Super Smash Bros. Infinite Project (Finally Finished!???)

[Ramen Tengoku]

Screw it, I'm flipping my vote

Venus brought up a good point about it all being optional, plus I'd rather not tick off a mult-billion dollar company. And hey, more content.

 

[Golden Icarus]

Everyone basically accept that offer only for the extra character, don't lie about it

Correct. And I’m okay with that.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Did you specify that before? Because I think that would've made it way less divisive if we knew that (or it was spelled more clearly) in the first place

The original intent of keeping Twitter content locked behind linking the account still stands but I should of clarified more on that issue in my post. Sorry about that.

As well, I have no intent to include a Twitter character due to a request by Twitter and Nintendo/Sakurai/development team still have the priority on executive decisions. We are agreeing (or disagreeing) to this particular package and any other requested content is deemed outside of this package. Therefore, it’s up for us to decide wether to allow it to be included or not.

(To make matters more interesting, I had an unaffiliated to this project person act as Twitter.)

 

[cashregister9]

The original intent of keeping Twitter content locked behind linking the account still stands but I should of clarified more on that issue in my post. Sorry about that.

As well, I have no intent to include a Twitter character due to a request by Twitter and Nintendo/Sakurai/development team still have the priority on executive decisions. We are agreeing (or disagreeing) to this particular package and any other requested content is deemed outside of this package. Therefore, it’s up for us to decide wether to allow it to be included or not.

(To make matters more interesting, I had an unaffiliated to this project person act as Twitter.)

Is it safe to assume that this deal will have no effect on the status of Non-videogame content in this project?

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Important question: is Twitter planning on making a Twitter game? If that's the case, we MIGHT be safe...

Not that I know of

The tournament is the only downside I see to Twitter content getting in, that and the Jack Dorsey costume - but frankly that's way too ridiculous to get angry over, especially when you consider Smash is a giant ad as is.

Now I think about it, if my vote won... would we be mandated to add a PlayStation rep?

That would depend on the conditions of such an agreement as each company is different. Like my previous point, I don’t intend to have us include characters that are typically in unavailable outside of launch content/dlc.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Not that I know of



That would depend on the conditions of such an agreement as each company is different. Like my previous point, I don’t intend to have us include characters that are typically in unavailable outside of launch content/dlc.

I meant in this hypothetical scenario.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Is it safe to assume that this deal will have no effect on the status of Non-videogame content in this project?

That is correct and we are still not allowing for non-video game content. That being said, it does open up a precedent though so we need to be careful.

I meant in this hypothetical scenario.

I know and I was as well
There isn’t any Twitte game that is in the works that Nintendo is aware of

Now, I’m not sure if Twitter is open to negotiations but we might as well try to pitch some ideas on how to make this content more appealing to both marketers and consumers as, I feel, a good amount of fans might not like this. It could be bad publicity for both companies.

To the thread,

Without removing the content, what would you recommend as a way to skirt their requests to make it more appealing and acceptable but also keeping our end of the bargain? This is of course if we agree to this deal.

 

[Yiptap]

No offense, but how would a freaking VERIFICATION BUTTON work as a spirit? I feel like Larry the Bird would work, but I’m not sure about the others. And also, would the Jack Dorsley Mii costume work like a normal Mii, or would he be like Cuphead and Sans (with the Mr. Dorsley Mii costume being a cartoon version of himself).

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

That is correct and we are still not allowing for non-video game content. That being said, it does open up a precedent though so we need to be careful.




I know and I was as well
There isn’t any Twitte game that is in the works that Nintendo is aware of

Now, I’m not sure if Twitter is open to negotiations but we might as well try to pitch some ideas on how to make this content more appealing to both marketers and consumers as, I feel, a good amount of fans might not like this. It could be bad publicity for both companies.

To the thread,

Without removing the content, what would you recommend as a way to skirt their requests to make it more appealing and acceptable but also keeping our end of the bargain? This is of course if we agree to this deal.

