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Plum · Apr 25, 2009

Also, thanks for giving Ness the Homerun sound on his bat again. LOVE that. The little things count, and make me love the game more.

Now how about that YES! on the Knee?

Yingyay · Apr 25, 2009

shanus said:
Yeah im working on a new value now Plum. Love the constructive feedback guys, keep it up. I'll try and bring a new set for public testing maybe by the end of today or tomorrow!

nice to hear.
future reference tho, i think it would be say to announce changes being added to the next version before its released that way we know wut to look out for.
Im looking forward to testing out the new values myself (including sheik changes >=) )

NESS Got the homerun sound back on his bat!? OMFG!
*runs to wii and tests it out*

Alopex · Apr 25, 2009

Yingyay said:
By weaker i meant slightly nerfed, but if it killed earlier for your friend then either you someone DI'ed the wrong way or the comp DI'ed my Fsmash O_o ( I was fighting DDD so it would explain how your friend got it to kill at a lower percentage due to his weight)
-I agree with the buff for his copy move, buy im not sure if they can chage that or not. If so then yes.

1) Kirby's Fsmash received no nerf in power, only wind-down.

2) Yes, we can theoretically change the exit lag of the Copy. We'll discuss whether or not this is really necessary or frivolous. These days it seems like people only accept the most dire of necessary changes. People only want us to work on characters that "need it", regardless of how much sense a change to a good character makes.

Yingyay said:
future reference tho, i think it would be say to announce changes being added to the next version before its released that way we know wut to look out for.

The reason we don't release things beforehand is because none of these are official releases anyway. They're all always test builds and as such are prone to constant (read: nightly) change. Telling you guys everything that we're doing every time would be exhausting and is easily accomplished by the patch notes on every build instead. In fact these nightly builds ARE our way of telling you guys what we're up to, because these builds are what make up the precursors of the true releases.

EDIT: @ Fox Laser Shieldlock
This is an old, old phenomenon that is well-known by the WBR. Quite simply, it will never be removed. I know this because I did the testing for this stuff myself a long while back.
Currently, Fox's lasers shieldlock only at close ranges and only keeps them locked until about the half-way range of the laser. This is, of course, because Fox's lasers do less damage with more range and thus less shieldstun.

The reason why the lock won't get removed completely is because the needed shieldstun value to remove the lock is ridiculously low, and considering how 2/2/1, the most recent value, is already too low for everyone (and the lock still exists even then), there's just no way to go lower.

We've toyed with the idea of adding a break point, but that will just screw up jabs.

So when you're testing out shieldstun, the presence of the Laser Shieldlock is not the thing you should be testing for in order to determine too much stun. Instead, it's the range of the shieldlock you should be testing for.
No one is going to shield a Fox laser at close range, there's just no reason to.
The laser start-up isn't faster than shield drop.
Overall, the shieldlock isn't really a problem and is definitely not something any Brawl+ Fox uses in their game.

Yingyay · Apr 25, 2009

Alopex said:
1) Kirby's Fsmash received no nerf in power, only wind-down.

2) Yes, we can theoretically change the exit lag of the Copy. We'll discuss whether or not this is really necessary or frivolous. These days it seems like people only accept the most dire of necessary changes. People only want us to work on characters that "need it", regardless of how much sense a change to a good character makes.

The reason we don't release things beforehand is because none of these are official releases anyway. They're all always test builds and as such are prone to constant (read: nightly) change. Telling you guys everything that we're doing every time would be exhausting and is easily accomplished by the patch notes on every build instead. In fact these nightly builds ARE our way of telling you guys what we're up to, because these builds are what make up the precursors of the true releases.

-I dunno why it seems weaker to me O-o
-well in the end its up to you guys. Kirby's copy tech to me is pretty pointless due to my playstyle. I would rather inhale throw someone off the stage than use copy.
-If its gonna be more hassle for you guys then yall dont have to do it. Just trying to ofer some ways in which we can prevent more beta's in the future.

cookieM0Nster · Apr 25, 2009

GHNeko said:
Pics or no.

no pics, just try it out!

yes, Captain Falcon would approve.

