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Reizilla

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And cutters story is why I hate religious arguments

But my beef with it is homosexuality with religion instead. I was with this guy expressing my views of me agreeing with gayness. Him being the devout catholic shouted it in front of everyone I knew, despite me intending for it to be private.

If these people can't accept you then I say leave 'em. You'll be better off without them pressuring you to be something that you're not. I could change aspects of myself just to satisfy people, but I'm pretty **** happy with myself, so screw 'em. I'd prefer to be picked on for being “that gay kid” than be something I'm not.

So in all, don't change. Either leave them or they leave you and get yourself more accepting friends.

btw, now that I'm on the topic of homosexuality, I sicken myself. Even though I'm strongly for homosexuality, I still say things like “Don't be gay” when someone does a cheap move in a video game or something. I wanna stop, but after years of saying that, I can't come up with another expression. Dont tell me to replace it with “Don't be so cheap” because there are many situations where I use that phrase.

Help me out here? I sicken myself with me sounding like a hypocrite when I don't mean to.
@ "Don't be gay": That's because deep down, you know that gay is bad :p Jk. I do it too, even though I think it's bad, except I'm not gay.

However, you're problem is not with religion (maybe some religions), it's with people. You can't blame the church for the people that go there (there are exceptions, but not usually). That's the reason why a lot of people leave the church is because they look at the people too much, when they shouldn't be. Anyway, I myself think homosexuality is wrong, but it's not something I would abandon someone over. We, as Christians are supposed to try bringing them in (not force) to God and then they will come to know Him and give up their homosexuality. Not just that, but that's hhow it works for anybody, with anything, not just homosexuality.

Just wanted to clear that up for a lot of people, before people get the wrong idea.
 

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I still feel horrible making those jokes though

And my beef is indeed religious. The gay argument always boils down to God

Oh tnis isn't what god intended

Why didn't he make Adam and Adam then

blah, blah, blah

I thought christianity was all about love thy neighbor, yet most christians persecute gays. If God forgave Jews (or I assume he did in the bible or something) then why not gays?

plus imo, I don't know why people bring religion into debates when there's no sure to know He exists. For all we know we probably rot in the dirt and thats it...

anyways that's my take on religion anyways so no ofgense ok? :)

But I still sicken myself with all the “Don't be gay” phrases I say...
 

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There is actually no good argument against homosexuality. And people like Rei-gun who think it's a choice annoy the hell out of me.
 

Reizilla

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No it's not.
What's not????

Roacherman, you're talking about people again.

You have a problem with the principle, but it's because of all of the people going about it the wrong way. *sigh* This is pretty difficult to explain, especially for me. So if you any of you really care to know where I'm coming from, shoot me a PM. :)
 

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It was a reply to the "That's how it works for anybody" part, I should've made that reply more specific in hindsight.
As should have I. I meant to say that I believe, that's the way it should work for anybody that has any issues. You're not supposed to just go after them because they're doing something wrong. Because EVERYBODY does a lot wrong. They way it's supposed to work, is show them the things that will bring them in, and then if they grow to love God, it would be enough for them to want to give it up.

That's the way, I believe, it's intended to work. Whether people do that, or not, I can't say anything more.
 

Reizilla

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This applies to Christians and he has beef with how Christians are treating him.
 

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I'm candyflipping tomorrow.But that's not why I'm here

What's bothering me is I can't sleep and want to be up early. :(
 

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Might I also inquire the things you found in the Bible that made you lose faith in Christianity?
Sure thing. I actually have a lot to share, but I'll keep it as condensed as I can. Hopefully. :p

Evolution vs. Creationism

I don't want to derail this thread into a religious debate, but I'll just keep this short. In Genesis, there is no mention of dinosaurs whatsoever, despite the fact that dinosaurs undoubtedly lived on Earth. Living creatures also can't just appear in a day. It takes millions of years just to discern notable changes in an evolutionary pattern.

I'll just leave it at that.

Rich and Poor, and Socialism

These three verses I found were very interesting:

"All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need." (Acts 2:44-45)

"Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?" (James 2:5-8)

"Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered innocent men, who were not opposing you." (James 5:1-6)

Sounds like the epitome of socialism right there. Yet virtually every Christian I know is conservative and thinks of socialism as the scourge of the Earth. I am willing to bet that if James were alive today and he made these exact same comments, he would be condemned and ostracized by the right-wing as a communist.

There are also numerous other verses (especially in the Gospels) about how the poor are the ones who should be helped and rewarded, while the rich, mainly those who don't go out of their way to help the poor, are chastised as being wicked and evil. Let's also not forget how Jesus goes out of his way to heal the sick and the poor (Matthew 8 IIRC) while wanting nothing in return.

