TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[UncleSam]

No sky realm?
there are always at least 1 of those in a fantasy game.

 

[payasofobia]

The High-Altitude cliffs already cover that.

 

[Xiahou Dun]

Unless we agree that it is realistically possible that a sword could posess and change SIegfriend into Nightmare then I see no reason why JOE needs to make any decision on swapping Nightmare for Siegfried.

Train of reason as I see it is.

In Game without reality
Siegfried>Posessed>Nightmare

In this thread trying to add reality
Siegfried>Can't be posessed>Doesn't become Nightmare>Still Siegfried when he fights the Black whatshisface

 

[payasofobia]

So he is still Siegfried? Sounds good to me.

 

[JOE!]

yeah, he only recently split....theyre essentially the same dood...


also no lava world paya?

 

[payasofobia]

The mine covers that too. I am trying to make all worlds have several different elements. Example:



Mine: mountain ranges, mechanical places AKA the mine, lava areas, caverns and a temple flooded with lava.

Catacomb: graveyard, ruined church, catacombs, ritual room and a shrine to a blasphemous god.

Battlefield: prairies, trenches, main camp, base outer walls and the inner base.


Like that.

 

[Sieguest]

Needs null-gravity space shenanigans.

 

[payasofobia]

I have been thinking about adding a space world, but I feared it may be too out of place for the game. Should I still try it?


On another note: do we all agree that Sieg-fried's sword is too big to be used effectively, making him lose against the BK?


Also: what's up with fantasy characters and their hilariously oversized swords?


P.S: silicon boobs should be made illegal. That **** looks bad.

 

[Sieguest]

I have been thinking about adding a space world, but I feared it may be too out of place for the game. Should I still try it?

Branch it off from the high altitude cliffs somehow.

On another note: do we all agree that Sieg-fried's sword is too big to be used effectively, making him lose against the BK?


Also: what's up with fantasy characters and their hilariously oversized swords?

1)Iunno

2)Everyone likes the lean guy with a big sword. Young children think the person is BA. And Fangirls trip over themselves. And other gamers have something to laugh at as they pick the girl with a slim sword and proceed to kick tale....

/miadabessinfeevernuffsaid

P.S: silicon boobs should be made illegal. That **** looks bad.

o.o

 

[payasofobia]

Branch it off from the high altitude cliffs somehow.

What the hell. I am making that **** a bonus stage.

The requirements for getting there will be difficult and the stage will involve giant robotsfighting aliens somehow.

o.o

Don't play innocent on me. You know it's true.

 

[Sieguest]

What the hell. I am making that **** a bonus stage.

The requirements for getting there will be difficult and the stage will involve giant robotsfighting aliens somehow.

The cliffs? Or space? x.x

Don't play innocent on me. You know it's true.

I haven't stared at girls' chest enough to discern such a thing.

 

[payasofobia]

The cliffs? Or space? x.x







I haven't stared at girls' chest enough to discern such a thing.

Space and.....not even at puberty? Are you human?....assuming you are a man, of course.

 

[Sieguest]

Space and.....not even at puberty? Are you human?....assuming you are a man, of course.

I am human. Just not interested at the moment.

 

[Nihongo-ookami]

@Payas: How about a mountain pass, with a small village in the background. Kids running around and cheering, and stuff, with old people placing bets?

@the MU: Well... think of it this way.

Black Knight has a lot more experience, plus range, considering that he can attack from afar with a shockwave from the sword.

Nightmare has power, and his armor is somewhat thicker, but most of it covers his legs. His sword is larger, but I would think that his size and the weight of the sword would hamper his mobility.

Black Knight also has Armor, which covers his entire body. Nightmare's armor is mostly on his legs, and parts of his chest. By the time Nightmare got in range of Alondite's shockwaves, he would be vulnerable.

Spoiler

Would we be taking into account the fact that Soul Edge is completely Evil, and Alondite is blessed by Ashera. I wouldn't think that we would take that into account... but is it something we should factor in?

 

[Sieguest]

Would we be taking into account the fact that Soul Edge is completely Evil, and Alondite is blessed by Ashera. I wouldn't think that we would take that into account... but is it something we should factor in?

We wouldn't factor that in. It wouldn't be realistic. x.x

While I'm backtracking:

@NaCl
I meant it relating to their style. No man ever wielded a Zweihander like Nightmare and the BK do.

Oh okay, I see what you're saying. Could they not used two handed techniques though?

 

[Nihongo-ookami]

We wouldn't factor that in. It wouldn't be realistic. x.x

kk, just checking.

 

[payasofobia]

@the MU:

We are talking about how they would fight if they fought IRL. No shockwaves or blessings here.

@Payas: How about a mountain pass, with a small village in the background. Kids running around and cheering, and stuff, with old people placing bets?

If they are all brain-dead zombies possessed by demons, then alright.

Sounds good.

 

[UncleSam]

P.S: silicon boobs should be made illegal. That **** looks bad.

so much this.
don't make me break out pics.

