Social Stuff that ends in fair..... A Sheik Social Thread!

[strawhats]

sadly you're right...everyone got hyped when they heard CJ was going to Apex...now Cash Mooney is telling me he probably wont be able to make it due to college and him being too busy.

Again...Amsah r you really going to Cataclysm 5 because Milktea asked you 2. PC CHRIS, Cort, Isai, KDJ, M2K, Scar, Hax, Hbox, Darc and prob MaNgO will be there. ( kinda thinking Jman would be there too)

Hold on...u said you're set at Pound 4 should not be used as an accurate model to judge the MU of sheik/peach because Armada wasnt playing well. I thought he played pretty well, but then again...adapting to NTSC sheik at high level of play is pretty hard. I think he could beat your sheik in this version with peach.

 

[Teczer0]

Don't believe the hype until he's actually there..

Or until they tell you they're going I suppose. =3

 

[soap]

hope raynex doesn't mind...

but honestly, my fro now towers over the competition

 

[Nihonjin]

sadly you're right...everyone got hyped when they heard CJ was going to Apex...now Cash Mooney is telling me he probably wont be able to make it due to college and him being too busy.

College? lol, no.
He's working, that's all.

Again...Amsah r you really going to Cataclysm 5 because Milktea asked you 2. PC CHRIS, Cort, Isai, KDJ, M2K, Scar, Hax, Hbox, Darc and prob MaNgO will be there. ( kinda thinking Jman would be there too)

Probably not, but when and where is it..? (If you already told me..=D)

Hold on...u said you're set at Pound 4 should not be used as an accurate model to judge the MU of sheik/peach because Armada wasnt playing well..

Correct.

I thought he played pretty well, but then again...

He played way under par.

Adapting to NTSC sheik at high level of play is pretty hard..

No, he just played bad..lol

I think he could beat your sheik in this version with peach.

Maybe, maybe not, either way, he would've at least put up a much better fight than he did..

To give you an idea what a normal match against Armada would look like, do you remember that unbelievable combo he pulled on me in the third match where he made the comeback..? Well, it wasn't that unbelievable to me, as a matter of fact, it's common practice. When playing a normal Armada similar (or even more devastating) combos happen every single match every God **** stock..~_~

 

[KirbyKaze]

KK and Amsah: fair enough; so Pound 4 wasn't the best model for the argument. KK, Are you saying Peach still has the advantage vs Sheik in NTSC? (I know you are, Amsah! ^_~)

Not at all. I was just pointing out some matchup stuff.

 

[Teczer0]

I think secretly, Amsah is an Armada fanboy.

 

[Armada]

i agree with Amsah (first time in this thread) about me against him at pound.

Even if someone of us play bad/god/better/not good enough one set is actually not enough. But i have play Ntsc more than that set and i stay sheik in ntsc have best conditions but peach have best conditions in Pal

 

[Teczer0]

If you at pound was you playing bad.

**** this game I blow.

I mean unless you mean you played poorly in the set vs Amsah in particular

Cuz I was ****en screaming my head off for Armada vs Lucky I was like sdklfj peach isn't this good.

Or something to that extent.

 

[Tope]

Okay Nica I'll give you the win on RC for real XD

Mr Amsah, please camp more

^^ I don't like doing it either but against stupid floaties you just gotta ruuuuuuuun


EDIT : PAL is definitely more balanced than NTSC

 

[Nihonjin]

If you at pound was you playing bad.

**** this game I blow.

I mean unless you mean you played poorly in the set vs Amsah in particular

Cuz I was ****en screaming my head off for Armada vs Lucky I was like sdklfj peach isn't this good.

Or something to that extent.

Though I hate to say it, because people are going to say I'm Johning for him, but I think he was playing bad all tournament..

I haven't seen his set against SS so I can't say much about that, but against Lucky, against M2k and against me he was missing things he normally does with his eyes closed..=/

 

[AlcyoNite]

EDIT : PAL is definitely more balanced than NTSC

screw u tope

now u all make it sound like ntsc<pal

...and i dont like the looks of it

that means when foreigners come they have to adjust to an inferior game to prove themselves while we

are playing a broken game with problems that we wouldnt have to deal with if nintendo had just released the game here a few months later

**** sucks

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

CJ said he was busy with that face magic stuff, yeah. He's not coming lol.

