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The BlazBlue Thread: all the imports!
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Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Lol, it's nothing...
First impressions with Valkenhayn:
He's awesome... but ********. Fastest overhead in the game, bar none, with 236C, a ton of normals that are wolf-cancellable on hit or whiff, eats primers for breakfast, 6A works like a DP with autoguard, ridiculous range, safe and spammable specials, monsterous chip damage, and good supers. His low game isn't nearly as strong as his overheads, but thank goodness it's not. He seems to have trouble doing huge damage midscreen, like Makoto, but does the damage of Valhalla in the corner, also like Makoto.
My opinion will likely change with time, but he's looking like quite the beast.
First impressions with Valkenhayn:
He's awesome... but ********. Fastest overhead in the game, bar none, with 236C, a ton of normals that are wolf-cancellable on hit or whiff, eats primers for breakfast, 6A works like a DP with autoguard, ridiculous range, safe and spammable specials, monsterous chip damage, and good supers. His low game isn't nearly as strong as his overheads, but thank goodness it's not. He seems to have trouble doing huge damage midscreen, like Makoto, but does the damage of Valhalla in the corner, also like Makoto.
My opinion will likely change with time, but he's looking like quite the beast.
Yoshara
Smash Lord
Yeah, but that proves not to be that big of a problem, seeing as he is Valkenhayn, and that counteracts the whole "not Bang" thing pretty well.
SuSa
Banned via Administration
I find Bang's biggest problem is that he's Bang. So that counteracts any argument about people not being Bang - as that's the biggest advantage in the universe.
GigaBowserXyZ
Smash Journeyman
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valkenhayn as like more ways into astral than someone like ragna.
also only one psn tager? WHERE U AT PSN SCIENCE?!
also only one psn tager? WHERE U AT PSN SCIENCE?!
OFY
Sonic main since 08'
H-man is such a ***** to fight as hazama 
dat or I'm just still new at the game (only 1 month) cant land dem 236236c distortions with hazama
dat or I'm just still new at the game (only 1 month) cant land dem 236236c distortions with hazama
SuSa
Banned via Administration
I don't even own CS and I know that.
/Raziek's title before anyone asks
/Raziek's title before anyone asks
X the Derp
Smash Apprentice
Ophy's just hating on my wall of J.2A. strategy. Still working out the kinks, but so far, jump-ins are safer.
Wave⁂
Smash Legend
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I don't know if it's because I'm playing CT or I'm on PC or I'm playing CT on PC or what, but I am sucking terribly at 6C > j.A > j.B > j.A > j.B > 236C. I can't really get the second jump part. So I just mash A and then throw out the Revolver Blast.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Requesting for everyone on Xbox to automatically have Valkenhayn as an alt.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
He has trouble getting in, so he won't have a chance against anyone that can zone effectively. He can't dash, so at least that limits his mobility. He's actually kind of like Hakumen in my mind.
The thing I hate about Valk's 6C is that it is +6 on block. And it doesn't look like an overhead.
Yeah, he's a little scary. His combos are kinda janky in terms of timing though. or so I've heard.
Rutger
Smash Master
I don't know, when I played Valk I didn't really feel limited mobility wise, not when his air dash took me near full screen.
But that was back when he first came out and I don't really play him anymore. :/
So was CSII released yesterday?
The release date was 12/8 right?
But that was back when he first came out and I don't really play him anymore. :/
So was CSII released yesterday?
The release date was 12/8 right?
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
I'm pretty sure that's next week, Rutger.
Yeah, Valkenhayn feels like a combination of Hazama, Hakumen, and Taokaka and he can easily be compared to Tekkaman in TvC. His combos have very wierd timing. I'm so used to the thought of, "Omg, better hurry with that next hit before they tech!" that I apparently didn't even know huge frame advantage existed.
lol, I found out you can wolf-cancel the 6C for another overhead, land, transform back, and do more stuff.
Yeah, Valkenhayn feels like a combination of Hazama, Hakumen, and Taokaka and he can easily be compared to Tekkaman in TvC. His combos have very wierd timing. I'm so used to the thought of, "Omg, better hurry with that next hit before they tech!" that I apparently didn't even know huge frame advantage existed.
lol, I found out you can wolf-cancel the 6C for another overhead, land, transform back, and do more stuff.
DaiAndOh
Smash Ace
Valk does way too much damage. Other than that, he's a pretty solid character overall with strengths and weaknesses.
Fun fact, 236b normally - 700. 236b CH - around 8k. Not even a fatal.
Fun fact, 236b normally - 700. 236b CH - around 8k. Not even a fatal.
I agree with the "too much damage" part.