Why exactly are Christians mainly conservative again, the same conservatives who are against welfare and admonish captialism? :confused:

Additionally, I also remember a sermon back in July 2007 all too well. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows had just recently come out, and our pastor condemned Harry Potter that Sunday morning as being evil, demonic, and wicked. He brought up numerous verses about the evils of sorcery and witchcraft, and how the HP books shouldn't be read.

He also took a stab at D&D and MTG during that time as well, lumping it in the same area as HP. And that really hit me, because I am a big MTG player, and there's nothing evil or demonic about the game at all. In fact, I've learned an enormous amount of vocabulary, critical thinking, and mathematics from playing Magic. All that, I'm still a normal person leading a normal life.

I feel like I've ranted a tad too much, but you did ask for the examples in the Bible that made me eventually gravitate away from Chrisitianity, so there you have it. I guess it's a matter of the people being at fault; not Christianity itself. However, when people don't exactly follow the consistencies of whatever they practice, then it makes me question the religion itself that they are representing.

Another thing, about your friends. I personally believe that most Christians are doing it wrong in a lot of ways. Of course, I'm no where close to perfect myself, but something that most don't realize is that they shouldn't be chastising you. Instead they should be trying to reason with you, healthily. At the same time, you shouldn't be upset at their ignorance either, since it's likely not their fault that they're that way, as such is the downfall of following things for traditions' sake.

Anyway, if you're worried about losing your friends, the best thing to do is to try avoiding the discussion. Although you shouldn't be treated as an outcast (should be the opposite) it might still happen, but that's no fault of your own. Perhaps, if they do find out, tell them not to turn their back on YOU.
I'm basically just hoping that my friend gets over it eventually and starts talking with me again. I feel a lot better tonight than I was yesterday, so I'm hoping she just clears her head and understands where I'm coming from in terms of my beliefs. I never really wanted to tell her anyway, but when she kept pestering me, I didn't have much choice in just constantly evading her, and I didn't want to lie to her face.
 

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I'm basically just hoping that my friend gets over it eventually and starts talking with me again. I feel a lot better tonight than I was yesterday, so I'm hoping she just clears her head and understands where I'm coming from in terms of my beliefs. I never really wanted to tell her anyway, but when she kept pestering me, I didn't have much choice in just constantly evading her, and I didn't want to lie to her face.
You did the right thing, boss. I think when it comes to friends or acquaintances that such honesty is paramount. I mean, if you can't be honest with them...who can you be honest with? Tact and half-truths are only good when dealing with strangers (I'd like to lump it into a little something-something called "professional courtesy"). Of course there will be times when you're going to have to put your foot down when it comes to strangers and your belief systems, but judging from what you've written here I think you can make that call yourself. Hell, you probably have already at some point.


I did enjoy the little spiel you wrote above what I quoted. It's an interesting take on how the Bible corroborates with socialism (evolution and creationism are almost given things to me, anyway, and will be debated until the end of days). Talking about that at length will derail the thread hardcore though. XD If you're interested in discussion, my inbox is always open. Just be warned that I'm lazy and I don't check that part of Smashboards that often.

Smooth Criminal
 

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Not to start anything, but the "one day" that you speak of that animals were created is not in the same sense as we see one day now, as in 24 hours. It was done in God's time which no one really knows how long or how short that is.

Needless to say, as a Christian, I still believe in evolution as well, or at least certain parts of it. As in I don't believe that the Earth came around 4000 years ago like creationists do, but I do believe it was created by a higher power.

Everything is open to interpretation when it comes to the Bible since only bits and pieces of it have been found and the original Greek and Hebrew have been misconstrued many times.

Anyway that's my two cents. My dad has a Ph.D. in religious studies... I get my cynicism from him when it comes to certain things having to do with religion. Such as the way people act in the "name of God". I find it very hard to be bisexual and a Christian in my church (even though none of them know). I walked out of many a sermon because it pissed me off so much. Our pastoral staff has finally come around to seeing how wrong they were in a lot of the things they used to say. It makes me have hope but it still stings to know how they used to feel, and probably still do, they are just trying to go with the times and learn acceptance.


And being gay is not a choice. Neither is being bisexual.



I actually have something that's really bothering me though, to stay on topic. My best friend recently told me to **** off. Without much of an explanation. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with his new gf (who probably told him she wouldn't **** him if he kept talking to me). I just maybe expected a little bit more loyalty to me since whenever he would ask "What happens if you date some guy who's not cool with us being friends" and my response was "Then we don't date". I don't know WHY I expected this same loyalty from him, but I did and it REALLY sucked when he just up and told me he didn't want to talk to me anymore.
 

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Ladybug, that "works by God days" thing doesn't make sense. It took billions more years for light to be created than it did for humans or animals, if it was working by the Christian Gods day then each length of time would have to be equal.
 

