expect a PAL set for another 48 hours or so
 

Plum

Has never eaten a plum.
Premium
Joined
Jun 28, 2008
Messages
3,458
Location
Rochester, NY
Haven't been able to update my codeset yet but I look forward to checking this out!
I would like to see the values on hitstun, dash speed, jump speed and etc. here and I'm sure a lot of others will come here and want to see it too.
 

MuBa

Smash Lord
Joined
Nov 4, 2005
Messages
1,958
Location
Dragon Kick you into the Milky Way!
Mario:

I personally believe that since Mario's biggest asset is his ability to juggle we should try to give him a good jump (I know it's unstable atm) and Fast Fall speed (around 1.25) and since his recovery sucks you can just leave any part of his gravity to normal.
 

kupo15

Smash Hero
Joined
Mar 14, 2008
Messages
6,999
Location
Playing Melee
Falcon:

He feels a little too heavy, heavier than melee. I can't do Bair>uair in a full hop and he just feels heavy. I think he doesn't need to be that different from Vb in gravity just a shorter short hop like .9

Ike:

I can barely ledge hop aerials with him if its even possible
Can't "just" ledge hop like how ganon was

Falco:

I find it really hard to punish off the stage without killing myself using the Nair and Fair
 

Shell

Flute-Fox Only
Joined
Feb 7, 2007
Messages
2,042
Edit for Beta2:

This ****'s the mother****ing ****. I've already sent my constructive criticism to shanus.

Edit 2:

You may not be able to tell from the censoring, but that means it's really awesome.
 

kupo15

Smash Hero
Joined
Mar 14, 2008
Messages
6,999
Location
Playing Melee
After playing MuBa's codeset and enjoying it, this feels like molasses. Is the dashspeed at 1.0 or is it buried in the code somewhere I don't see? o_O

SH on some characters feel higher than necessary, and gravities feel lower than they could go. I guess that's just the MuBa in me. I will post in depth responses after a more thorough test.

It seems very balanced, just... slow. I don't mean to come off as ungrateful, though, I'm very thankful for the work you've all put into it. I will do my best to give this new game pace a chance.
Oddly enough, it feels slower than my codeset as well...o_O

I feel the air game is limited but I'll test some more
 

Shell

Flute-Fox Only
Joined
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Messages
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I think that other than spacies (which feel great!) most characters have less gravity than in previous code sets. Also, I suspect that Dash Speed is at 1.0. Which is strange since I thought everyone agreed that at least 1.15 was semi-standard. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 

Revven

FrankerZ
Joined
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Messages
7,550
Location
Cleveland, Ohio
Oddly enough, it feels slower than my codeset as well...o_O
I think it's because it's missing a faster Dash Speed and Jump Speed.

Also, I think Wolf should have a faster fastfall, he IS a spacie and spacies have always had good FFs. Falcon needs a smaller SH height, .9 would suffice, change Upwards Grav JUST A LITTLE so he doesn't feel as heavy.

DK feels good, Diddy Kong feels good, Sonic feels pretty okay (I don't play him though, I just tried him out), Wario feels good, Fox felt perfect, and CF felt a little too heavy but maybe that's 'cause I was playing against CPUs. He FEELS okay, but, nothing that great. Maybe I need to get used to the changes (that's probably the case, as that's how it usually is with Melee).
 

kupo15

Smash Hero
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Messages
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Location
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dash speed is 1.15 apparently

I added the jump speed and it still feels slower..idk really I need to test more
 

goodoldganon

Smash Champion
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Messages
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Location
Cleveland, Ohio
So these are the character individual gravities/tweaks/etc. that you guys have been talking about? Great looks exciting. I'll get to testing this right away. I'll come back and edit my post after tests most likely.
 

Revven

FrankerZ
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Messages
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dash speed is 1.15 apparently

I added the jump speed and it still feels slower..idk really I need to test more
Actually, thinking about it, I think it's because we're no longer using 1.2 down grav universally so everybody doesn't fall at the same rate anymore. We now have three or four different types of falling gravity for each character so, it FEELS slower because the 1.2 or 1.15 down grav is no longer shared by everyone.

Also, when I said Wolf needed a faster fastfall, I meant only a slight increase so his Dair is more useful on stage.
 

Revven

FrankerZ
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I think the better approach for Falcon would be this: .9 SH and a faster fastfall but, not too fast with some good downwards gravity and very slight increase in Up grav. He feels like a heavyweight champion ready to play basketball.
 

kupo15

Smash Hero
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I think the better approach for Falcon would be this: .9 SH and a faster fastfall but, not too fast with some good downwards gravity and very slight increase in Up grav. He feels like a heavyweight champion ready to play basketball.
I agree! I also like doing double aerials in a full hop. Im pretty sure he could do this in melee...
 

storm92

Smash Ace
Joined
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Messages
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I don't know if I'm the only one here, but I'm completely loving this codeset.
CF is sexy beyond imagining.
 