And I recall something about school, but maybe I'm mistaken. That was probably somebody else.

I need to stop being so bad vs sheik. ****ing dumb character. Anybody want to help me?

 

[DJRome]

let's play boi

 

[Tope]

screw u tope

now u all make it sound like ntsc<pal

...and i dont like the looks of it

that means when foreigners come they have to adjust to an inferior game to prove themselves while we

are playing a broken game with problems that we wouldnt have to deal with if nintendo had just released the game here a few months later

**** sucks

haha kinda like if they took out everyones infinites in marvel, itd more balanced but...

 

[Nihonjin]

CJ said he was busy with that face magic stuff, yeah. He's not coming lol.

And I recall something about school, but maybe I'm mistaken. That was probably somebody else.

I need to stop being so bad vs sheik. ****ing dumb character. Anybody want to help me?

He's just working..lol

 

[Composeur]

I think secretly, Amsah is an Armada fanboy.

LOL @ this. I think everyone has a soft spot for both the big As.

Armada, what do you think of your overall playing at Pound 4? Considerably under par? I guess it didn't seem like your best showing, but I was still impressed...in fact, I was impressed with a lot of players there. ^^

 

[Diakonos]

i agree with Amsah (first time in this thread) about me against him at pound.

Even if someone of us play bad/god/better/not good enough one set is actually not enough. But i have play Ntsc more than that set and i stay sheik in ntsc have best conditions but peach have best conditions in Pal

I agree. I don't think Sheik has all too much to complain about when her grab is so devastating. I have watched basically every Armada vs. sheik vid I could find. I could tell Armada wasn't playing well vs. Amsah at pound, and that probably contributed to the way things ended. That being said, I thought the advantage was pretty clear anyway.

It's not only about having a grab that combos to a killing move at high percent. It's about having a grab that combos into the character's best move just about all the time. The combos on either side are pretty dirty, and so is the edgeguarding. I don't think the advantage is very big, but I don't see it as peach advantage.

Also, I really like when Armada posts.

 

[Nihonjin]

It's about having a grab that combos into the character's best move just about all the time.

Who cares? It still doesn't do that much damage and it only starts killing at around 130%..

The combos on either side are pretty dirty

Peach's combos are far more devastating than anything Sheik can even hope to do.

And so is the edgeguarding.

Peach her edge guarding is 10x more effective than Sheiks..

I don't think the advantage is very big, but I don't see it as peach advantage.

Because she's better at close range, has much better combos, better survivability and better projectiles?

 

[Animal]

sheik sucks she has no approach the end =)

 

[SPAWN]

College? lol, no.
He's working, that's all.



Probably not, but when and where is it..? (If you already told me..=D)



Correct.



He played way under par.



No, he just played bad..lol



Maybe, maybe not, either way, he would've at least put up a much better fight than he did..

To give you an idea what a normal match against Armada would look like, do you remember that unbelievable combo he pulled on me in the third match where he made the comeback..? Well, it wasn't that unbelievable to me, as a matter of fact, it's common practice. When playing a normal Armada similar (or even more devastating) combos happen every single match every God **** stock..~_~

Click on my sig for Cataclysm 5. It's going to be phenomenal!

 

[soap]

sheik sucks she has no approach the end =)

why can sheik not approach?

 

[Nihonjin]

why can sheik not approach?

Because she has no horizontal speed.

If a Peach plays defensively (and knows what she's doing) you're pretty much screwed.

You can't play defensively because Peach is nearly unpunishable (which is what you're going for when on defense) and she can outspam you. But you can't really approach either because one (or two) wavedashes back from the Peach ruins any and everything Sheik can do from the air. Your only option is grabbing (because Dash attack just gets CC'd), but because it's your only option is also extremely predictable meaning you'll 8 out of 10 times be running into Dtilts instead of landing a grab.

Which brings me back to the same point, how exacty is this match up in Sheiks favor again..?

 

[ChivalRuse]

Turnip spam > needle spam?

 

[Nihonjin]

Needle spam barely does anything (other than annoy people), turnip spam kills.
You tell me..?

 

[Animal]

i seriously **** sheik with falcon now because all i do is DD till approach, avoid needles, shield grab the predictable dash, uair any type of aerial they try to do since the high short hop. Amsah is HAX$ the best falcon you ever played?

