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TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT
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Sgt. Baker
Smash Ace
This is a non-canon fight. Those kind of abilities are null.
I like the way you think.
going into a coma slows down your aging process... as long as you're in the coma of course. It's really weird.
Sgt. Baker
Smash Ace
You learn something new every day
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Oh, wow. Groudon and Dialga are both surprisingly light. A rhino is almost twice as heavy as Groudon. And their size isn't as impressive as the size comparisons in the games make them seem IRL. An elephant, a certainly big but not monstrously big creature, is bigger than Groudon himself. It seems like creating earthquakes is right out for Groudon.
I was gonna call Square-Cube shennanigans, but it seems that the Pokemon designers thought of that issue. It is amazing in hindsight.
Anyway, I beleive Groudon has this for a few reasons:
1) Better armour: if those red scales are what I think they are, they should provide plenty of protection against all of Dialga's attacks, so attacking Groudon from behind won't amount to much and Dialga will, instead, be forced to attack from the front, where Groudon can counter attack. Also, another thing that Dialga has to watch out for which I am going to talk about in the next point.
On contrast, Dialga lacks any visible armour besides a few steel plates around his body which don't cover much. But that's not the worst thing. Look at his incredibly long, unprotected neck. And legs too. Remember what happened to charizard because of his long neck? What happened to Sonic becaus eof his long feet?
2) More and better options: Look at Groudon's claws and fangs. Or mouth for that matter. They are really friggin big. And even better, remember that aspect I mentioned last part? Loot at Groudon's tail and the sides of his body. There are GIANT FRIGGIN HORNS ON THE SIDE OF HIS BODY JESUS CHRIST! And more importantly, HIS TAIL! And', if you haven't heard it already, getting smashed by the tail of a T-Rex was not a nice experience.
Compare with Dialga who has no horns on his tail to use as weapons or protection and has small fangs and mouth.
Lamely.
Dialga does have sharper and potentialy more dangerous claws than Groudon, and he also has access to horns, but try using a knife against solidified lava. Won't do much.
3) Weight, height. and stance: this does make a difference. The fact that Groudon is so heavy and Dialga is so tall doesn't help Dialga at all. Hell, if you stop to think things troughly, you'll realize that Dialga height is nothing that special.
Dialga is taller!....but that's because his neck, legs AND crown are so long. Groudon still has more girth than Dialga.
And about weight, just think about this: weight itself makes such a big difference in confrontations that they created rules in different sports to separate people from different weights to keep the heavyweights from crushing lightweights.
Dialga fighting Groudon would equal a 150 pound man fighting a 200 pound heavyweight. Not fair at all. Just knocking Groudon down would be difficult.
Which brings me to my last point: stance. Groudon is standing in such a way that knocking him down to reveal his softer underbelly is very difficult. He is a perpetual hunchback. Making him fall flat on his *** would be very difficult, and making him fall on his face will amount to little because of his armour.
Dialga may have the mobility advantage, but that advantage means little if you pit it against an inpenetrable defense. Just look at the Ninja vs Spartan match in The Deadliest Warrior.
And these are the reasons why I think Groudon has the obvious advantage here and wins this fight. This is, basicaly, a Giraffe figthing a Rhino.
I was gonna call Square-Cube shennanigans, but it seems that the Pokemon designers thought of that issue. It is amazing in hindsight.
Anyway, I beleive Groudon has this for a few reasons:
1) Better armour: if those red scales are what I think they are, they should provide plenty of protection against all of Dialga's attacks, so attacking Groudon from behind won't amount to much and Dialga will, instead, be forced to attack from the front, where Groudon can counter attack. Also, another thing that Dialga has to watch out for which I am going to talk about in the next point.
On contrast, Dialga lacks any visible armour besides a few steel plates around his body which don't cover much. But that's not the worst thing. Look at his incredibly long, unprotected neck. And legs too. Remember what happened to charizard because of his long neck? What happened to Sonic becaus eof his long feet?
2) More and better options: Look at Groudon's claws and fangs. Or mouth for that matter. They are really friggin big. And even better, remember that aspect I mentioned last part? Loot at Groudon's tail and the sides of his body. There are GIANT FRIGGIN HORNS ON THE SIDE OF HIS BODY JESUS CHRIST! And more importantly, HIS TAIL! And', if you haven't heard it already, getting smashed by the tail of a T-Rex was not a nice experience.
Compare with Dialga who has no horns on his tail to use as weapons or protection and has small fangs and mouth.
Lamely.
Dialga does have sharper and potentialy more dangerous claws than Groudon, and he also has access to horns, but try using a knife against solidified lava. Won't do much.
3) Weight, height. and stance: this does make a difference. The fact that Groudon is so heavy and Dialga is so tall doesn't help Dialga at all. Hell, if you stop to think things troughly, you'll realize that Dialga height is nothing that special.