BEES

Smash Lord
Joined
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Messages
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Location
Chapel Hill, NC
Falcon - fall too fast
Dash speed - need 1.15 at least
And I would either do the MuBa thing and have 100% autocanceling and 30% hitlag, or keep it at 50% and bring up the hitstun to .49

I will insist that higher hitstun balances the game more.
 

Team Giza

Smash Lord
Joined
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Messages
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Location
San Diego, CA
I have never been so unhappy with a Brawl+ codeset since it was only no tripping and melee airdodge. I think some of these character specific jump and grav changes are very poor and mess up a lot of the characters. Beyond that I am very sad to see No pokemon swap on death getting into the game.

I'll keep playing it more and find more specific stuff but after my first little test of it I don't like it.

edit: After playing it for awhile I like it much better. At first test it feels very odd and different from the other releases but after a little while I got used to it and like it much more. It still needs a lot of work but thanks for the release.
 

kupo15

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Glad we all agree that falcon is way too heavy. I understand where you are coming from Giza. Why does it feel like the gravity is higher than melee? I remember a full hop in melee took some time to get back down but here its really fast. I think melee is floatier than people think, its just that other aspects made it not feel as floaty
 

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Actually, I like this codeset much more than Kupo's, Mookie's, and especially MuBa's. It is a definite improvement.

However, I like my own custom codeset more, so I will return to it.
 

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Glad we all agree that falcon is way too heavy. I understand where you are coming from Giza. Why does it feel like the gravity is higher than melee? I remember a full hop in melee took some time to get back down but here its really fast. I think melee is floatier than people think, its just that other aspects made it not feel as floaty
I personally think a lot of the new changes just take some time getting used to. We're all mostly used to everybody falling at the same rate in B+ so naturally, our muscle instincts are trying to go faster than we should be with the new codeset. Kinda like how on the first day vB released everybody was trying to go SUPAHHHH FAASSSST and **** because of having played Melee for 7 years.

We may need a faster dash speed than 1.15 now looking at the character specific changes. Maybe even increase hitstun to .487? I dunno, I'm gonna wait before passing judgement. I gave my thoughts on what needs changing though

Whatever you do, don't have newbies try this code set, use kupo's or Mookie's for that as it's faster and will give them a good outlook on the differences between B+ and vB. That's what I'm going to do when I got to TYM if nothing is changed in this code set or if I don't get used to it anytime soon lol.
 

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I'm not dismissing this code set yet, I've had it for only a half hour, but so far I've felt more characters were adversely affected by it then benefited. Half the characters can't even dream of going anywhere off the stage (bye bye Epic Falcon off-the-stage kills) and some of the characters are doomed if they fast fall, making their recoveries too predictable (I'm looking at you Gdorf).

I only messed in training mode, I'm about to go do some comp stomps now.
 

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I just played with it for the last hour and a half, I don't see why CF is too heavy. Sure, he falls fast, but this allows for even better SHFFLs, and he can still do things like double Uair in a FH.
I personally like this much better, I love the feel.
 

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I personally think a lot of the new changes just take some time getting used to. We're all mostly used to everybody falling at the same rate in B+ so naturally, our muscle instincts are trying to go faster than we should be with the new codeset. Kinda like how on the first day vB released everybody was trying to go SUPAHHHH FAASSSST and **** because of having played Melee for 7 years.

We may need a faster dash speed than 1.15 now looking at the character specific changes. Maybe even increase hitstun to .487? I dunno, I'm gonna wait before passing judgement. I gave my thoughts on what needs changing though

Whatever you do, don't have newbies try this code set, use kupo's or Mookie's for that as it's faster and will give them a good outlook on the differences between B+ and vB. That's what I'm going to do when I got to TYM if nothing is changed in this code set or if I don't get used to it anytime soon lol.
Yea I agree. At first I was like, what? But its a "little" better but then I aso agree with this...
I'm not dismissing this code set yet, I've had it for only a half hour, but so far I've felt more characters were adversely affected by it then benefited. Half the characters can't even dream of going anywhere off the stage (bye bye Epic Falcon off-the-stage kills) and some of the characters are doomed if they fast fall, making their recoveries too predictable (I'm looking at you Gdorf).

I only messed in training mode, I'm about to go do some comp stomps now.
I feel the offstage options are limited by the gravity and the whole air game feels askewed atm and being more air based and most aerials last a while, I think this should be somewhat preserved. More testing though...
 

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It takes some getting used to, I only played it for an hour and it was against CPUs so it was kinda boring. I need to play humans in order to feel it. lol
 

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I will continue to update my original post as I play in the coming days. If Brawlplusery members could address the questions in the post as they come I'd appreciate it.
 

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You'll notice that most characters rest in the 1.05 to 1.15 range for grav, so yes, this might feel slower than the gameplay you're used to.

We make no claims about these values being perfect. In fact, far from it. With limited people back there, we could only test so much in the time we had with the codes. In actuality, we only had all the kinks in the code worked out just yesterday. These character values are a starting point, and it is expected that we will need to change them based on the community's feedback.
 
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