 

[Nihonjin]

Yes, but counting Hax I've only played two Falcons in tournament sets, so it doesn't really say much..=D

 

[soap]

Because she has no horizontal speed.

If a Peach plays defensively (and knows what she's doing) you're pretty much screwed.

You can't play defensively because Peach is nearly unpunishable (which is what you're going for when on defense) and she can outspam you. But you can't really approach either because one (or two) wavedashes back from the Peach ruins any and everything Sheik can do from the air. Your only option is grabbing (because Dash attack just gets CC'd), but because it's your only option is also extremely predictable meaning you'll 8 out of 10 times be running into Dtilts instead of landing a grab.

Which brings me back to the same point, how exacty is this match up in Sheiks favor again..?

sheik has no horizontal speed? maybe in the air.. and personally I think needles are much better than turnips as well. not in terms of spamming but overall utility

hmm, i guess i disagree with much of your post

Peach is safe on shields pretty much, but when she misses she is not unpunishable, i'd like to hear your reasoning. her general options after a missed float cancel fair are dtilt/dsmash/jab/nair/roll

Defensively: Like u said, grab and boost grab are your greatest weapons (in ntsc at least) and when u know to expect a jab/dsmash/dtilt after your not so perfectly timed dash dance thats when u space a fair/needle turn bair over it, or do an additonal little dash dance fake and grab that. u can follow rolls easily enough.

Offense: on approach first let me say i find it pivotal to have at least a half charge stored cuz it gives u way more options. so typically i needle charge and that gets her in the air and approaching and i'll try to intercept/space her ****. Once i have those needles i usually go after her with spaced aerials and if i think she wavedashes/runs away from aerial u can fastfall tap b and unload your ground needles almost instantly. u can do this out of bair spacing too with the turnaround. Other good option is waveland back see if she bites, or double jump to platform and needle

So my offense isn't so much bullying thru her defense, but shooting her whenever she tries to space out my approach. I guess i don't really have a guaranteed way to get grabs or hits either, just keep pushing and keep my eyes open. But i do think sheiks defense has more options than you make it seem, and her offense becomes much more viable once dash attack/dsmash starts to knock over CC. Until those percents just be patient

 

[Animal]

falcon=europes kryptonite

 

[soap]

i think it's too early to call him kryptonite. more like a question mark right now.

i couldn't see falcon beasting too long after those patient european foxes learn the matchup

 

[Animal]

our falcons can beat our foxes, we can beat theres.

 

[soap]

our falcons can beat our foxes, we can beat theres.

maybe on the west coast...

darkrain has been losing to kels for like a year now

scar loses to foxes (tink, jman) same with hax

I see SS beatin up on lunin every weekend, thats about it

It's a doable matchup i agree, player skill is the clincher like usual

but the tippy top seems to show fox over falcon

 

[Nihonjin]

sheik has no horizontal speed? maybe in the air..

That's what I said.

and personally I think needles are much better than turnips as well. not in terms of spamming but overall utility

Overall? Yes. Against Peach? Hell no.

Peach is safe on shields pretty much, but when she misses she is not unpunishable, i'd like to hear your reasoning. her general options after a missed float cancel fair are dtilt/dsmash/jab/nair/roll

Or simply jumping back and float again..
If you follow her and fair she nairs you before you hit the grond, anything else misses.

Defensively: Like u said, grab and boost grab are your greatest weapons (in ntsc at least) and when u know to expect a jab/dsmash/dtilt after your not so perfectly timed dash dance thats when u space a fair/needle turn bair over it

She can just wavedash back (ruining your all your aerial options) and Dtilt again. If you don't attack no one gets hurt, if you force a fair/bair anyway, she hits your landing animation as you miss.

or do an additonal little dash dance fake and grab that. u can follow rolls easily enough.

Smart Peaches don't fall for your dash dances seeing as they're your only weapon so they won't really come as a surprise. Besides, she can just wavedash back and put distance between you to avoid anything you were trying to do. Or you know..float.

Offense: on approach first let me say i find it pivotal to have at least a half charge stored cuz it gives u way more options. so typically i needle charge and that gets her in the air and approaching and i'll try to intercept/space her ****.