His corner combos are ridiculous.
edit: Rutger, CSII comes out in six hours or so in Japan.
His corner combos are ridiculous.
edit: Rutger, CSII comes out in six hours or so in Japan.
Minato
穏やかじゃない
Fighting Valkenhayn was a nightmare for me. He looks like he's getting all nerfs for BBCSII, so that sucks for people that liked him.
Also can't wait for BBCSII so I can see more footage of it for Rachel (are there even any loketest vids of her?) and Platinum.
Also can't wait for BBCSII so I can see more footage of it for Rachel (are there even any loketest vids of her?) and Platinum.
LivewiresXe
Smash Hero
I'm excited for CS2, but well, for obvious reasons of course.
Don't really have good evidence to back this up but Valk might be the best in the game right now which is why he's only getting nerfs.
It's becoming more and more obvious that whenever CS2 comes out I'm going to have to challenge Minato to a Platinum battle.
It's becoming more and more obvious that whenever CS2 comes out I'm going to have to challenge Minato to a Platinum battle.
Valkenhayn is not the best in the game, that's just absurd.
People (read: Xbox players) just haven't learned how to play against him yet because he's so new. If he were really better than Bang or Litchi, or even Hazama, he would already be dominating the tournament scene since he's been out on PS3 for like 2 months now.
Valkenhayn is about where Hakumen is in the tier list, maybe slightly higher, because they both function basically the same. They have good pokes and very damaging combos, but they have poor mobility and get zoned easily.
People (read: Xbox players) just haven't learned how to play against him yet because he's so new. If he were really better than Bang or Litchi, or even Hazama, he would already be dominating the tournament scene since he's been out on PS3 for like 2 months now.
Valkenhayn is about where Hakumen is in the tier list, maybe slightly higher, because they both function basically the same. They have good pokes and very damaging combos, but they have poor mobility and get zoned easily.
X the Derp
Smash Apprentice
I don't think Valk has bad mobility, I saw a good one on 360 who has him on PS3 also. Got past a Hazama that, unlike quite a few online Hazamas, is not garbage. I don't think Valkenhayn's the best, but I wanna know if he is better than Hakumen, because he builds heat up INSANELY fast if he hits you, and his meterless comboes do about as much as Hakumen's 6 magatama consuming comboes. His pokes aren't as good, but his mix-up game is amazing enough to keep pressure on you for a long time. So far, I'd say he's a combination of a nerfed Litchi and (stronger?) Hakumen.
I also want to know if Hazama is better than Hakumen, because I am now hearing that Hakumen is above Hazama from some people. I doubt this is true, but I am not too sure.
I also want to know if Hazama is better than Hakumen, because I am now hearing that Hakumen is above Hazama from some people. I doubt this is true, but I am not too sure.
Minato
穏やかじゃない
lol Yeah, that'd be pretty fun.
Today, I learned that Omoikane (one of Mu's supers) is just weird.
It wins against and loses to things that I didn't think were possible.
/themoreyouknow?
It wins against and loses to things that I didn't think were possible.
/themoreyouknow?
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
I think Hakumen is a god tier.
Omoikane is hilarious. I've been grabbed out of it, jabbed out of it, etc.
Omoikane is hilarious. I've been grabbed out of it, jabbed out of it, etc.
Thino
Smash Master
SuSa
Banned via Administration
I fav'd that video.
It also led to me finding these. hahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U158VC5u6kk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhJSvdX3Bgg&feature=related
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
REJECTED!
10rejects
10rejects
Just so you know, Raz.
Omoikane beats Jayoku clean.
edit: I meant to post this earlier, regarding the Valk thing. I could easily see Valk being as good as Hakumen, but perhaps less so, just in terms of getting zoned. Hakumen can deal with it, but Valk can't really. And he'll never be as good as Hakumen because all of his good mixups come from wolf mode. Is he going to go for a high? A low? A cross-up? It doesn't matter because you can't block in wolf mode, and I'm pretty sure most 5As will wreck whatever he goes for. He's also pretty fragile, with low health and four guard primers. You could say that Hazama has the same thing going for him, except Hazama also has crazy mobility, and can run away, so very rarely will Hazama get his guard broken. Valk has to block, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a reversal. So, yeah. I could definitely see him being about the same as Hakumen, but possibly a little less so. Definitely not as good as Hazama.