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Ya'know what bothers me?

Religious arguments.

Nobody wins, so don't bother. Believe what you want.
Agreed. Don't mess with people's beliefs, if we all plunge into nothingness after our time on Earth then why not believe what you want. And on the off-chance you were right. Bazinga!
 

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Gah, these 2 noobs on KC:MM (pwnU55 and wii_hack) are so freakin' annoying. They've posted multiple threads, take pictures with their cameras (not in-game ones), and seem to know nothing.
 

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My dog has gone deaf :(

I'd been complaining she's going deaf for the 18 months or so, but my parents didn't think so. The vets found no problems on multiple visits either. I just agreed with everybody else and assumed she was getting dumber instead (what a stupid thought).

It turns out she had an ear infection and her hearing is permanently lost now.
 

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My dog has gone deaf :(

I'd been complaining she's going deaf for the 18 months or so, but my parents didn't think so. The vets found no problems on multiple visits either. I just agreed with everybody else and assumed she was getting dumber instead (what a stupid thought).

It turns out she had an ear infection and her hearing is permanently lost now.
That isn't worth... euthanising it, is it? My aunt used to have one of the friendliest dogs I've ever met, and then one day it just vanished. When I asked why, I found out his leg had been infected with something, so they decided to pass him on instead of amputating it and letting him spend the rest of his life in pain.

I've got my own dog now. English Cocker Spaniel. I dread the day when he grows too old as well. :(
 

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Ha, naa she isn't getting euthanized. She's healthy otherwise and has a good few years to go.

It just sucks. She used to be quite clever and follow basic conversation like ''Let's go outside'' or ''Who's come home?'' or ''Hurry up.'' or ''Stop that.''. Now she just stares at me confused. It's almost like she's waiting for me to say something. I didn't realise how important hearing was for her till now.

She doesn't understand physical commands very well either. If I try to push her, she'll just get in a strop instead of coming lol.

edit: i feel like i should upload a pic :D. Grumpy in the morning:

 

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@ cutter

I may be a bit late with the advice but my advice is not to allow your different perceptions alienate you from your friends. Your change in perspective should not result in them completely cutting you off from their lives. I understand why they may strive to get you to change your mind but at the end of the day they should be respective of your decision.

As far as your grievances with the Bible about evolution, the Bible shouldn't be viewed as a scientific or historically inclined book. Your issues with the pre occupation with wealth and status are well founded and as you pointed out Jesus distanced himself from subjects of political or monetary value.

My advice would be to not concentrate on the failings of others, we could be here all day if we do that lol. If you do seek to continue as a Christian, strive to keep the actions and example of Christ at the centre of your life. If you have any other issues don't hesitate to PM me.

Ya'know what bothers me?

Religious arguments.

Nobody wins, so don't bother. Believe what you want.
This mentality bothers me. Religious issues I feel are worthy of discussion because they do play a major role in the way we live our lives, both those that are religious in nature and those that aren't. People are increasingly happy to avoid religion all together when in reality discussing it should be embraced. Mature discussion does lead to greater understanding.
 

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It's summer. i want to get a job; can't get a job because i have to watch my sister; don't have any money to go places; the car i drive is a piece of **** so i can't go anywhere far either lol. that's what's bothering me at the moment.


@N9NE: there's nothing wrong with discussing religion. I find that it's a very interesting topic, but people catch feelings very quickly. i, personally, have a problem with debating whether it's right or wrong but discussing it's effects as well as its importance is fine by me.
 

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Could someone watch your sister once in a while so you could work?

The issue of whether it's right or wrong is innate to the discussion though, but I understand that sometimes that branch of religious debate can be ultimately futile.
 

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actually, starting today, i have to start dropping off and picking her up everyday from tennis camp. i'd have to find a job with very flexible hours to mold around her schedule. nobody i know can pick her up smh. plus, i've never had a job. it's hard to get a job if you've never had a job lol. it's sad. i'm in college and still haven't had one lol.

^very true. about as futile as making a top ten rappers list.

i dunno. i tend to stray away from it. plus, i consider myself to be pretty uneducated about religion so i prefer to listen versus talking :)
 

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Ha, naa she isn't getting euthanized. She's healthy otherwise and has a good few years to go.

It just sucks. She used to be quite clever and follow basic conversation like ''Let's go outside'' or ''Who's come home?'' or ''Hurry up.'' or ''Stop that.''. Now she just stares at me confused. It's almost like she's waiting for me to say something. I didn't realise how important hearing was for her till now.

She doesn't understand physical commands very well either. If I try to push her, she'll just get in a strop instead of coming lol.

edit: i feel like i should upload a pic :D. Grumpy in the morning:

My girlfriends parent's breed bulldogs. She's pretty cute. How old is she?
 
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