MK26 · Apr 25, 2009

cookieM0Nster said:
no pics, just try it out!

yes, Captain Falcon would approve.

lol u screwed up the code...you're supposed to get the data from the css code, remove all randoms and nones, and count the number that are left. That number then replaces what is in your case 32

cookieM0Nster · Apr 25, 2009

Yea, i kno, lol. here is both codes combined, to make it easy.

Code:

Roster of Manliness
0668310C 00000030
387E006C 3B600000
3C808068 38840DE0
7CBB20AE 7CA50775
41800014 94A30004
3B7B0001 2C1B0032
4180FFE8 48000038
04690338 48000068
066900d8 00000008
2c170028 41820168
02680DE0 0022FFFF
06680DE0 00000032
2828280A 28280A28
28282828 280A2828
0A282828 280A2828
28282828 0A28280A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A28
28282828 28282828
28000000 00000000
06685824 0000000C
3C608068 7C630214
88630E80 00000000
046857F0 3AE00032
06680E80 00000032
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0000 00000000

This... brings a tear to my eye...

Yingyay · Apr 25, 2009

cookieM0Nster said:

Yea, i kno, lol. here is both codes combined, to make it easy.

Code:

Roster of Manliness
0668310C 00000030
387E006C 3B600000
3C808068 38840DE0
7CBB20AE 7CA50775
41800014 94A30004
3B7B0001 2C1B0032
4180FFE8 48000038
04690338 48000068
066900d8 00000008
2c170028 41820168
02680DE0 0022FFFF
06680DE0 00000032
2828280A 28280A28
28282828 280A2828
0A282828 280A2828
28282828 0A28280A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A28
28282828 28282828
28000000 00000000
06685824 0000000C
3C608068 7C630214
88630E80 00000000
046857F0 3AE00032
06680E80 00000032
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0A0A 0A0A0A0A
0A0A0000 00000000

This... brings a tear to my eye...

I think you guys are in the wrong topic lol

Deleted member · Apr 25, 2009

does anyone know what the (PAL) loader codes for the snapshot method are or where I can find them?

cookieM0Nster · Apr 25, 2009

Yingyay said:
I think you guys are in the wrong topic lol

nawww

I want this to go on the next Brawl+ codeset, lol

try it out if you wanna kno wut I mean.

Revven · Apr 25, 2009

cookieM0Nster said:
nawww

I want this to go on the next Brawl+ codeset, lol

try it out if you wanna kno wut I mean.

Well guess what?

It's not.

cookieM0Nster · Apr 25, 2009

aww man...

oh well.

on a side note, I finally got Brawl+ version 4.0 to work! YESS!!!

Skip2MaLoo · Apr 25, 2009

is it possible to return sheild stun back to 4/7's set. the only problems I had were laser locks from fox and lucas's nair.

Yingyay · Apr 25, 2009

yoo, was fox's uTilt always a kill move? O_O i killed MK at 121% with it.

GHNeko · Apr 25, 2009

Yingyay said:
yoo, was fox's uTilt always a kill move? O_O i killed MK at 121% with it.

....

*facepalm*

MK? The light guy? WITH the EXTRA KNOCKBACK code? And on a CPU who cant DI?

Loooool.

cookieM0Nster · Apr 25, 2009

^^
That.

lol, just DI, and you will be fine!

Revven · Apr 25, 2009

GHNeko said:
....

*facepalm*

MK? The light guy? WITH the EXTRA KNOCKBACK code? And on a CPU who cant DI?

Loooool.

MK Flimsy Armor code is gone Neko.

IC3R · Apr 25, 2009

GHNeko said:
....

*facepalm*

MK? The light guy? WITH the EXTRA KNOCKBACK code? And on a CPU who cant DI?