To intercept it would require the Peach to actually approach.

Once I have those needles i usually go after her with spaced aerials and if i think she wavedashes/runs away from aerial u can fastfall tap b and unload your ground needles almost instantly.

Might work, might not. Either way, it doesn't change much.

Other good option is waveland back see if she bites, or double jump to platform and needle

A good Peach never bites. And as for the needles, that's a decent strategy, one I've used as well, but the damage output just doesn't compare. By running away and camping by you can avoid Peach for a little while and get what? 60% damage in without getting hit? (I'm being very generous here) But then she corners you and wrecks your entire stock.

offense becomes much more viable once dash attack/dsmash starts to knock over CC. Until those percents just be patient

You don't get to live that long, sorry..=/

 

[soap]

it seems there are some very subtle spacing things i have apparently never been exposed too.

i've never had my fair/bair lose to her dtilt. and if it's the range i think you are talking about, u can drop a needle instead of fair. I'm not gona disagree, just skeptical. Some vids where this happens would be awesome.

peach isn't quick enough to float away instantly before u can put a dash attack/grab on her landing. She has one of the slower jumps too i believe. If you are being cautious against ground moves then ya she can float again, but not with tight timing. and she can nair your fair i agree, but not a well spaced turned bair

I agree about the getting cornered part is bad, but i'm not necessarily saying running away to a corner. You be aggresive hold your middle ground with approaches, and when they try to absorb/space your attack u cleverly shoot them to stay safe and frustrate them.

And how are they supposed to corner me by never approaching? I can corner myself with retreats, but if i space and counter the first wave of attack how does that corner you?


the air to ground needle tricks works extremely well, and I highly recommend them. They make people think twice about spacing out your aerials with a directly linear retreat and they will eventually challenge u directly in the air or run back then jump towards u over the needles. But u have the ball in your court as to when u want to release if at all

I think i've got a good grasp against peach and have lots of vidjo practice in my past. i'm not straight theorizing. Basically, I wanna feel this armada pressure firsthand at apex.

 

[Nihonjin]

I can honestly see where you're coming from, but I don't think (realistically speaking) anyone can keep that up long enough to win.

Your optimistic attitude sparked a little bit of (probably false) hope in the match up for me though..:embarrass
I might actually try Sheik against him next time I play him.

Either way, let's end this little debate of ours. At Apex you'll get to play Armada and I'll either be proven right or wrong..=]

 

[adumbrodeus]

Why you gotta end it, the more you say, the more I've got for my anti-sheik bible.


*takes extensive notes*

 

[KirbyKaze]

Pick Jigglypuff, Fox, or Falco.

Voila, anti-Sheik character. You're not guaranteed to win though. We're far too gay for that.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I don't want an anti-sheik character, I already have too many characters, I wanna win with what I got without resorting to dittos, cause sheik dittos are stupid as hell.


Actually, dittos in general are stupid as hell.

 

[KirbyKaze]

But you see, in NTSC those three faces are on the cover of the anti-Sheik bible. So your copy simply isn't complete without them.

Though I admire you for sticking it out with Marth. I assume you main Marth by your icon. Your avatar includes Chuck Norris, though, so I could also believe Falcon.

 

[adumbrodeus]

But you see, in NTSC those three faces are on the cover of the anti-Sheik bible. So your copy simply isn't complete without them.

Though I admire you for sticking it out with Marth. I assume you main Marth by your icon. Your avatar includes Chuck Norris, though, so I could also believe Falcon.

Well, I'll make a new anti-Sheik Bible, with blackjack and hookers, in fact, forget the Bible. Nah, but every time I tried to pick up fox, I failed miserably, I had a fox that could drillshine and do some other technical stuff... but couldn't actually fight worth a sh**, and considering I'm not even a good player (especially when you consider my region), that's saying something. Falco, I had no real desire to play and I strongly suspect it'll be like playing fox. Jiggs, I've considered picking her up, but I doubt it will be just for sheik if I do.



As for my character, this should clue you in:

The depth, that's all I need.


Also, marth. I can't play games without marth.

Chuck Norris is more a Nostalgia Critic reference, come on, Chuck Norris as God (from "the creation of adam") smiting somebody is just too awesome. Also, marth is manly.

 

[Animal]

sheiks bad