EDIT: no carnival Paya? that's like, classic zombie location right there.

 

[ElPanandero]

Well since I don't feel either fighter can efficiently wield their weapons (unless Bk has outside training, which he may, or I'm overestimating the weight of his sword) Bk still has it with the superior armor.

 

[UncleSam]

Well since I don't feel either fighter can efficiently wield their weapons (unless Bk has outside training, which he may, or I'm overestimating the weight of his sword) Bk still has it with the superior armor.

He was Trained by Ike's Father for a very long time.
Zelgius always used big swords, the Alondite is no different.

 

[ElPanandero]

Well as I recall, Alondite is equal in size an strength to Ragnell, which we ruled a zweli, did we not?

And my only problem with Greil's style is that is was largely One-handed (IIRC of course) which would make it more difficult for him to efficiently use a zweli, which would require two hands. While he may be able to use and swing the sword in combat, if he only uses Greil's style and the augmentation of it (the in game animations never show him wielding with two hands [except in that one PoR cut scene when the lock blades, but meh]). The style would most likely not be able to be translated into real life.

 

[UncleSam]

Well as I recall, Alondite is equal in size an strength to Ragnell, which we ruled a zweli, did we not?

And my only problem with Greil's style is that is was largely One-handed (IIRC of course) which would make it more difficult for him to efficiently use a zweli, which would require two hands. While he may be able to use and swing the sword in combat, if he only uses Greil's style and the augmentation of it (the in game animations never show him wielding with two hands [except in that one PoR cut scene when the lock blades, but meh]). The style would most likely not be able to be translated into real life.

depends on the torque. how fast and far he swings it determines the foot-pounds behind the sword, if he's strong enough to handle that weight then it could be possible.

hey, Ike used one hand as well.

 

[ElPanandero]

I don't think I was here for Ike, was he allowed to use one hand in this thread?

Either way, I suppose you're probably right. Without more information, we can't decide on the extent of his ability. Regardless, Bk should probably win with having a more maneuverable weapon superior weapon.

 

[goldwyvern]

Personally, Im sick of the "Lol sword iz 2 big" stuff thats been going down this season. From what I gather, Zweihander swords (apparently the kind of swords all these larger swords are) are between 4-10 pounds, can be up to 6 feet long, and have been used by real people during the course of history. Given what I know the Black Knight and Nightmare (I say we still use Nightmare BTW, as Siegfried is essentially a different character outside of story), I knowthat Black Knight has had some quality training from Ike's father, and given that Ike can use his sword that is roughly the same size as BK's viably (at the very least two-handed), We can assume that BK can as he seems more physically adept than Ike to a small extent. Nightmare, on the other hand, is essentially use his larger sword one-handed, which will be one hell of tough job, but given his stature and strength, as well as his showing of effective two-handed combat, I say Nightmare has the proficiency to at least have a swordfight with BK without it being too one-sided.

Nightmare's hand isnt a tumor. Tumors are generally cancerous, and given that the SC4 design we're using his mostly a suit of armor (at least in that hand area, where it looks like its actually covered by armor), I dont think its causing him any health issues. I can tell it will throw hm off balance to a noticable extent, but its actually not that big given a bit of consideration. I say its no wider than 2 feet in diameter and no heavier than 5 pounds. Also, given that he can lift the hand, he can use it as an impromptu shield that cannot be disarmed from his person, which gives him a slightly larger area of defense. Also if that thing hits you in the face youll certainly be dazed for a second.

Speaking of such, Black Knigth is certainly better in the defense category. Nightmare's form isnt covered by various parts of his armor, and Im sure being stabbed in that firey core thing in his abdomen will probably hurt a good amount. BK's armor is full body, well-plated, and not too cumbersome. It will definately be less of a burden to him, allowing him to essentially outspeed Nightmare as well as Out-manuever him. Nightmare's sword would need a good few well-placed focused cleaves to get through that armor, and I dont see his hand denting it.

Overall, Nightmare can last a while, but BK has a large advantage. I see BK winning 850 out of 1000 fights.

 

[payasofobia]

That's cool and all.

But I would give it a 1000-0 in favour of Black Knight for one simple reason:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR1gCSO9NB0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un1M7xbCCIs&feature=related

3:00 minutes in for both.


Those are simple 35 lbs swords. And they are pretty small compared to other swords used in anime and whatnot. They were wielded by a very big irish man who is an expert blacksmith and has wielded several swords before. Guess what happened?

Sword's size combined with how the weight was proportioned made them very awkward to use and deal very little damage compared to what a smaller sword could.

And this is what kills Nightmare, regardless of the fact that he has a tumour or not: noone, no matter how strong, can wield that thing he calls a sword in the real life. It is even bigger than the swords shown above.

At least the Blacki Knight could use his sword with two hands, regardless of how he was trained. Black Knight can't, whetter he uses one or two hands.

 

[ElPanandero]

I think Payas has it right.