Some ideas:
Disabling the Twitter Mii costumes from Quickplay, public arenas, and shared content. I don't know if using them in online friend battles would be allowed though, but I assume not

Including the Twitter Spirits in a new "Promotional" tier where they are just battles and no purpose other than that, only appearing in their own sector of the Spirit list and as such don't factor in to the total Spirit count. This would allow us to do more licensed Spirits, a la Splatoon's licensed Splatfests.

Don't tell players in- or out-game that the Twitter content exists, and simply have it be considered a bonus for signing up rather than a promotion for signing up.

 

[cashregister9]

No offense, but how would a freaking VERIFICATION BUTTON work as a spirit? I feel like Larry the Bird would work, but I’m not sure about the others. And also, would the Jack Dorsley Mii costume work like a normal Mii, or would he be like Cuphead and Sans (with the Mr. Dorsley Mii costume being a cartoon version of himself).

I mean The Smash Ball is a spirit. That is not the most Far-fetched idea.

 

[Jomosensual]

That is correct and we are still not allowing for non-video game content. That being said, it does open up a precedent though so we need to be careful.




I know and I was as well
There isn’t any Twitte game that is in the works that Nintendo is aware of

Now, I’m not sure if Twitter is open to negotiations but we might as well try to pitch some ideas on how to make this content more appealing to both marketers and consumers as, I feel, a good amount of fans might not like this. It could be bad publicity for both companies.

To the thread,

Without removing the content, what would you recommend as a way to skirt their requests to make it more appealing and acceptable but also keeping our end of the bargain? This is of course if we agree to this deal.

If I read the post before correctly, I think what you said about making it only for people who connect accounts is a great start. It avoids forcing 4th party material into the game and only exists for those who want it to exist.

That being said, I'm still on the fence a bit. I think one compromise that could be made is that instead of using the exact names of twitter and Jack Dorsey, maybe we can make them just references to them instead? Like keep the likenesses and pay them for that but instead rename them to something different? I feel like going the wink wink nudge nudge route wouldn't be a bad move here

 

[Otoad64]

EDIT: Hold on, I thought of something and needed to get it out before I sleep.
What if we decline to negotiate with Twitter and, as a result, they purposely try to keep our game from getting too much advertisement on their platform? (i.e. shadowbanning Smash fan accounts, hiding Tweets made with the Infinite hashtag, etc)
Just something to think about.

Twitter's not that petty

...

are they?

 

[Yiptap]

I mean The Smash Ball is a spirit. That is not the most Far-fetched idea.

Ah, I forgot about that. I stand corrected.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

If I read the post before correctly, I think what you said about making it only for people who connect accounts is a great start. It avoids forcing 4th party material into the game and only exists for those who want it to exist.

That being said, I'm still on the fence a bit. I think one compromise that could be made is that instead of using the exact names of twitter and Jack Dorsey, maybe we can make them just references to them instead? Like keep the likenesses and pay them for that but instead rename them to something different? I feel like going the wink wink nudge nudge route wouldn't be a bad move here

Given how obscure a piece of trivia the "Larry the Bird" name is we can keep that. Jack could be changed to "CEO costume" perhaps?

 

[Yiptap]

Given how obscure a piece of trivia the "Larry the Bird" name is we can keep that. Jack could be changed to "CEO costume" perhaps?

I really like the idea of changing the Jack costume to “CEO Costume” to make it more generic, but wouldn’t that just be the business suit costume again?

 

[cashregister9]

I really like the idea of changing the Jack costume to “CEO Costume” to make it more generic, but wouldn’t that just be the business suit costume again?

They could do something like adding a Verified button to the lapel and cufflinks and using a different suit style.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I really like the idea of changing the Jack costume to “CEO Costume” to make it more generic, but wouldn’t that just be the business suit costume again?

Maybe it could be blue? The business suit only changes the tie with colour so I think that's a good way to distinguish.