Dialga is taller!....but that's because his neck, legs AND crown are so long. Groudon still has more girth than Dialga.
And about weight, just think about this: weight itself makes such a big difference in confrontations that they created rules in different sports to separate people from different weights to keep the heavyweights from crushing lightweights.
Dialga fighting Groudon would equal a 150 pound man fighting a 200 pound heavyweight. Not fair at all. Just knocking Groudon down would be difficult.
Which brings me to my last point: stance. Groudon is standing in such a way that knocking him down to reveal his softer underbelly is very difficult. He is a perpetual hunchback. Making him fall flat on his *** would be very difficult, and making him fall on his face will amount to little because of his armour.
Dialga may have the mobility advantage, but that advantage means little if you pit it against an inpenetrable defense. Just look at the Ninja vs Spartan match in The Deadliest Warrior.
And these are the reasons why I think Groudon has the obvious advantage here and wins this fight. This is, basicaly, a Giraffe figthing a Rhino.
At least I think you don't. I know since the brain shuts down your mindset doesn't age, everything else is kinda fuzzy.You learn something new every day
well we can at least cryogenically freeze ppl so it's okay.
anyway paya, I think this would explain Dialga's skin:
maybe.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Well, I dunno. It's hard to tell thanks to the simplistic colouring style Dialga has.
But I doubt that would help much, seeing blunt force and all that.
But I doubt that would help much, seeing blunt force and all that.
better than nothing I guess.
*shrug*
I cant believe in any way that gray fox beat sephiroth. I'm not biased either. MGS is probably my favorite series of all time, but how in the hell is gray fox gonna beat sephiroth. Has anyone seen FF advent children. That's it. Its over right there. Sephiroth literallly could beat him by snapping his fingers.
Anyways, about this matchup, there really shouldnt be too many things that can beat dialga. He can move freely through time. He could do multiple things tp end groudon. He could stop time and just beat the living hell out of groudon while he cant do anything with his plethora of ridiculous moves. Or.... he could go back into time far enough to where groudon was a baby or lvl 1 (i know he starts at lvl 40 on the games, but hehad to be low level at SOME time right?) or whatever you wanna call it, and just kill him then. Either way, game, set, match.
Anyways, about this matchup, there really shouldnt be too many things that can beat dialga. He can move freely through time. He could do multiple things tp end groudon. He could stop time and just beat the living hell out of groudon while he cant do anything with his plethora of ridiculous moves. Or.... he could go back into time far enough to where groudon was a baby or lvl 1 (i know he starts at lvl 40 on the games, but hehad to be low level at SOME time right?) or whatever you wanna call it, and just kill him then. Either way, game, set, match.
MarthTrinity
Smash Lord
This isn't a canon fight though. In reality, Sephiroth has a sword too big to use and really has nothing special about him that could stand up against Gray Fox's superior weapon and battle suit. Sephiroth is basically fighting an invisible opponent without a weapon.
On Groudon vs. Dialga, I have to go with Groudon here. Even if Dialga could use ranged fire blasts, I'm sure Groudon would be used to intense heats like that or would at least be able to plow through it. Once he gets in close, Dialga's got nothing.
On Groudon vs. Dialga, I have to go with Groudon here. Even if Dialga could use ranged fire blasts, I'm sure Groudon would be used to intense heats like that or would at least be able to plow through it. Once he gets in close, Dialga's got nothing.
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At this rate, there's going to have to be a big/bolded "THIS IS NOT A CANON FIGHT" post at the top of every page.
Or at least l2readOP
Anyway, I agree that Dialga's size...advantage, I guess, doesn't really help it much here. Judging from the shape of its feet, it looks like it'd have a hella awkward time trying to approach, let alone trying to use them as weapons. If they are really sharp/hard, they could be used for slicing Groudon's underbelly, though.
Groudon on the other hand seemingly has the advantage with claws/teeth and his armor/hide being all around him, as opposed to Dialga'sbrachest/headset/tail plates. While its tail looks like a powerful weapon, I don't see him being able to swing it anything like a T-rex, and think Dialga would have an easier time doing any tail attacks. Groudon's posture/short legs would mean it needs its tail for balance most likely. I think all Groudon would need is its arms, or a tackle to knock over Dialga. D tipping over would pretty much let G slice/bite its neck/2,000-lbs-of-fury body slam/Dialga would seemingly have trouble getting back up.
Or at least l2readOP
Anyway, I agree that Dialga's size...advantage, I guess, doesn't really help it much here. Judging from the shape of its feet, it looks like it'd have a hella awkward time trying to approach, let alone trying to use them as weapons. If they are really sharp/hard, they could be used for slicing Groudon's underbelly, though.