/mytwocents
edit2: CSII changes so far: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/show...uum-Shift-II-Changes-NON-HELPFUL-POST-TEMPBAN
Omoikane beats Jayoku clean.
edit: I meant to post this earlier, regarding the Valk thing. I could easily see Valk being as good as Hakumen, but perhaps less so, just in terms of getting zoned. Hakumen can deal with it, but Valk can't really. And he'll never be as good as Hakumen because all of his good mixups come from wolf mode. Is he going to go for a high? A low? A cross-up? It doesn't matter because you can't block in wolf mode, and I'm pretty sure most 5As will wreck whatever he goes for. He's also pretty fragile, with low health and four guard primers. You could say that Hazama has the same thing going for him, except Hazama also has crazy mobility, and can run away, so very rarely will Hazama get his guard broken. Valk has to block, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a reversal. So, yeah. I could definitely see him being about the same as Hakumen, but possibly a little less so. Definitely not as good as Hazama.
/mytwocents
edit2: CSII changes so far: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/show...uum-Shift-II-Changes-NON-HELPFUL-POST-TEMPBAN
Octave
Smash Ace
Idk who has seen this already but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcCK5RleFw&feature=related
Absolutely hilarious.
Lythium add me to the PSN list please
PSN: Octavize
Characters: Makoto, Mu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcCK5RleFw&feature=related
Absolutely hilarious.
Lythium add me to the PSN list please
PSN: Octavize
Characters: Makoto, Mu
Rutger
Smash Master
Hearing what Tager can do to guard primers scares me.
And no Tao info yet, I have no way to know how bad it's really going to be.
And no Tao info yet, I have no way to know how bad it's really going to be.
Wave⁂
Smash Legend
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What happened to Noel's new gattling? Or is it just not on the list?
Oh wait, the list isn't complete, nevermind
GigaBowserXyZ
Smash Journeyman
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[08:00] <jiyuphone> Tager is s tier
[09:01] <jiyuphone> Tager super armor is lol. And his a sledge is good
[09:08] <jiyuphone> Tager taking 2 primers with blockstring
[09:09] <jiyuphone> ****** anyone who bursts
[09:10] <jiyuphone> His super armor is Soooo gay
[09:13] <jiyuphone> Tager is all buffs though
[09:29] <jiyuphone> Tager just took 4 primers in 2 seconds
[09:29] <jiyuphone> Lmao
[09:30] <jiyuphone> He could do 5 with spark bolt
[09:31] <jiyuphone> Blahblah 2c3c rc 6a2c3c spark bolt
[09:31] <jiyuphone> 5 primers
[09:31] <jiyuphone> Into 5500 tager buster combo
[09:32] <jiyuphone> If not just 4k 2c combo
[09:33] <jiyuphone> He is DESTROYING guard now lol
[09:34] <jiyuphone> Just resetting into primer ****
[09:34] <jiyuphone> Barrier and then lose your guard bar and get broken in danger mode
me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsSBPmJKcRs
[09:01] <jiyuphone> Tager super armor is lol. And his a sledge is good
[09:08] <jiyuphone> Tager taking 2 primers with blockstring
[09:09] <jiyuphone> ****** anyone who bursts
[09:10] <jiyuphone> His super armor is Soooo gay
[09:13] <jiyuphone> Tager is all buffs though
[09:29] <jiyuphone> Tager just took 4 primers in 2 seconds
[09:29] <jiyuphone> Lmao
[09:30] <jiyuphone> He could do 5 with spark bolt
[09:31] <jiyuphone> Blahblah 2c3c rc 6a2c3c spark bolt
[09:31] <jiyuphone> 5 primers
[09:31] <jiyuphone> Into 5500 tager buster combo
[09:32] <jiyuphone> If not just 4k 2c combo
[09:33] <jiyuphone> He is DESTROYING guard now lol
[09:34] <jiyuphone> Just resetting into primer ****
[09:34] <jiyuphone> Barrier and then lose your guard bar and get broken in danger mode
me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsSBPmJKcRs
Don't put down science, I guess?
X the Derp
Smash Apprentice
I knew Tager would be s tier, but I didn't thnk he'd have such guard primer ****.
RUSSIAN SCIENCE WINS AGAIN!
RUSSIAN SCIENCE WINS AGAIN!
Minato
穏やかじゃない
I've been hearing good things on Rachel too. She can finally deal high damage again.
I'm still confused on her 5CC change until I get to see it with my own eyes.
Also, I hear the BBCSII patch won't be coming out until Spring 2011...
Can't wait to hear about Tsubaki buffs and Platinum news though.
I'm still confused on her 5CC change until I get to see it with my own eyes.
Also, I hear the BBCSII patch won't be coming out until Spring 2011...
Can't wait to hear about Tsubaki buffs and Platinum news though.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Apparently Hazama's zoning with Ouroboros is now even more ridiculous. Word on the street is high tier, so I guess we'll see. *shrugs*