 

[Jomosensual]

Given how obscure a piece of trivia the "Larry the Bird" name is we can keep that. Jack could be changed to "CEO costume" perhaps?

Yeah, I think that would be a solid plan. We could probably change the retweet spirit to resmash and the verified to the confirmed smasher maybe? Guess I'm not crazy about the latter one but mostly just throwing ideas out there

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Yeah, I think that would be a solid plan. We could probably change the retweet spirit to resmash and the verified to the confirmed smasher maybe? Guess I'm not crazy about the latter one but mostly just throwing ideas out there

Verified is a generic enough term. Retweet could be changed to "Repost".

 

[cashregister9]

I'll change my vote if if we go with renaming the costume to CEO Outfit and making it a more generic costume but with a Twitter themed flair.

Because it makes it a Twitter themed Mii costume while also seeming less narcissistic and more timeless.

 

[Otoad64]

I feel like the only name that should be changed is Jack Dorsey, maybe the Retweet one but I feel we could let that one slide

anyway I just remembered to update the stages so there's that.

 

[cashregister9]

I feel like the only name that should be changed is Jack Dorsey, maybe the Retweet one but I feel we could let that one slide

anyway I just remembered to update the stages so there's that.
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Cloud Sea and the Twitter stage appear to be missing. You've been doing great with these so far though.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

OK if I make an unsolicited suggestion for a job? Inspired by their absence from Otoad's stages image, I think it'd be fun to try to degenericise Big and Small Battlefield - basically choosing a theme that isn't just Battlefield, whether it be a new original theme, or something from an existing game.

 

[Krookodilian]

Finding some way to have the Jack Dorsey Mii Costume not actually be called Jack Dorsey would go a long way. I think a good compromise would have a Mii called Jack Dorsey be downloaded to your Mii list when linking your twitter, but the actual costume pieces being called CEO suit and Goatee, or something along those lines. Not sure we really need twitter cuff links or anything like that, it would make it harder to use for other Miis if it had twitter specific references. Not really sure how a Larry the Bird costume would work, since the bird isn't remotely humanoid.

I think having only the Larry the Bird spirit would be fine too, as the other two aren't actual characters. (I know there are other inanimate objects as Spirits but just because there's precedent for their inclusion, doesn't necessarily mean we should).

 

[cashregister9]

Finding some way to have the Jack Dorsey Mii Costume not actually be called Jack Dorsey would go a long way. I think a good compromise would have a Mii called Jack Dorsey be downloaded to your Mii list when linking your twitter, but the actual costume pieces being called CEO suit and Goatee, or something along those lines. Not sure we really need twitter cuff links or anything like that, it would make it harder to use for other Miis if it had twitter specific references. Not really sure how a Larry the Bird costume would work, since the bird isn't remotely humanoid.

I think having only the Larry the Bird spirit would be fine too, as the other two aren't actual characters. (I know there are other inanimate objects as Spirits but just because there's precedent for their inclusion, doesn't necessarily mean we should).

Maybe The Larry the bird Mii costume could be a hat that looks like the Bird is resting on the Mii's head?

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Finding some way to have the Jack Dorsey Mii Costume not actually be called Jack Dorsey would go a long way. I think a good compromise would have a Mii called Jack Dorsey be downloaded to your Mii list when linking your twitter, but the actual costume pieces being called CEO suit and Goatee, or something along those lines. Not sure we really need twitter cuff links or anything like that, it would make it harder to use for other Miis if it had twitter specific references. Not really sure how a Larry the Bird costume would work, since the bird isn't remotely humanoid.

I think having only the Larry the Bird spirit would be fine too, as the other two aren't actual characters. (I know there are other inanimate objects as Spirits but just because there's precedent for there inclusion, doesn't necessarily mean we should).

Making Larry a Mii Costume seems pretty simple, we just go back to the Twitter vault and use the 2009 design. Obviously the proportions would be off, but that didn't stop Cuphead's tiny left non-gun hand.