Loooool.

No johns. loljkdonthurtmeplz :3

Guys, does the game just feel...slower? For some reason I felt I was playing vBrawl with ALCA and NASL. I can't really explain it...

May just be me...

cookieM0Nster · Apr 25, 2009

Yeah, i know what you mean! I liked the momentum in Brawl+ 3.3 a lot more. It feels like Brawl that is just A LITTLE better. Could we have better momentum in the next version?

Revven · Apr 25, 2009

cookieM0Nster said:
Yeah, i know what you mean! I liked the momentum in Brawl+ 3.3 a lot more. It feels like Brawl that is just A LITTLE better. Could we have better momentum in the next version?

No, the momentum is the SAME, it's just the shieldstun making the game feel more defensive.

Can you guys quit complaining and just play the **** set? A new one with ALL YOUR COMPLAINTS FIXED WILL BE OUT SOON.

GHNeko · Apr 25, 2009

Falco400 said:
MK Flimsy Armor code is gone Neko.

Lolwut. Well ****.>_>

I need to stay in the loop.

cookieM0Nster · Apr 25, 2009

Falco400 said:
No, the momentum is the SAME, it's just the shieldstun making the game feel more defensive.

Can you guys quit complaining and just play the **** set? A new one with ALL YOUR COMPLAINTS FIXED WILL BE OUT SOON.

oh, ok. Yea, it feels rly different. sorry...

IC3R · Apr 25, 2009

Falco400 said:
No, the momentum is the SAME, it's just the shieldstun making the game feel more defensive.

Can you guys quit complaining and just play the **** set? A new one with ALL YOUR COMPLAINTS FIXED WILL BE OUT SOON.

Sorry man; just being honest. No need to 'splode (even though you've heard **** from a lot of people recently).

On a lighter note: I got a CPU Ike to teabag for 5 seconds straight after killing me :chuckle:

Yingyay · Apr 25, 2009

Geez im sorry for being amazed at fox's powahz lol

Greenpoe · Apr 25, 2009

Yingyay said:
If thats the case, i hope that something can be done with Sheik and Zelda's transformation, so that they can have one set transformation time.

Y.S. said:
Code:

NTSC-JPN Instant Transformation [Y.S.] 04FC3358 0C050100 04FC33E8 0C050100 04FC3410 0C050100 NTSC-USA Instant Transformation [Y.S.] 04FC37F8 0C050100 04FC3888 0C050100 04FC38B0 0C050100 PAL Instant Transformation [Y.S.] 04FBF7F8 0C050100 04FBF888 0C050100 04FBF8B0 0C050100

The codes above work with the following characters;

Samus / Zero Suit Samus
Wario / Warioman
Zelda / Sheik
Bowser / Giga Bowser

Doesn't that code fix the transformation time?

cookieM0Nster · Apr 25, 2009

yes, it does. Too bad it works with wario (to warioman) and bowser (to gigabowser)

kupo15 · Apr 25, 2009

Falco400 said:
Can you guys quit complaining and just play the **** set? A new one with ALL YOUR COMPLAINTS FIXED WILL BE OUT SOON.

Dude, they think its slow which I agree and I've seen several other users say the same thing. 55 users downloaded my latest code set which is addressing the flow/speed problem so there obviously, at least 55 people are not satisfied with the pace of the game and want something faster.

Its not complaining, its feedback. Unless you are going to make the game faster, their "complaining" won't stop with the next set. That kind of attitude of, "we don't care, just play what we give you' is not the right attitude. I think the pace of play is a valid concern that the plussery is obviously ignoring.

