Revan Skywalker
Smash Cadet
i wonder what´s the topic´s name..
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Does it matter if it can't be DI'd on reaction? If it's DI'd, you get a measly 5% out of it and nothing happens. If they don't DI and you misread the tech... you still get a measly 5% out of it and nothing happens. Throws that are designed to set up techchases should at worst set up techchases. Last I checked, there are plenty of throws that set up combos if you DI them wrong, and set up techchases if you DI them correctly. This is a throw that sets up a techchase if you DI it wrong, and sets up for nothing if you DI it correctly (and wiggle/airdodge/attack out). When you use a techchase throw, you're already taking a risk hoping to reap a better reward. The opponent should not have the ability to get out of the techchasing situation from the outset, and at percents where none of his other throws lead into anything, it isn't that hard to predict a dthrow. And what's the worst that could happen? You botch your DI on another throw and just have to AD through the followup? (Yes, I know there are baiting games with airdodges and such, but those would happen regardless of how you DI'd.)D-throw can't be DIed on reaction by the lighter half of the cast and its almost impossible for the heavies to do so as well. Its got a base release frame of 16 and its weight dependent. People aren't gonna be able to DI up unless you are using this spamming this throw like an idiot.
I knew you wouldn't allow the aerial stopping mobility change go through, however I'm a bit confused what the problem is with the dthrow. It was supposed to have been fixed to actually set up techchases regardless of what the opponent does. That's it. The move does not work the way it's supposed to work. This is a fix for that, making the minimum change necessary to get it to act properly, which last I checked, is something your current change philosophy allows.Not happening.
This.i have to say this topic became hilarious somehow
my standards for entertainment must have dropped due to the dreaded vietwinter syndrome
Viet understands. If this all happened a month ago, I would consider everything Leaf posted EXCEPT bringing back SHDF. That's gone for good and I wouldn't bring it back even if I was in a position where it was easy to do so.I think everyone needs to understand that Veril is very set on his ways, and one of his desires is to truly get Brawl+ accepted on a more universal level. This is very much the sole reason why these changes will not be accepted, and that is that.
The thing is, they're all fairly small changes. Brawl+ has always been developed under the pretense of "if we can improve it, we should." As brawl+ became more developed, the "improvements" became smaller and smaller, but they're yet to become nonexistent. I know you want to keep things steady and let things develop, but you're applying a philosophy for the macro level to the micro level. Ignoring these small little polishes (making stuff work exactly the way we intended it to) really isn't a good idea imo, even if you have called the set "near gold." The fact that it is only near gold and not yet gold means that there is still some small room for tweaking. While the game should be kept largely as is, if small changes can be agreed to be for the better, it is of my opinion that they should be put in. There's nothing wrong with rigorous review, but there is something wrong with not implementing something after it's been agreed to improve the game.Viet understands. If this all happened a month ago, I would consider everything Leaf posted EXCEPT bringing back SHDF. That's gone for good and I wouldn't bring it back even if I was in a position where it was easy to do so.
Because leaf with every single small tweak you do you still are changing the game and therefore turning that 1 more person off to the game. Why do you think alot of people have been turned off to brawl+ after a while of playing it and are quitting to play even regular brawl now because simply enough you guys are on 6.0 right now its been too much people are getting sick of keeping up with the updates, the metagame isn't evolving and before you say the metagame can still evolve with minor tweaks no it can't, because some times those tweaks can completely change some matchups ex. jiggs upthrow, falco jab -> regrab etcThe thing is, they're all fairly small changes. Brawl+ has always been developed under the pretense of "if we can improve it, we should." As brawl+ became more developed, the "improvements" became smaller and smaller, but they're yet to become nonexistent. I know you want to keep things steady and let things develop, but you're applying a philosophy for the macro level to the micro level. Ignoring these small little polishes (making stuff work exactly the way we intended it to) really isn't a good idea imo, even if you have called the set "near gold." The fact that it is only near gold and not yet gold means that there is still some small room for tweaking. While the game should be kept largely as is, if small changes can be agreed to be for the better, it is of my opinion that they should be put in. There's nothing wrong with rigorous review, but there is something wrong with not implementing something after it's been agreed to improve the game.
Oh, and I actually never said anything about the SHDF, so I don't know why you're mentioning it. I did talk about the SHLD some, and I mentioned an idea another marth player had about giving marth IASA on fair with just jump and upB, but I never suggested that the SHDF be put back in.
@Viet: Yeah, brawl+ depends on its reputation to spread, although that's true for every game more or less. Making big drastic changes at this point would indeed be a horrible idea, but I just don't see the evil in making small tweaks right now. This is a set that is going to last a long time, and as such it should be as good as it possibly can be. If that means that there still need to be some small changes made while keeping it within its current mold, then so be it.
marth is gay anyway nerf that fool
inb4 angry marth mains
marth is gay anyway nerf that fool
inb4 angry marth mains
marth mains are whiny *****esDon't go stereotyping Marth mains like that.
there is no marth, only marth mainsJust thought I'd point out that you spelt Marth wrong in Japanese VietGeek
Unless it was deliberate
Now look at what you guys have done? Now Veril is going to pick up Marth just like Cape picked up ness, and then he's going to get tired of Marth mains and declare them a pox upon the earth. Then Marth mains will become a meme, and then Veril will leave.
Sigged. That made my day.
This whole s***storm has actually made me want to pick up Marth and rage-second him.
1: ADHD (Diddy)Lets say 3 infinies get discovered don't run into OMG OMG OMG OMG WE GOTTA NERF THIS no no no lets work with it for now how do you think regular brawl is XD metaknight is still on top but hes not being banned people are working around it and its been working so far i mean we got a diddy kong winning nationals thats a big step in the right direction.
Response 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGJbYpeDMZgThen Marth mains will become a meme, and then Veril will leave.
Stop the madness now!
You'd be wrong, then.Actuall, I'd say nobody does pick his character because of data.
This is only correct after the game's metagame/community has developed a bit + the data has been gathered.You'd be wrong, then.