 

[Otoad64]

updated the stages with Alrest, Twitter, and Big/Small Battlefield

of course if we deny Twitter I can always remove the stage

 

[Krookodilian]

Maybe The Larry the bird Mii costume could be a hat that looks like the Bird is resting on the Mii's head?

I really like this idea. It could also be combined with the Jack Dorsey mii head (Or CEO head or whatever we decide to call it) since a bird on top would be relatively unintrusive, as it doesn't interfere with the Goatee.

Looks like the decline option is now leading, It could still go either way at this point. not anymore
Also I should have the Barista reveal trailer done tomorrow morning.

 

[cashregister9]

I really like this idea. It could also be combined with the Jack Dorsey mii head (Or CEO head or whatever we decide to call it) since a bird on top would be relatively unintrusive, since it wouldn't interfere with the Goatee.

Looks like the decline option is now leading, It could still go either way at this point. Also I should have the Barista reveal trailer done tomorrow morning.

I personally think we should go with Larry The Bird for the head and a CEO Costume body without a head You can add a goatee in the Mii maker you don't really need a Mii Costume for that, And for the CEO costume body we keep it generic but add very subtle Twitter theming like have it be blue or add a small pin on the lapel, something that adds small theming to make it look in tune with the prompt but it also keeps it generic for customization.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I love how the Twitter stage of all things turned out to be the choice with the most discussion and potential repercussions.

To give my two cents, I voted yes despite loathing the idea of non-videogame content in Smash because, hey, that's potentially four more characters we're able to include. If Sakurai said during a Direct "we're adding these costumes and Spirits as part of a deal with Twitter that allowed us to include more fighters" I think I'd be alright with it. Knowing that it's completely optional and seeing that you guys are coming up with pretty solid ways to make it look less egregious makes me lean on the side of keeping my vote as is. But with it being 12-11 as of this writing, that's quite the pressure.

 

[Mr. Robotto]

Accepting such an offer that just screams "narcissism" from a company as big as Twitter themselves, one that constantly gets tangled into political matters no less, is surely one way to make your game soulless.

The Twitter stage should've been enough content to promote your big platform, a platform that honestly doesn't even need advertisement anyway. I can only see this just devolve into them wanting to force more promotional Twitter content in our game in the long run.

I don't want to feel like a sellout. So unless there's no way to be able to explore or renegotiate other options, that's going to be a no from me.

 

[Peripuff]

This is really a tough one. One the one hand, I’m not sure I really like the idea of being forced into including those Mii costumes and spirits, but on the other... more characters would be very nice.

Either way, whatever future ramifications this decision may have is kinda scaring me rn.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Well it’s at a tie but I’m glad of the discussion that this has generated.

I will be contacting the Twitter office to negotiate perhaps something less intrusive. One idea I liked was calling it the CEO costume (business suit with a Twitter pin) with facial hair resembling Jack.

 

[Janx_uwu]

I'm keeping my vote, because I'm still worried that Twitter will interfere with our project now that they're involved legally. Even if it doesn't feel as sellout-y now that we know about the linking account thing.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Voting is now closed.
We are still currently tied for our decision regarding to agree to Twitter’s conditions or to decline it. The poll will remain open for 13 more hours so please weigh the options and make your final pick by then. If we continue to be split down the middle, I will inform the thread of our next step. Prior to that, feel free to provide a compromise or possible negotiation in regards to the content. As I said earlier, it seems the biggest issue is the Mii Fighter and one work around it to get Twitter to agree with a CEO outfit instead of the actual Jack costume. If we all agree to that, we can bring that to Twitter and see what they have to say.

With that out of the way (and to something exciting), here is our next newcomer!

Jill Valentine Mr. Robotto 32
Nemesis T-Tyrant Venus of the Desert Bloom 17
Chris Redfield @Commander_Alph 6
Leon S. Kennedy Golden Icarus 23
Ethan Winters cashregister9 1
Claire Redfield Jomosensual 1

It goes without saying that Jill Valentine is one of the most popular characters in RE and Capcom in general. Her appearance has changed drastically throughout the series as her abilities so it will be interesting to see what we come up with! I will be posting the next job shortly so please stay tuned!