While we refer to Nightmare's sword has a Zweihander, it's only because of he fact that it is the closest name for what he has. Nightmare's sword is most likely heavier than the heaviest of swords...that makes it so unorthodox,

Also, a quick note about Zweihanders that people may or may not have forgotten. They were created for fights with Pikemen and horsemen. Against other swordsmen or foot soldiers, they weren't as heavily used, probably because they weren't as efficient as other choices

 

[UncleSam]

At least the Blacki Knight could use his sword with two hands, regardless of how he was trained. Black Knight can't, whetter he uses one or two hands.

lolwut...

At least Zelgius could use his sword with two hands, regardless of how he was trained. Siegfried can't, whetter he uses one or two hands.

fixed.

 

[payasofobia]

Zelgius is the Black Knight?!

What the ****?! How can such a minor character be the Black Knight? God****, how dissapointing.

 

[UncleSam]

Zelgius is the Black Knight?!

What the ****?! How can such a minor character be the Black Knight? God****, how dissapointing.

wait, you didn't know?
have you not played Radiant Dawn?
EDIT: if you look up BK on the FE wiki it goes straight to Zelgius' page.
http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Knight_(character)

 

[payasofobia]

I am still at the stage where the Black Kinght saves that useless wh0re.

I have been spoiled.....

 

[UncleSam]

I beat that game a long time ago.

Zelgius plays a very important part in this game how is he smalltime?
EDIT: I think I might play it again.

 

[ElPanandero]

I was trying to do it on hard, and whenever I play through a game another playthrough, I use different characters from my previous, resulting in a harder party on harder difficulty...Ill thought out on my end, so I play i much less frequently do to rage-quits.

Also, anyone hate the last level of Radiant Dawn? I have an unfinished file on the last level because I don't have a strong enough party to survive (gotta love trying to give weak characters love in RD >.>)

 

[payasofobia]

That problem could have been solved if they did what they did in other games and gave you an overpowered non-bonus character in the last mission, so you get a chance even if your party is not strong enough.

But the makers of these games are ******* so they didn't do that.



Also, how are you gonna make your character in the new game? I am going to give him blue hair, a bandana, make him a mercenary, give him the "common folk" backstory and name him Ike. I will also name his sword Ettard.

 

[ElPanandero]

Is the new game for the regs DS? Maybe I'll sill get it then...of course I was not a fan of shadow dragon (I abused the teleport staff's infinite range to beat the last level, hehe so idk if this next one is gonna wow me anymore.

 

[payasofobia]

Speaking of 3DS, I wonder how the pirates will circunvent over the whole motion controls/touch screen/3D convo. And yeah, I think the 3D counts because I know Nintendo will make games with challenges that require the 3D view to beat.

 

[JOE!]

Nah, Ganon's sword was considered a Zweil..while we kinda had Ike with a claymore more or less....no?

 

[Nova9000]

Regardless, me thinks that BK has this for the aforementioned reasons.

 

[Nihongo-ookami]

That problem could have been solved if they did what they did in other games and gave you an overpowered non-bonus character in the last mission, so you get a chance even if your party is not strong enough.

But the makers of these games are ******* so they didn't do that.



Also, how are you gonna make your character in the new game? I am going to give him blue hair, a bandana, make him a mercenary, give him the "common folk" backstory and name him Ike. I will also name his sword Ettard.

...
THERE'S A NEW GAME COMING OUT?

...*fansqueal*

 

[UncleSam]

I was trying to do it on hard, and whenever I play through a game another playthrough, I use different characters from my previous, resulting in a harder party on harder difficulty...Ill thought out on my end, so I play i much less frequently do to rage-quits.

Also, anyone hate the last level of Radiant Dawn? I have an unfinished file on the last level because I don't have a strong enough party to survive (gotta love trying to give weak characters love in RD >.>)

pssh no, the last boss was mad easy, use laguz and your strongest char. to break the protection around ashera and spam Shinon and Ike on Ashera to win, Ashera can't counterattack Shinon and Ike does massive damage.

That problem could have been solved if they did what they did in other games and gave you an overpowered non-bonus character in the last mission, so you get a chance even if your party is not strong enough.

they did, you get all the laguz kings at the beginning of Part 4.
also if you've beaten the game once and do certain requirements you get to use sephiram in the final mission.

Also, how are you gonna make your character in the new game? I am going to give him blue hair, a bandana, make him a mercenary, give him the "common folk" backstory and name him Ike. I will also name his sword Ettard.

All I know is I'm making him a mercenary because the hero class as been broken in every single FE game created.

...
THERE'S A NEW GAME COMING OUT?

...*fansqueal*

It's coming out in Japan in 10 days, it's a remake of FE2

 

[Diddy Kong]

Shinon is ****ing overpowered in RD. Not so much in PoR though imo.

And yes, the final chapter is mad easy. Nihil for Laguz Kings and Shinon. Then move the dragons close, let the birds attack first, then Caineghis -> Ike - win.

Also, I say Nightmare would probably win this. Bigger weapon = more reach and power. But, the Black Knight can have lances so I dunno.