Groudon on the other hand seemingly has the advantage with claws/teeth and his armor/hide being all around him, as opposed to Dialga's
groudon's leg size wouldn't let him run if he tried. His tail would also be dead weight if he tried running. his legs are just too small compared to his body. he can still bite/slash tho. Dialga has much better balance than Groudon due to four legs. Dialga could possibly Stomp on Groudon or impale him with that massive... thing... sticking out of the back of his skull... you know what I mean.
Groudon's limbs allow him to suppress Dialga better since he can hold him back with hands and weight. It's like a large and heavy person who has tough plated skin vs. a metal horse.
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Horses can't run metal obv.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
So this is a cripple special needs slow beasts fight.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Which means that Dialga will fight blindly. He is even more crippled in need of special attention slow than Groudon.
Beren Zaiga
Smash Ace
I agree on all points, but looking Groudon, there is another factor that needs determination: Just how deep is his armor-like skin? Looking at his skin, its obvious there is some thickness to it, but does that include the black part of his body? The black areas appear to be his actual skin to me, does that mean it is softer, and easier to penetrate? I dunno, maybe not considering how little the thickness between his skin and that part is very small.
Dialga is deeply in trouble though. All his weapons are behind him, and Groudon's are all in front. Any scenario where Groudon attacks Dialga from behind doesn't help much, as all he really has to attack with then is his tail, and as long as his neck is, he isn't Mr.Fantastic. So he can't reach behind him.
Groudon has this.
Dialga is deeply in trouble though. All his weapons are behind him, and Groudon's are all in front. Any scenario where Groudon attacks Dialga from behind doesn't help much, as all he really has to attack with then is his tail, and as long as his neck is, he isn't Mr.Fantastic. So he can't reach behind him.
Groudon has this.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Leon time now?
Nihongo-ookami
Smash Journeyman
payasofobia
Smash Champion
That is....the greatest ****ing idea I have heard all day.
MAKE IT HAPPEN JOE!
EDIT: All future Sephiroth matches in a nutshell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozAjuxRKo1k
MAKE IT HAPPEN JOE!
EDIT: All future Sephiroth matches in a nutshell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozAjuxRKo1k
xepherthree
Smash Ace
...I should probably change my avatar.
...
Yeah. Wasn't on for roughly forever because my Wii got stolen, and not having brawl made my existence on the forum kind of moot. Just getting back into it, Shaking off the rust.
-Doesn't dare to read all that I've missed-
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Yeah. Wasn't on for roughly forever because my Wii got stolen, and not having brawl made my existence on the forum kind of moot. Just getting back into it, Shaking off the rust.
-Doesn't dare to read all that I've missed-
Sgt. Baker
Smash Ace
Wow, I never put those together before. lol
"Let us cross swords in the name of dreams!"
REL38
Smash Lord
GAAAAAAAAAASSSP
I thought you abandoned us
JOE!
Smash Hero
resident evil leon? or is there another one?
(herp derp tired brain)
(herp derp tired brain)
0:23
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn
EDIT: Kefka's a pedo.
so? I don't play brawl much and I'm still here.
this leon.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
And he should use the Riot Shotgun, a Blacktail, a knife and two concussion hand grenades. Take away a few of them if that makes him too broken.
That's what he used in the Mercenaries.
That's what he used in the Mercenaries.
I can catch you up. But yea...it's time for a new avatar.
Good to see you back tho. At least we know you haven't bit the dust.
Now for HOLOpaW....
payasofobia
Smash Champion
HOLOpaw.....had a hard life.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Thanks Nova.
...And at the MU, I'mma go with Groudon. Don't really feel like I need to explain myself.
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...And at the MU, I'mma go with Groudon. Don't really feel like I need to explain myself.
JOE!
Smash Hero
So...i still dont know what leon that is
MarthTrinity
Smash Lord
It's Resident Evil Leon; he's just in an alternate costume.
JOE!
Smash Hero
right-o....
I didnt recognize him XD
anyways, if I make that MU, i'd need to swtch the order in which they appear, and make a new MU for a certain raider of tombs....
I didnt recognize him XD
anyways, if I make that MU, i'd need to swtch the order in which they appear, and make a new MU for a certain raider of tombs....
REL38
Smash Lord
You mean Samus?
We already got her
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Add Scorpion.
We can't have enough undead ninjas from hell.
We can't have enough undead ninjas from hell.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
We are adding someone from TWEWY.
Josh or Sho.
Otherwise you guys would be zetta fail.
Josh or Sho.
Otherwise you guys would be zetta fail.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Filthy JRPG peasants.
Bow down to the WRPG master race.
Bow down to the WRPG master race.
Beren Zaiga
Smash Ace
I think it needs addressing before Leon VS Dante, at least for five minutes or so.
But...