 

[PeridotGX]

just woke up, and i still think the retweet button being a part of smash is funny. sorry everyone.

i have it on good authority that the next fighter's pass will include the following characters: 1. Queen Kong. 2. Dinkey King. 3. Type II Diabetes. 3. PK Pete. 3. Junkman & The Little Dipper 3. Sticky "Ricky" Steamboat and the Lunchpail Gang. 2. Cactus Jack. 3. and 4. Mario

— Deep Leffen Bot (@DeepLeffen) January 20, 2021

in other news, this will be our dlc

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

First off, Twitter is open to negotiations after lengthy discussions with related departments in terms of limiting or altering the requested content. However, there was a warning that negotiations could result in a significant reduction of financial backing by Twitter. Please keep this info in mind on your discussions and how you vote.

Job #70: Submit Jill Gameplay and Moveset Proposals​

Jill Valentine from Resident Evil will be second third-party character, fourth Capcom character, and our fifth female character after Octoling, Stylist, Ashley, and Medusa.

Like Barista, I want to provide a basis on how to develop the character but I want to keep it more open-ended to allow for creativity.

Jill Valentine “Has a particular gimmick/character skill that pays homage to her home series”

Please provide this character gimmick along with her her gameplay analysis, standard attacks, speciaks, Final Smash, and any other important moveset info. Also, please indicate which version of Jill it is - especially her appearance.

Finally, what’s an appropriate character color for Jill?

 

[Otoad64]

updated the roster!

 

[Jomosensual]

Job 70

I'll start with the design since that feels like the easiest one to go with. I propose we go with the remake version as shown below as Capcom was apparently a big fan of it. Of course, her other designs could be used as alts.

For color I'd say go with a light blue as she is constantly wearing that somewhere on her outfit

Overall Jill would be a middleweight character. Her air game and jumping would be solidly middle of the pack with slightly higher than average speed.

For a gimmick I was thinking she could do a weapon change that effects her side special and much like Min Min, would effect her smash attacks as well. Her Down-B would bring out an inventory menu allowing you to scroll through the various guns used in RE3. These would be:

Samurai Edge- Generic projectile fire. When used as a Smash attack it comes out quickly, close to Min Min's Ram Ram
Shotgun - Very powerful up close, does very little from far away. Getting hit by this Smash attack would result in similar impact to the megawatt if up close.
Grenade Launcher - Quickest gun to fire. Also can aim this one with on screen crosshairs when used as a special. Acts as a normal ranged Smash attack with some burn effects.
Rocket Launcher - Not great close up, very powerful from far away. A more difficult Smash attack to land but if done successfully has a lot of damage and knockback to it if hit from a distance. As before, the farther away the Smash attack is from Jill the more power it has. Also inflicts burn damage


All these guns have some cool down on them, representing the inventory system from the games.

Rest of the moveset:
Up Special - Grappling Hook. Functions close to Jokers as it can be used to grab the stage but is also viable for combos
Neutral Special - Grenade. Functions close to Snake's grenade throw


Dash - running swipe with her survival knife
Tilts - Up is an uppercut, side is a kick to the head, down is a legsweep

Air attacks I don't really have a preference on at the moment. Either will come back to this and update later or will default to someone elses ideas on it

Final Smash - Jill take the gun she uses to finish off Nemesis from the RE3 remake and fires it across the stage. The range is quite large and results in a big knockback.

 

[SharkLord]

I'll need to take some time to do some research, but I think the best course of action would to give her an ammo mechanic for each special, and maybe the smashes and aerials too. Basically, she'd be like Robin, but with modern weaponry rather than fantasy swords and spells. I'd also like to avoid moves that are basically "Cram six different moves into the neutral special." Those just feel overly clunky; One move for one special works best.