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Raziek

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Just an FYI, people.

If we actually want to make a difference, drop the food idea, and honestly, even dropping to two stocks is borderline.

Our main goal of change is the stagelist, yes? Then we need to start there and work gradually.

Unfortunately I can't really dump a ton of time into this until exams are over with. (April 21st)
 

T-block

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We have one of two routes to take.

Either work on influencing Unity, or create a whole new ruleset.

If the latter, there is no chance of a ruleset created by this group even being given a chance unless it's very different.

Plus, the number of stocks, whether we have food, etc. can influence the stagelist.
 

Kantrip

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Excuse me, but I'd like to see someone circle camp on Mario Bros. with 4 pink Sidesteppers running around (or more realistically even, 2).

But anyway, something being bad on a stage doesn't make it ban-worthy.
True, the stage makes circle camping a lot harder, but I've heard it as a complaint. Also, forgot to mention walk-offs.

Alot of what I said was bull****, I was just making the point that if everything "random", or that "changes" the stage, or that gives "unfair advantages" is removed, just about everything is removed, which is stupid.
 

Tesh

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Just an FYI, people.

If we actually want to make a difference, drop the food idea, and honestly, even dropping to two stocks is borderline.

Our main goal of change is the stagelist, yes? Then we need to start there and work gradually.

Unfortunately I can't really dump a ton of time into this until exams are over with. (April 21st)
you want a stagelist, other people are contemplating a ruleset.
 

Grim Tuesday

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True, the stage makes circle camping a lot harder, but I've heard it as a complaint. Also, forgot to mention walk-offs.

Alot of what I said was bull****, I was just making the point that if everything "random", or that "changes" the stage, or that gives "unfair advantages" is removed, just about everything is removed, which is stupid.
The walk-offs are also balanced by the hazards :troll:

But yeah, I see what you were saying :)
 

Life

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T-Block: the idea is that we do the latter and then if the former happens, cool, and if the former doesn't happen and people like our rules better...
 
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We have one of two routes to take.

Either work on influencing Unity, or create a whole new ruleset.

If the latter, there is no chance of a ruleset created by this group even being given a chance unless it's very different.

Plus, the number of stocks, whether we have food, etc. can influence the stagelist.
Wut

No, if it's very different, people will probably completely ignore it. >.>
 

ぱみゅ

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So... Significant but non-groudbreaking changes.

They would be basically tie-breaking, LGLs and Stages changes mostly.
 

T-block

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I'm...sorry? I honestly do believe everything I say - I'm not trying to be overly negative.

I do think looking into a well-thought out one-stock food ruleset is worth the effort though. It has potential to be picked up at side events (no one's going to run a side event that's standard ruleset + more stages), and provides a strong base for experimentation, which is what this proposal needs at the moment really.
 

Raziek

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I'm taking a more direct route, I've been talking with ESAM about making some changes directly, which may or may not involve me becoming a member of the ruleset committee. More as the situation develops.
 

Tesh

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I'm honestly just for going deep into this if we do it. No point in half assing it out of fear of being ignored. OUR SUB FORUM IS RIGHT NEXT TO SUBSPACE EMISSARY. How much more ignored would we be?
 

Supreme Dirt

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I had a thought.

All infinites banned that do not require a wall.

Including the Ice Climbers' infinite CG on the entire cast.

The wall part is simply because all walls on every currently legal stage are temporary, and thus are not true infinites.
 

T-block

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We could either:

-create a thread in Competitive Brawl and deal with the noise from other users
-create a social group for more private discussion
-create a thread in Stage Discussion

Third choice would be my pick, although the thread probably would fit better under Competitive... maybe we could disguise it as "Stage List under OSF ruleset" and secretly discuss the OSF itself for the beginning of the thread. Wonder if RR would let us get away with that :)
 

Tesh

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Lets create a social group. Just a place to draft some rulesets and brainstorm without people popping in and trolling us or derailing the discussion. Not to keep the fruits of our labor a secret though.
 

Life

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All infinites banned that do not require a wall.

Including the Ice Climbers' infinite CG on the entire cast.

The wall part is simply because all walls on every currently legal stage are temporary, and thus are not true infinites.
What is wrong with infinites?

Consider in the case of Ice Climbers:
1. You have to have Nana alive and reasonably close
2. Ice Climbers have poor grab range
3. Ice Climbers are practically unviable without their infinites

D3? Only has standing infinites on a few characters--some low tiers and DK IIRC. Unless you count that buffered pivot grab jazz that's borderline impossible to pull off without frame advance.
Marth? Grab release infinite on two characters that are both low tier.
Diddy Kong? Other characters can infinite him right back with his own bananas.

Also consider that with or without infinites, MK is still the best character in the game. If a character weaker than MK needs to be nerfed, then by definition MK also needs to be nerfed. And how do you propose we do that? Remember that this ruleset is OSF and therefore MK's planking is defeatable (just wait him out and win by percent lead). So what else do we nerf about him? Scrooging? Same problem as planking. Nado? Not only a balanced (if strong) attack but also unenforceable. Ban him? No reason to--under this ruleset he is no longer inherently broken, just really powerful.

The tl;dr is:
1. MK da bess.
2. Because MK da bess (and by a good margin), characters under him are by definition less powerful.
3. Some characters under MK have infinite combos on others.
4. If a character has an overpowered infinite, the character is overpowered.
5. Because MK da bess, if characters under MK have overpowered infinites, they are overpowered and therefore MK is even more overpowered than they.
6. If MK is not overpowered, no character has an overpowered infinite.
7. Therefore, if we nerf infinites, we must nerf MK.
 

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lolguys, ur so funny.

-Should be a group sice it's more private.
-LGL does not fulfill its purpose (stop planking).
-Infinites are fine uless we look for a "more enterntertaining game" (lol)

/random addressing some topics.
 

Tesh

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InCom, thats some crazy logic right there, but I can only assume someone else wants to take a stab at it first.

who will create/lead this social group?
 

Life

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Tesh, do you see what I'm saying tho? Either

1. Characters with infinites are better than Metaknight (lololol)
2. Metaknight is banworthy in an environment WITHOUT broken planking and IDC (those are his only outright broken aspects, he's just "really darn good" in all other respects)
or
3. Infinites should not be banned

Path of least resistance.

The only argument I see against it is Old Sagat.

I, as always, vote Raz for leadership. I for one welcome our new Nova Scotian (lol "new Nova") overlords.
 

Tesh

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He is the only TO we have right? Though Vyse and another guy I can't recall have expressed interest.
 

Raziek

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I feel I should clarify something, guys.

I'm not interested in mental masturbation here. We all know a ruleset with food, while a great idea, is not something we can realistically hope to achieve. :/

I'll be working for practical changes in the meantime.
 
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I feel I should clarify something, guys.

I'm not interested in mental masturbation here. We all know a ruleset with food, while a great idea, is not something we can realistically hope to achieve. :/

I'll be working for practical changes in the meantime.
Yeah, this. I do enough physical masturbation, thank you very much.
 

ElDominio

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Raziek is not as awesome as me, now that I have my shades on. :cool:
You? Cool?

Pfft.

Getting as no-LGL game down in here PR would be a blast. Everyone here is willing to ban MK, except for the fact that if they do so they can't play outside of PR lol
 
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