• Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!

    You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!

Social Stuff that ends in fair..... A Sheik Social Thread!

Nihonjin

Striving 4 Perfection
BRoomer
Joined
Feb 1, 2005
Messages
2,867
Location
Amsterdam, Holland
Imma agree with Nicaboy that sheik > jiggs
Really, how?

Losing dthrow and losing knockback on fair and uair in PAL sucks when fighting peach but I don't think the match up is as bad as Amsah claims (I could definitely see at least 55-45 in peaches favor tho)
Your fair is the same. But alright, I'll bite (again). How is it now as bad as I've said..?
What does Sheik have on Peach without the NTSC Dthrow?

Wonder what itd be like to fight jiggs with pal sheik lmao
Just like in NTSC but grabbing leads to nothing. (Well, maybe to you getting rested, but that's about it).
 

AlcyoNite

Smash Champion
Joined
May 1, 2007
Messages
2,332
Location
**** Triangle, NC
Your fair is the same. But alright, I'll bite (again). How is it now as bad as I've said..?
What does Sheik have on Peach without the NTSC Dthrow?



Just like in NTSC but grabbing leads to nothing. (Well, maybe to you getting rested, but that's about it).
Really, like, why not just play ntsc??

NOthing seems better/more balanced about pal

just saiyan
 

Teczer0

Research Assistant
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Mar 25, 2007
Messages
16,861
Location
Convex Cone, Positive Orthant
Really, like, why not just play ntsc??

NOthing seems better/more balanced about pal

just saiyan
I think its more balanced....

Sheik can't just breeze through all the low tiers now (Granted she still probably has an easy time but at least 1 mistake doesn't lead to death).

The top tier characters got nerfed for the most part.

And some low tiers have buffs. (Yoshi being 2nd heaviest iirc lawl)

In short, I wanna play PAL :(
 

Lawrencelot

Smash Lord
Joined
Jun 18, 2006
Messages
1,434
Location
Rotterdam/Terneuzen, Holland, Europe
Why are people still saying that even in PAL, sheik>peach, while Amsah played a million PAL matches, tons of which are sheik vs Armada's Peach (best sheik in the world vs best peach in the world). Just accept what he says about it. If he says it's still in sheik's favour in NTSC, you can question him because it's not his game, but know that he played enough NTSC and he says this even while he beat armada in the game. Seriously, to me it sounds as if everybody is telling drephen that downsmash is sheik's worst move
 

Kira-

Smash Champion
Joined
Nov 3, 2008
Messages
2,859
Location
Socal
also lucky doesnt even look that good to me ( how he beat PP after getting 4 stocked in the first match is beyond me) but i have a lot of fox training
FD johns maybe

also Doll is mad impressive to me
 

Composeur

Smash Ace
Joined
Nov 10, 2007
Messages
518
I agree that Doll's really good.

Also, agree with Armada about the odds shifting to 60-40 in Shiek's favor in NTSC, almost entirely from stupid d-throw. If you don't believe it, watch Amsah vs Armada at Pound 4 and see how many of Amsah's KOs don't come from a d-throw combo. Peach has no surefire KO combo on Sheik at any %.
 

AlcyoNite

Smash Champion
Joined
May 1, 2007
Messages
2,332
Location
**** Triangle, NC
I agree that Doll's really good.

Also, agree with Armada about the odds shifting to 60-40 in Shiek's favor in NTSC, almost entirely from stupid d-throw. If you don't believe it, watch Amsah vs Armada at Pound 4 and see how many of Amsah's KOs don't come from a d-throw combo. Peach has no surefire KO combo on Sheik at any %.
amsah just gave plenty of reasons why you might not believe it
 

KirbyKaze

Smash Legend
Joined
Nov 18, 2007
Messages
17,679
Location
Spiral Mountain
I agree that Doll's really good.

Also, agree with Armada about the odds shifting to 60-40 in Shiek's favor in NTSC, almost entirely from stupid d-throw. If you don't believe it, watch Amsah vs Armada at Pound 4 and see how many of Amsah's KOs don't come from a d-throw combo. Peach has no surefire KO combo on Sheik at any %.
D-tilt Uair kills. Though it is subject to DI and platforms.

Peach also racks damage hard on Sheik if a dash attack is not DIed well at low percent. Or if she just lands a bunch of D-tilts.

She can also trap Sheik above her after launchers and stuff because Sheik doesn't have aerial mobility.

She also has a really good edgeguard on Sheik and almost all her moves at high percent (F-throw, Nair, Bair, Dair, Fair, etc) gain the potential to setup edgeguard even vs good DI so I don't think killing Sheik is too taxing for Peach. Before someone cites Armada's trouble killing Amsah at Pound, Amsah heavily shielded and absorbed a lot of D-smashes into his shield without shield pierce when all Armada had to do to actually kill him was just grab him and edgeguard after the F-throw at 100%+. I'm aware adapting and whatnot would then occur and Amsah still may have won, but regardless he still dropped a lot of opportunities to setup edgeguards because he wanted to continue pressuring or force a combo instead of just taking the easy option.
 

Teczer0

Research Assistant
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Mar 25, 2007
Messages
16,861
Location
Convex Cone, Positive Orthant
<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZUGOpluXuis&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZUGOpluXuis&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Just sayin =3
 

Teczer0

Research Assistant
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Mar 25, 2007
Messages
16,861
Location
Convex Cone, Positive Orthant
Now I just wanna embed more =3

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/SvNI8jnWzbU&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/SvNI8jnWzbU&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Its an oldie but oh man is it awesome.
 

Teczer0

Research Assistant
Premium
BRoomer
Joined
Mar 25, 2007
Messages
16,861
Location
Convex Cone, Positive Orthant
You're such a jerk!!!!!!! :(:(:(
<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eQbP5hOHvzo&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eQbP5hOHvzo&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
 

Ocho(*8*)

Smash Ace
Joined
Jun 30, 2009
Messages
514
lol, I lost to Armada again and actually got my *** kicked by Zgetto too..=D
I played Falco against Armada (and Fox, but almost got 4 stocked again so no more..) and it went 'ok', I'll win next time..>.>

Went Sheik against Zgetto and I was ****** until he suddenly went into God Mode and completely destroyed me..:embarrass

Vids shortly..^_^
vids?

liygkuhg
 

Nihonjin

Striving 4 Perfection
BRoomer
Joined
Feb 1, 2005
Messages
2,867
Location
Amsterdam, Holland
I agree that Doll's really good.

Also, agree with Armada about the odds shifting to 60-40 in Shiek's favor in NTSC, almost entirely from stupid d-throw. If you don't believe it, watch Amsah vs Armada at Pound 4 and see how many of Amsah's KOs don't come from a d-throw combo. Peach has no surefire KO combo on Sheik at any %.
Having a guaranteed setup at high percent doesn't swing a match up in your favor. You still have to work to get a Peach to the percentage where you can kill her while she can pretty much **** up your entire stock from 1 mistake.

Also, Armada vs Me at Pound is a terrible set to build your argument on, he wasn't really playing that good..

vids?

liygkuhg
Not yet..=]
 

Composeur

Smash Ace
Joined
Nov 10, 2007
Messages
518
KK and Amsah: fair enough; so Pound 4 wasn't the best model for the argument. KK, Are you saying Peach still has the advantage vs Sheik in NTSC? (I know you are, Amsah! ^_~)
 
Top Bottom