MK26 · Apr 25, 2009

paprika killer said:
does anyone know what the (PAL) loader codes for the snapshot method are or where I can find them?

i couldnt find v2.1 of the codes, but this one works just fine

Code:

PAL
Load .gct file from Snapshot v1 [Y.S, Phantom Wings] (9 lines)
C20C8B00 00000009
80A40008 3CC000D0
60C6C0DE 80E50000
7C063800 40820028
80E40004 3CC0817D
60C60000 81050000
91060000 38C60004
38A50004 34E7FFFC
41A1FFEC 83A40004
60000000 00000000
 
All Versions
Execute codes loaded from Snapshot v1 [Y.S.] (5 lines)
217D0000 00D0C0DE
217D0004 00D0C0DE
04001848 817D0008
64000000 00000000
E0000000 80008000
(Codes entered after this one will be ignored, as this code changes the code list location)

Plum · Apr 25, 2009

Greenpoe said:
Doesn't that code fix the transformation time?

Question, is that code literally instant?
Or is the loading time just an instant thing? If the actual transformation is instant then that would be too good. But if it is just loading the character info instantly with a standardized transformation speed because of it then that would be great.

CountKaiser · Apr 25, 2009

Tested the new dsmash and fsmash for G&W in the codeset.

Dsmash feels fine, and I mamanged t improve it, however, fsmash isn't affected at all. Shanus, I'll pm you updates for both.

Blapius · Apr 25, 2009

After updating from Plussery 4.0 to 4.1 (Apr. 23 version) I cannot get to the strap loading screen. Any help? Should I update to Gecko 1.8.0.2?

Edit: I updated my Gecko to 1.8.0.2, but still freeze at the strap screen.

Mr. Escalator · Apr 25, 2009

G&W's Dsmash feels FINE?
Jesus, it feels like one of the worst smashes in the game. If you use it, and dont hit, it's game over for G&W.
It's not even particularly impressive if you do hit, not like Bowser's Fsmash.

shanus · Apr 25, 2009

Mr. Escalator said:
G&W's Dsmash feels FINE?
Jesus, it feels like one of the worst smashes in the game. If you use it, and dont hit, it's game over for G&W.
It's not even particularly impressive if you do hit, not like Bowser's Fsmash.

If your talking about 4.1 4-23, that was a mistake. Its fixed in 4-25 release.

Skip2MaLoo · Apr 25, 2009

GnW is good.. sourspot sends at almost impossible to recover positions for some characters and sweetspot star ko's. his smashes are fine. if anything, id complain about landing lag, which is ok, it balances him

edit: nevermind, haven't tested gnw in 4/23

Kuga · Apr 25, 2009

Well,most of the people agree about Fox.Leave his Dair alone man >.<
Its not good if you need to timing again and again....the move is just good,but not the best,its Top 10 maybe.
For now,i think this should not be nerf at this point,lets see what they think.

and about his Nair,well,i dont know because my wii stop reading discs >.<

StarcraftLedZeppelin · Apr 25, 2009

Can some one hook me up with the latest 4.1 version?

Plum · Apr 25, 2009

StarcraftLedZeppelin said:
Can some one hook me up with the latest 4.1 version?

http://www.gamesurge.net/chat/BrawlPlus

Just head there and a link will pop up as soon as you join chat to download the newest test build.

Revven · Apr 26, 2009

Kuga said:
Well,most of the people agree about Fox.Leave his Dair alone man >.<
Its not good if you need to timing again and again....the move is just good,but not the best,its Top 10 maybe.
For now,i think this should not be nerf at this point,lets see what they think.

and about his Nair,well,i dont know because my wii stop reading discs >.<

Dair works the same as before, nothing's changed (meaning, you can do anything you did before with it except Usmash on some of the cast). I can still land Dair > Utilt perfectly fine, if you're having trouble work on your timing.

GPDP · Apr 26, 2009

Are we really getting rid of the reverse knee? D:

shanus · Apr 26, 2009

Some people complained about it, I want to keep it. It's really up to the public though.

Also, for those who wish to test nightly builds:
http://web.me.com/shane_mulligan/Brawl+_Nightly_Builds/Welcome.html

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